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In article <cttbr3tp6vflh8j154uim3bgkn8e5bpv0c.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
<nospam.DeleteThis@bonwick.me.uk> writes
>On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:27:37 +0000, Phil Launchbury
><phill.DeleteThis@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
>
>snip>
>
>>Source? And you can't be counted as a belligerent until you formally
>>declare war..
>>
>Has war ever been declared over the 2nd Gulf War or the ongoing
>conflict in Afghanistan?

Yes. The Throwback has declared that merkania is At War With Terror and
will conduct that war elsewhere out of preference.


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In article <bcpbr39jgcvrla1rjn2t8qcp4gqbqhm7rl RemoveThis @4ax.com>, John Anderton
<John1_andertonNOSPAMTHANKS RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes

>Without Dowding, yes Fighter Command might have been in trouble.

What was he then one of them blokes who fires the anti aircraft guns?

Unsung heroes them blokes were, no heating in them guns, or weather
protection and you were expected to sit all night in one just in case. I
tell you the intent of the whole nation during those dark times when it
came to keeping supplies coming in from Ceylon was never written in no
history books nor could it ever be.

You are a wanker, you do know that don't you?


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TOG@Toil wrote:

> But some bugger's nicked the paper so I don't have the reference.
> Telegraph, a couple of days ago, and some old Royal Naval pilot who
> attacked the French Fleet in 1940 at Oran. Lined up his Swordfish for
> its torpedo run, and the fish hung up and wouldn't drop. Later
> involved with fighting the Vichy French. Worth a google.


It was from The Times February 11, 2008

Lieutenant Colonel Alan Newson DSO DSC RM

http://tinyurl.com/3475fp

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In article <0ucbr3tcki2qsauoh69d0in0lc8muujvbt.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Grimly
Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE.RemoveThis@REMOVEgmail.com> writes


>
>Why do you think coastal shipping movement round the South and East of
>Britain was done mostly under cover of darkness? So the matelots could
>gaze at the stars and compose poetry? No, because the RN and the
>merchant marine knew the Luftwaffe could bomb them out of the water if
>they got the chance.

Just to add a bit to an interesting discussion.

British ship losses off the East Coast.

YEAR TORPEDO MINE AIRCRAFT
1939 17 61 10
1940 50 73 39
1941 32 18 38
1942 12 14 15
1943 3 8 7
1944 2 3 5
1945 6 4 3

Half and half day and night, though most convoys around the east coast
were at night. This gave rise to additional losses due to collision and
running aground on the sand bars.

Info from Ayer Tikus superb books on wrecks.


I've actually dived on an English ship, then dived on the German sub
that sunk it, then on the RN escort ship that sunk the sub which was
herself sunk by getting into difficulties while in the way of a convoy
at night.
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In article <2tdbr3dqncr5le6pr1jsuhhveb9987s6tg DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Grimly
Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE DeleteThis @REMOVEgmail.com> writes
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Grimly Curmudgeon
><grimly4REMOVE DeleteThis @REMOVEgmail.com> saying something like:
>
>> Multiply that by ten, say. Not too
>>long before the Channel .
>is littered with the hulks of once-proud battleships.


Over 3000 recorded wrecks from North Foreland to the IOW.
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On 15 Feb, 09:13, John Anderton <john1_ander....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
> > > Nope. Nice link but wrong. The 1935/6/7 neutrality acts were amended
> > > in 1939 (Nov 4th) to allow belligerents to buy arms, *not* 1938.
>
> > And the UK was *not* a belligerent until 1939,
>
> That's not what the UK government thought at the time. They were
> expecting to be a belligerent imminently from late 1937 onwards so
> there was no point in ordering (and paying for) arms that weren't
> going to be delivered.
>
> >so it *was* allowed to
> > buy arms before then.
>
> Technically, yes but in reality, no.
>
Oh, nice swerve. So first you present a piece of erroneous history.
That's shot down and you pooh-pooh the shooting down. More information
is shown you to prove that you were, indeed, talking bollocks. And
still you don't acknowledge your mistake, but try another tack.

OK, genius. Spitfires and Hurricanes, well before the war, were armed
with Browning machine-guns. Now, who owned Browning? Oh yes: the US!
OK, so the guns were made under licence, but what's the difference?
The UK was buying US kit. I'm sure I could find other examples, but
frankly, you aren't worth the effort.
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On 15 Feb, 13:15, Phil Launchbury <ph....RemoveThis@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <1c761da9-a9c8-45d4-94f0-4e5b2a599....RemoveThis@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, John Anderton wrote:
> > On Feb 15, 9:47 am, Phil Launchbury <ph....RemoveThis@launchbury.org.uk> wrote:
> >> In article <1icc66s.t5b1im1ecybiwN%totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk>, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >> > John Anderton <john1_ander....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > have one of those in 1940. Second you have to hit said destroyer which
> > is manoeuvring at 30 kts which is not easy.
>
> Stukas were able to target stuff moving a lot faster than that on
> roads..

And they (and other Luftwaffe bombers) managed to sink a lot of ships
elsewhere. Think JU88, think Condor. Anderton's talking bollocks.
>
<snip>
>
> > The British tanks were roughly on a par with the Germans in terms of
> > the material but lacking in terms of organisation and tactics.
>
> Rubbish. The best tank that the British had (and the only one capable
> of survivin

Indeed. The man's an idiot.
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On 15 Feb, 15:58, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:41:00 -0800 (PST), John Anderton
>
> <john1_ander... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snippety snip>
>
> I must say I'm enjoying this bout, chaps.  Despite Grimly, TOG and
> Phil tag-teaming, you seem to be able to cope with everything throw at
> you, and give better than you get.  As an utter ignoramus in the
> subject at hand, you seem to have the more convincing argument.


I've been offline for some time

See my latest comments to his assertions that the US refused to sell
arms to the UK. His position has been destroyed. For the rest, I'm
deliberately not participating because there are errors on both sides.
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>
>
>
> >Dowding himself was fearful that if the pressure kept up for another
> >fortnight, the RAF would be buggered.
>
> Nope, Fighter Command would have withdrawn north with 75% of it's
> strength. that's not "buggered", that's "in trouble" at worst.
>
>
It is "buggered" if you are trying to defend invasion areas, because
your radius of operation and fighting time is severely reduced. Same
problem as the Luftwaffe fighters had when trying to fight over
London.

You make some good points, but you make as many mistakes as Grimly.
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On 16 Feb, 10:34, "Kevin Lambert" <kjlamb....RemoveThis@btnospam.com> wrote:
> TOG@Toil wrote:
> > But some bugger's nicked the paper so I don't have the reference.
> > Telegraph, a couple of days ago, and some old Royal Naval pilot who
> > attacked the French Fleet in 1940 at Oran. Lined up his Swordfish for
> > its torpedo run, and the fish hung up and wouldn't drop. Later
> > involved with fighting the Vichy French. Worth a google.
>
> It was from The Times February 11, 2008
>
> Lieutenant Colonel Alan Newson DSO DSC RM
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3475fp
>
Thanks. Wrong paper! My bad.
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On 17 Feb, 21:04, Ace <see....DeleteThis@ifrance.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:56:22 -0800 (PST), in
> <170fc092-2cfc-46c5-8e35-ea16ff851....DeleteThis@o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail....DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >On 15 Feb, 15:58, Champ <n....DeleteThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:41:00 -0800 (PST), John Anderton
>
> >> <john1_ander....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> <snippety snip>
>
> >> I must say I'm enjoying this bout, chaps.  Despite Grimly, TOG and
> >> Phil tag-teaming, you seem to be able to cope with everything throw at
> >> you, and give better than you get.  As an utter ignoramus in the
> >> subject at hand, you seem to have the more convincing argument.
>
> >I've been offline for some time
>
> Me too, so thanks for posting to bring this to my notice. Seems like a
> nice thread to watch.

Indeed. After my visit to Bletchley Park this week I find it
particularly interesting.
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:56:22 -0800 (PST), in
<170fc092-2cfc-46c5-8e35-ea16ff851d7c DeleteThis @o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15 Feb, 15:58, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:41:00 -0800 (PST), John Anderton
>>
>> <john1_ander... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snippety snip>
>>
>> I must say I'm enjoying this bout, chaps.  Despite Grimly, TOG and
>> Phil tag-teaming, you seem to be able to cope with everything throw at
>> you, and give better than you get.  As an utter ignoramus in the
>> subject at hand, you seem to have the more convincing argument.
>
>
>I've been offline for some time

Me too, so thanks for posting to bring this to my notice. Seems like a
nice thread to watch.

>
>See my latest comments to his assertions that the US refused to sell
>arms to the UK. His position has been destroyed. For the rest, I'm
>deliberately not participating because there are errors on both sides.

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"TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> On 15 Feb, 15:58, Champ <n....RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:41:00 -0800 (PST), John Anderton
>>
>> <john1_ander....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snippety snip>
>>
>> I must say I'm enjoying this bout, chaps.  Despite Grimly, TOG and
>> Phil tag-teaming, you seem to be able to cope with everything throw at
>> you, and give better than you get.  As an utter ignoramus in the
>> subject at hand, you seem to have the more convincing argument.
>
>
> I've been offline for some time

Handbrake didn't hold then?

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