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Steven Baker

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:37 pm
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Hey people, I hope I can get some feedback on this. I have an opportunity
to buy either a ST2 with 700miles stock, or a ST4 with 6500 miles and a few
upgrades like a fancy carbon exhaust/carbon fiber rear fender and carbon
fiber chain cover.

both bikes are 2002 and the st4 is asking $500 more then the st2 , so the
money is not really the issue. Im not dying for the additional ponies
because I consider myself a docile rider, I almost prefer a bike totally
stock (refering the the extras on the st4).

The St2 is at a Kawasaki shop, so they know nothing about these bikes except
they say that it was owned by a guy who really didnt use it and has the
money to buy and sell these toys. It looks very clean. I partly wonder if
it could be a lemon and they are just dumping it and telling me he just
doesnt want it anymore.

The st4 is at a ducati dealer who seems very into these bikes. The story is
that the st4 was owned by a 55 year old airline pilot, and he traded it for
somehting else. They claim it has the 6000mile maintenence done already.

Thats the delemma. I cant think of any other distinguishing issues here,
maby the tires on the st4 will need to be replace soon, but thats not a big
deal really. I guess im wondering if a st2 2002 with 700 miles is an
unbeleavable find or if the st4 is that much better a bike.

Ps. I know the specs of both and I know the performance of the st4 is
superior, but perfomance aside ( after all, I ride a harley electra glide
now) can u guys give me some good advice here , im stumped.

Steve in NY

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:01 pm
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:37:41 -0500, "Steven Baker"
<steveb.RemoveThis@lyndabaker.com> wrote:

 >Hey people, I hope I can get some feedback on this. I have an opportunity
 >to buy either a ST2 with 700miles stock, or a ST4 with 6500 miles and a few
 >upgrades like a fancy carbon exhaust/carbon fiber rear fender and carbon
 >fiber chain cover.
 >
 >both bikes are 2002 and the st4 is asking $500 more then the st2 , so the
 >money is not really the issue. Im not dying for the additional ponies
 >because I consider myself a docile rider, I almost prefer a bike totally
 >stock (refering the the extras on the st4).
 >
 >The St2 is at a Kawasaki shop, so they know nothing about these bikes except
 >they say that it was owned by a guy who really didnt use it and has the
 >money to buy and sell these toys. It looks very clean. I partly wonder if
 >it could be a lemon and they are just dumping it and telling me he just
 >doesnt want it anymore.
 >
 >The st4 is at a ducati dealer who seems very into these bikes. The story is
 >that the st4 was owned by a 55 year old airline pilot, and he traded it for
 >somehting else. They claim it has the 6000mile maintenence done already.
 >
 >Thats the delemma. I cant think of any other distinguishing issues here,
 >maby the tires on the st4 will need to be replace soon, but thats not a big
 >deal really. I guess im wondering if a st2 2002 with 700 miles is an
 >unbeleavable find or if the st4 is that much better a bike.
 >
 >Ps. I know the specs of both and I know the performance of the st4 is
 >superior, but perfomance aside ( after all, I ride a harley electra glide
 >now) can u guys give me some good advice here , im stumped.
 >
 >Steve in NY
 >

Steve,

I've got a 1998 ST2, and love it. You'll never want for power,
regardless of which bike you choose. If the prices are the same, and
you prefer the stock bits to the aftermarket bits, I'd go with the
ST2. Get a test ride if you can to see if there's anything obviously
wrong with it.

The ST2 engine puts off less heat than the ST4 engine, which might
make it more comfortable to ride, and the maintenance will be
significantly cheaper, since there are only half as many valves to
check/adjust, and the valves are easier to get to on the 2-valve
models compared to the 4-valvers.

Hope this helps,

--
Scott Gardner

"It's easy to get a Friday off when you're unemployed."<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 pm
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"Steven Baker" <steveb RemoveThis @lyndabaker.com> wrote in message
news:dpJ2e.12224$ct.207@fe10.lga...
 > Hey people, I hope I can get some feedback on this. I have an opportunity
 > to buy either a ST2 with 700miles stock, or a ST4 with 6500 miles and a
 > few upgrades like a fancy carbon exhaust/carbon fiber rear fender and
 > carbon fiber chain cover.
 >
 > both bikes are 2002 and the st4 is asking $500 more then the st2 , so the
 > money is not really the issue. Im not dying for the additional ponies
 > because I consider myself a docile rider, I almost prefer a bike totally
 > stock (refering the the extras on the st4).
 >
 > The St2 is at a Kawasaki shop, so they know nothing about these bikes
 > except they say that it was owned by a guy who really didnt use it and has
 > the money to buy and sell these toys. It looks very clean. I partly
 > wonder if it could be a lemon and they are just dumping it and telling me
 > he just doesnt want it anymore.
 >
 > The st4 is at a ducati dealer who seems very into these bikes. The story
 > is that the st4 was owned by a 55 year old airline pilot, and he traded it
 > for somehting else. They claim it has the 6000mile maintenence done
 > already.
 >
 > Thats the delemma. I cant think of any other distinguishing issues here,
 > maby the tires on the st4 will need to be replace soon, but thats not a
 > big deal really. I guess im wondering if a st2 2002 with 700 miles is an
 > unbeleavable find or if the st4 is that much better a bike.
 >
 > Ps. I know the specs of both and I know the performance of the st4 is
 > superior, but perfomance aside ( after all, I ride a harley electra glide
 > now) can u guys give me some good advice here , im stumped.
 >
 > Steve in NY
 >
 >

I've owned a '97 ST2 and a 2001 ST4s. My ST2 was from a Yamaha dealer and
looked very clean, although it had done 16,000 miles. (sound familair?). I
had nothing but trouble with that bike and it turned out it had been ridden
through years of the winter salt that we have here and wheel bearings,
sterring head bearings, calipers, electrics were corroded and jsut "clean on
the surface". The dealer was also not a Ducati specialist, and really only a
"Yahama oil changer". I know the one you are looking at only has 7090 miles
so if the condition is good then that is fine.

Regards a comparison ... the ST2 is brilliant as a relaxed sport tourer. I
commuted on it daily (once it was sorted) and also took it to Scotland which
was about 400 miles, when I traded it for the ST4s. I would say that if you
like a lazy riding style, meaning bags of low-midrange torque then this is a
good bike. 2 valve models are also cheaper on servicing. The difference is
not huge though but there is about a 20% saving on the cost of servicing a 2
valver. (I think). The ST4 is also a very good machine (mine was ST4s which
is a different animal), having the 916 motor. The ST4s, which has same
chassis setup and riding position, I took on a 2,500 miles tour of France
over 10 days and loved every minute of it.

Paul who posts on here has had both ST2 and currently has an ST4 which he
uses for distance riding and also on track days is very happy with it. No
doubt he will be along to comment when he has finished moving house and gets
back online .... Paul?

Cheers
Henry<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 pm
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thanks for the input Henry, Just to be sure I was clear, the st2 has 700
miles and the st4 has 6500 miles and both are 2001 models
Steve
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 pm
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both are 2002 models!!!!

Steve
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:35 pm
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Still here! (for tonight anyhow in an empty front room)

My ST2 was my first Ducati. I swapped it after 12 months for the ST4 which
I have now had for 2 years (the reason I swapped was because the ST2 had
warped disks and it was silver, the ST4 was red!!). The ST4 felt much more
powerful but that might be because it has cored cans on it and sounds very
loud.

Apart from the engine the bikes are identical.

The big plus point for the 2 over the 4 is maintenance costs as others have
said. Belts are £30 against £65, twice as many valves to check/adjust etc
but the main problems is the well documented history of failed rockers on
the four valve engines. Mine needed 3 new ones at £85 each and I know at
least two other owners who have replaced eight or more each. One guy got a
spare pair of heads because it worked out cheaper that way. Typically you
can expect to replace a couple at each service. However, the only way to
check for rocker wear is to take the cams out. This doesn't form part of
the Ducati service schedule so a bike may well have a full ducati service
history then you start finding chrome flakes in the oil strainer. By then
the rockers have damaged the cam shafts which will also need replacing. A
good independent service person will take the cams out and check the rockers
on each service which should catch any problems before the cams are damaged.

I love my ST4 but the running costs are bad news.

What you need is an ST4 with the 999 testastretta engine in! That would be
awesome.


Still thinking about Mallory Henry!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:55 am
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"Paul" <df.RemoveThis@g.com> wrote in message news:d2hmtv$356$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
 > Still here! (for tonight anyhow in an empty front room)
 > What you need is an ST4 with the 999 testastretta engine in! That would
 > be awesome.
 >
 > Still thinking about Mallory Henry!

I am. Just waiting for you to say ay or nay! I'll book your place for you if
you want to save you the hassle. Smile

Henry<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:56 am
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"Paul" <df RemoveThis @g.com> wrote in message news:d2hmtv$356$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
 > Still here! (for tonight anyhow in an empty front room)

 > Still thinking about Mallory Henry!

Ooops! Just realised that was a statement that YOU were still thinking, not
a question to me! Smile<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:32 am
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back to the problem guys, your off topic!!!!
Im no closer to my decision. I think im going to take the st2 for a ride!
if its smooth and trouble free ill go for it.

steve
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 > "Paul" <df.TakeThisOut@g.com> wrote in message
 > news:d2hmtv$356$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
  >> Still here! (for tonight anyhow in an empty front room)
 >
  >> Still thinking about Mallory Henry!
 >
 > Ooops! Just realised that was a statement that YOU were still thinking,
 > not a question to me! Smile
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:26 pm
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got the ST2 and my friend ended up getting the st4 is was eyeing!

Both very happy!!
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