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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:49 am
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In article <CRmdnalyC_6_uZmiRTvUqw DeleteThis @giganews.com>, gp42gpw DeleteThis @yahoo.com
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 > If you ever had the misfortune of hitting the pavement you will
 > realize that not wearing a helmet may be fatal. If you don't wear a
 > helmet and fall I don't want to pay to have you hooked up to a machine
 > to keep you alive so I guess if you sign some type of waver that
 > prevents you from collecting government funds from everyone else I will
 > agree.
 > Hey this is just my opinion.


Ahead of time, I always wear a helmet even though I mostly ride in areas
that are freedom of choice, my choice is a helmet. That said...

If you ever had the misfortune of hitting the pavement you will realize
that even while wearing a helmet it may be fatal. Just by getting on a
motorcycle you have made a safety choice with which the majority of the
population does not agree. Risk is a choice, you made one most people
would not agree with when you decided on a bike instead of a volvo.
Others make one you don't agree with when they go sans helmet. It's
choice.

As far as the argument that others freedom of choice will result in
higher bills for you, statistics do not back that. States currently
without helmet laws do not show increased fatalities or medical costs
over states currently with mandatory helmet laws. Being pro law to
force helmets is no different than being pro law to force no bikes.
Both would be based upon the misguided opinion that it's not acceptable
to allow anyone else to take risks the majority would not take because
it might cost them extra money.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:11 pm
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"Robkamel" <dwarner1.RemoveThis@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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 > Whew........that was one long leap in logic. LOL The ability to drive (or
 > ride in this case) is a priviledge, not a right.

How often one hears this trite expression. Herd mentality. Actually it is a
conditional right. Which means that *everyone* has the right to do so if
certain criterion are met. A priviledge is something that may be granted at
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:17 pm
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"Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the age of
21"
[..]

in America ? of course it should...

only stupid punts don't wear a helmet and the less of them there are the
better the world will be (c;

LJ
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:38 am
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 >
 > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
 >
 > Vote Yes!!!
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:56 am
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In article <3b515a4e.0307021528.2f1ffa72.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>,
cayla1969.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Cayla) wrote:

 >Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the age of 21
 >
 >Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
 >
 >Vote Yes!!!
 >
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It should ALWAYS be freedom of choice! God, guns, and helmets.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 1:06 am
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In article <E73Na.379977$Vi5.9597206@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>,
""KATO"" <URBANWARRIOR.TakeThisOut@shaw.ca> wrote:

 > "Cayla" <cayla1969.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:3b515a4e.0307021528.2f1ffa72@posting.google.com...
  > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the age of
 > 21
  > >
  > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
  > >
  > > Vote Yes!!!
  > >
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No, don't. These are horrid.

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:56 am
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"Joe727" <somewhere RemoveThis @theweb.com> wrote in message
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"RedDevil" <reddevil@cox(nospam).net> wrote in message
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 > "Robkamel" <dwarner1 RemoveThis @rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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  > > I'll vote yes when all those who don't want to wear helmets agree to
sign
 > a
  > > waiver that states they're ineligible for any government paid disability
 > by
  > > doing so.
  > >
  > >
 > I'm all for let the rider decide. Just don't raise my medical insurance
to
 > pay for all the veggies that are in the hospital on life support. During
my
 > motorcyle safety course, I have two words that describe those that choose
 > not to wear helmets - "organ donors". I firmly believe in helmets because
 > one saved my life when a cage broadsided me. So I would wear one based on
 > personal beliefs and experience even if it wasn't mandated by law in
 > Virginia.
 >

What about the drunk drivers in cages and the pain and suffering they cause?
They are the greater menace.

BTW - do you also wear a full one piece leather riding suit?

No, I don't wear a one piece riding suit, but I do wear a perforated leather
jacket and chaps in the summer and a heavier leather jacket in the spring,
winter and fall.

Red

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 6:37 am
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In article <nospam-EE9459.23560303072003.DeleteThis@enews.newsguy.com>,
Klowmhundur <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:

 > It should ALWAYS be freedom of choice! God, guns, and helmets.

GodS

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:04 am
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G wrote...
 > If you don't wear a helmet and fall I don't want
 > to pay to have you hooked up to a machine to keep
 > you alive

How about when I have a heart attack from eating too
much red meat? Want to ban McDonalds too?

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:28 am
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In article <be35d5$6o3$0@216.39.144.187>,
Jordon <ilovemyroadking.DeleteThis@samiamnot.com> wrote:

 > G wrote...
  > > If you don't wear a helmet and fall I don't want
  > > to pay to have you hooked up to a machine to keep
  > > you alive
 >
 > How about when I have a heart attack from eating too
 > much red meat? Want to ban McDonalds too?

Hell. You're right.

Next, they'll want to regulate the spacing of two-by-fours in any hourse
you build, or stupid stuff like the slope of the drain from the upstairs
toilet or the thickness of electrical wiring to the plugs. Do you really
want the government in your bed room like that? Hell ... it's bad enough
that the government requires hotel builders to install fire suppression
systems, and factory contructors to install enough emergency exits! What
are they thinking, with all this unwarranted intrusion in our lives?

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:16 pm
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: G wrote...
: > If you don't wear a helmet and fall I don't want
: > to pay to have you hooked up to a machine to keep
: > you alive
:

Why would you? You think your tax dollars would
ever make it to my hospital bill? I, for one, don't see
how. I also don't see how you'd pay for my injuries
when they were actually caused by the helmet.

Finally, don't see why anyone should regulate my
safety - and in this case - especially when they are wrong.

Dave
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:49 pm
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In article <cmdNa.25150$C83.2333217@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"David Ward" <dsward1 RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

 > : G wrote...
 > : > If you don't wear a helmet and fall I don't want
 > : > to pay to have you hooked up to a machine to keep
 > : > you alive
 > :
 >
 > Why would you? You think your tax dollars would
 > ever make it to my hospital bill? I, for one, don't see
 > how. I also don't see how you'd pay for my injuries
 > when they were actually caused by the helmet.

If you live in the same state, they would. And what injuries are you
talking about being caused by a helmet? Do you think that helmets cause
more injuries than they prevent?

 > Finally, don't see why anyone should regulate my
 > safety -

If it's that important, then I'd like to see you whine and holler about
building codes.


 > and in this case - especially when they are wrong.

Ah! Proof by assertion.

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:39 pm
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I love threads like this, because you tell half the story.

Most of those riders who demand the "freedom" don't have medical insurance.
So guess who gets stuck with the bill?

Yup, Joe Taxpayer.

Force them to have insurance first, or let their insurer know they ride w/o
a helmet.

Of all places, Kentucky has the right idea.


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 > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the age of
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 >
 > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
 >
 > Vote Yes!!!
 >
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:26 pm
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If my state requires (which they do) me to wear a helmet, then, by proxy,
they SHOULD be liable for any consequences of their (the state's) law. But
they're not! When they (the state) are ready to print a list of "approved"
helmets, (which they haven't) and then accept the risk of those injuries
that are caused by me wearing the helmet, then yea, mandatory helmets.

But the state isn't ready to accept that responsibility, so in my opinion,
then NO.

We motorcycle enthusiasts all should be allowed to make an educated decision
for ourselves if I have to reap the consequences of my choice. And BTW;
having health insurance doesn't let the state of the hook. There's always a
ceiling per occurrence, (in most cases that's usually 1 mil) and once that
ceiling is met, then the state (and me or my family) pays. So for those
zealots that claim 'helmets save tax dollars' that isn't necessarily so. In
fact, the state probably spends a considerable amount of $$ on fighting
those helmet citations that are fought in our court system. And for those
zealots who think having health insurance will cover it, are sadly mistaken
as well.

As for the state wanting to save $$, if they're (the state) wanting not to
'flip the bill' for those in need, then stop paying the taxes. I don't mind
paying taxes when I know the $$ might go to some good. But (and usually it
does) when it goes to paying for some FAT LEGISLATOR who sits around making
stupid laws that only cost us more.... then I have a problem with that!
Like tripling our vehicle license fees because our government made bad
choices. Here's an idea, lets cut the Legislator's, Senators, and
Governor's pay for not doing the job they should be doing? That'll save a
whole lot more $$ than putting skid lids on some unsuspecting motorist who
now feels they're safe as a baby - when they're not!

To the rider who makes building codes a comparison to riding; those
choices that I make, that effect me are those choices that I should be
allowed to make in a free state. But those choices which ultimately would
effect someone else (particularly someone who is under the belief they are
safe) are those (choices) that are controlled. So running red lights,
driving drunk, building's with less than safe construction all affect others
and need constraint.

To the rider who feels that eating red meat is a problem, then he / she
shouldn't be a carnivore. Be a vegetarian. It's your choice. It's really
the 'fat' content that makes meats and foods 'taste' good. And to that, if
you have a heart attack, who's the one suffering? The state? I don't think
so. They are painful if you've ever had one, not to mention the uneasy
frightening feeling of dying.

To the rider who thinks riding is a 'privilege.' I bought the damn thing, I
should be able to ride it. Don't you think? If its on private land or
public land, either way I paid for it. The only time I think something is a
'privilege' is when I don't have a right, or can't afford the right to it,
and someone gives me the opportunity to try it, then it's a privilege. Like
knowing someone could be a privilege. They're giving you the opportunity,
but you don't have the right to know them. Or riding on someone's private
land (ranch), that could be a privilege. You don't have the right unless
the owner decides to let you on. But public lands, public 'rights of way'
or public roads, different story. I paid for them, I should be able to use
them. Don't you think?
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 > I love threads like this, because you tell half the story.
 >
 > Most of those riders who demand the "freedom" don't have medical
insurance.
 > So guess who gets stuck with the bill?
 >
 > Yup, Joe Taxpayer.
 >
 > Force them to have insurance first, or let their insurer know they ride
w/o
 > a helmet.
 >
 > Of all places, Kentucky has the right idea.
 >
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 > "Cayla" <cayla1969.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the age
of
 > 21
  > >
  > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
  > >
  > > Vote Yes!!!
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:18 am
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I imagine the number of people who smoke cigarettes who do not have =
medical insurance vastly outnumbers the motorcycle riders who don't wear =
helmets and who do not have medical insurance.

Joe

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 > I love threads like this, because you tell half the story.
 >=20
 > Most of those riders who demand the "freedom" don't have medical =
insurance.
 > So guess who gets stuck with the bill?
 >=20
 > Yup, Joe Taxpayer.
 >=20
 > Force them to have insurance first, or let their insurer know they =
ride w/o
 > a helmet.
 >=20
 > Of all places, Kentucky has the right idea.
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  > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle riders? OVER the =
age of
 > 21
  > >
  > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
  > >
  > > Vote Yes!!!
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