These damn ex-superbike riders...

"Jules" <jules.DeleteThis@jules-removeit.com.au> wrote in message
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 > Bayliss, Hodgson and Edwards... I don't think I can envisage a
 > situation where more was promised and less delivered in a season.
 >
 > I wonder what the story is. The most "successful" recent SBK champion
 > switch to 500gp was John Kocinski, but his results in '99 were about as
 > mediocre as Edwards'.
 >
 > Is SBK just not an appropriate feeder class to MotoGP? Perhaps their
 > ability to choose suspension and tyres is not up to the task?
 >
The only full-time Superbike racer to have gone on to win a motoGP/500 race
was Simon Crafar. (Although 2 Superbike wild-cards have done it)
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He was a good rider crafar.. wasnt him that totalled the OWO1 at
bottom of the hill at The creek one yr.. came out of 3 down hill and
rolled it about 20 times?


 >The only full-time Superbike racer to have gone on to win a motoGP/500 race
 >was Simon Crafar. (Although 2 Superbike wild-cards have done it)
 >Clem
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Jules wrote:
 >
 > Bayliss, Hodgson and Edwards... I don't think I can envisage a
 > situation where more was promised and less delivered in a season.
 >
 > I wonder what the story is. The most "successful" recent SBK champion
 > switch to 500gp was John Kocinski, but his results in '99 were about as
 > mediocre as Edwards'.

On his first tour of duty in Grand Prix he promised much and almost
delivered. Another big mouthed Texan, riding the Cagiva from memory (Didn't
he win the Aussie GP one year?). When he started GP racing he said if you
hadn't won the championship after a few years you should move on... as I
remember it he didn't get to make the choice on his own in that instance....
but there are a few riders riding Motogp now who could take heed *not
mentioning Kenny Roberts Jnr or anyone in particular*.

Speaking of the correct way to run in a bike, didn't Kocinski get a podium
finish, then fail to make it to the podium because on the other side of the
circuit in the cooldown lap he pulled in the clutch and opened the throttle
right up and then revved the bastard till it shat itself. .. pissed off the
bike not having the balls to win or something... didn't he get sacked from
Cagiva right after that?

Nev..
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 >When he started GP racing he said if you hadn't won the championship after a few years you should move on...

If we went by this rule, 99% of the field would be changed each yr...
Which I think should happen this yr, there are so many people out
there that have had their chance... Not to mention Roberts either, but
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:13:14 +1000, Jules wrote:

 > Bayliss, Hodgson and Edwards... I don't think I can envisage a
 > situation where more was promised and less delivered in a season.
 >
 > I wonder what the story is. The most "successful" recent SBK champion
 > switch to 500gp was John Kocinski, but his results in '99 were about as
 > mediocre as Edwards'.
 >
 > Is SBK just not an appropriate feeder class to MotoGP? Perhaps their
 > ability to choose suspension and tyres is not up to the task?
 >

One day you will discover women, and all this will seem like a drop in
the ocean, grasshopper.

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Sayeth sanbar <sandbar.TakeThisOut@nospam.ozemail.com.au>:
 > On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:13:14 +1000, Jules wrote:
  > >
  > > Bayliss, Hodgson and Edwards... I don't think I can envisage a
  > > situation where more was promised and less delivered in a season.
 >
 > One day you will discover women, and all this will seem like a drop in
 > the ocean, grasshopper.

I thought Jules had already discovered women ...
or is that the other other Jules?

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:13:14 GMT, Jules <jules.RemoveThis@jules-removeit.com.au> wrote:

 >Bayliss, Hodgson and Edwards... I don't think I can envisage a
 >situation where more was promised and less delivered in a season.
 >
 >I wonder what the story is. The most "successful" recent SBK champion
 >switch to 500gp was John Kocinski, but his results in '99 were about as
 >mediocre as Edwards'.
 >
 >Is SBK just not an appropriate feeder class to MotoGP? Perhaps their
 >ability to choose suspension and tyres is not up to the task?

Well Bayliss is doing as well (or not) as Capirossi, so the problem is more that
useless Ducati (hahaha) than it is Bayliss. And correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm
not).. one Mr M.Doohan showed his mettle in the 1988 World Superbike
Championship (at least the Aussie rounds). And Kocinski rode GPs for years
before he switched to SBK and then later, back

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"sanbar" <sandbar.RemoveThis@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote
 >
 > One day you will discover women, and all this will seem like a drop in
 > the ocean, grasshopper.
 >
 > - sanbar

And then one day he'll get married and have children, then all this will be the most important thing
in the world as an escape.

--
Dale Porter
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 > When he started GP racing he said if you
 > hadn't won the championship after a few years you should move on

*not
 > mentioning Kenny Roberts Jnr or anyone in particular*.


Errmm.. Kenny winning it in 2000 not enough for ya? Was only 4 years ago.


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 > Well Bayliss is doing as well (or not) as Capirossi, so the problem is more that
 > useless Ducati (hahaha) than it is Bayliss. And correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm
 > not).. one Mr M.Doohan showed his mettle in the 1988 World Superbike
 > Championship (at least the Aussie rounds). And Kocinski rode GPs for years
 > before he switched to SBK and then later, back
 >
 > paulh

I don't think Bayliss is doing well at all. He has finished a total of
4 races (from 10) this season. Last year he was the no 1 crasher wasn't he?

Capirossi is doing far better, as evidenced on Sunday by still finishing
ahead of Bayliss despite nearly being knocked off by Biaggi and finding
himself in p20 at the end of lap 1!

That was all the proof I needed that Bayliss just isn't cutting it and I
have little doubt he will be dropped next year.

Yes I'm bitter because I've cheered for him too much and am sick of the
bloody disappointment

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"Jules" <jules.TakeThisOut@site-getridofit-point.com> wrote in message
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 >
  > > When he started GP racing he said if you
  > > hadn't won the championship after a few years you should move on
 >
 > *not
  > > mentioning Kenny Roberts Jnr or anyone in particular*.
 >
 >
 > Errmm.. Kenny winning it in 2000 not enough for ya? Was only 4 years
ago.

He *just* got home 1st. Rossi could have won first year if he was a little
more serious like he is now...

CDIHL

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"Jules" <jules.DeleteThis@site-getridofit-point.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > I don't think Bayliss is doing well at all. He has finished a total of
 > 4 races (from 10) this season. Last year he was the no 1 crasher wasn't
he?

No, Bayliss is not doing all that well either is the bike he is riding or
any body else really

 >
 > Capirossi is doing far better, as evidenced on Sunday by still finishing
 > ahead of Bayliss despite nearly being knocked off by Biaggi and finding
 > himself in p20 at the end of lap 1!

Capa is a better rider than Bayliss in the GP's, he could have been on the
podium if Max didnt ram him [a win looked unlikely though] i still believe
Capa will win 1 race this year

 >
 > That was all the proof I needed that Bayliss just isn't cutting it and I
 > have little doubt he will be dropped next year.

He may have to head back to SBK the current 2 factory riders are USELESS

 >
 > Yes I'm bitter because I've cheered for him too much and am sick of the
 > bloody disappointment

Me too, just shows how much fastrer the GP riders are v SBK riders

CDIHL

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 > Me too, just shows how much fastrer the GP riders are v SBK riders

Annoying, because Vermuelen will be hopping on the HRC factory bike soon
(the BEST bike and you KNOW it), will probably do well in the tests and
score a Honda ride of some sort.

Then he may well disappoint in race situations just like all the other
ex-SBK guys.

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