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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:56 pm
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So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this photo
taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown author
screenname OSJ )

http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg

and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour? Do you really NEED all that
stuff? Does it matter? Will it make the trip better, faster, more fuel
efficient? Do you have more fun? Do you see more?

Back when I started weeklong backpacking at age 12, my youthful 125 pound
frame carried a 40 pound pack, food and cooking utensils, a tent and
sleeping bag, extra clothes and raingear, pretzels and crackers and peanut
butter, knives and matches and a book. By the time I was 18 my now 140 pound
frame carried 15 pounds, the tent was gone, the food was minimal on the
grounds that being a little hungry wasn't bad for the soul, replacement
clothes were unneeded, that a swiss army knife was fine versus some huge
army surplus pig sticker, and on and on.

So as I started fooling around with motorcycle traveling last year, I first
used a full set of hard luggage, and filled it all up for a 4 day trip. This
summer, for 3 days, I packed like this.

http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/s10.JPG

See that black bag bungeed at the back? Its about 1/2 - 3/4's full of tools.
In some cases duplicate tools, I am a lousy packer when it comes to
forecasting my most likely needs for something on the bike not working. The
small tankbag contained most of the valuables, like camera and wallet and
batteries and GPS and such. The blue bag bungeed to the back contains a
rainsuit, extra shoes, one complete change of clothes.

I'm thinking that for any upcoming trips, the black bag will be a decent
amount smaller, and I should be able to stretch this particular travel
package to a week, if I want to. For this summer I'm thinking I add some
small, soft saddlebags, and throw any gear on the passenger seat into a new
waterproof kayak type bag. That should give me the required backrest, as
well as adding some waterproof capability on the back I don't currently
have.

I should mention that I acquired a new Gixxer shock on ebay which should fit
the 1100, which means I'm down to a seat and some case guards/highway pegs
before this particular experiment is complete. To determine how well it
works, I will of course need another cross country trip somewhere, some
time. My summer schedule with the wife and kids is already shaping up, and
there doesn't look to be as much time as in the past for random cross
country travel this year, on a bike anyway. Maybe a shakedown cruise to try
out the newest carb work to Phoenix, maybe Bryan will come up with an excuse
to have lunch in Rifle again, or better yet an overnighter somewhere farther
up north. Rather than doing a big, multi day trip on main roads, I will
concentrate on smaller, 3-4 day weekend type trips, leave Friday from work
early, come back Sunday late? I've got relatives in Kalispell Montana, which
is a perfect 2 day trip one way.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:14 pm
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> What's that screen looking thing on the side of the engine?
>
> --
> Bob Nixon, RZ-350, Chandler, AZ.

I'm not sure what looks like a screen. I've got some footpeg hangers bolted
on which look kinda weird, and don't work particularly well but are better
than nothing for shifting my butt around on the seat.



>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:34 pm
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
> photo taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown author
> screenname OSJ )
>
> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>

Here is my bike in Moab this year, packed for a 5 day trip:

http://wooten.exit9b.com/moab2007/canyonlands2.jpg

I use Nelson Rigg sportbags and tailpack. For a longer trip I'd like to get
a tankbag.
I have no use for GPS or radios but I'd love to get a video cam for filming
parts of the ride.

I like the clean installation of purpose built luggage and don't really care
for bungee cords.

I don't carry tools beyond the standard tool kit and a small can of chain
lube and a tire plug kit, that I hope I never need to use.

I am considering a 9 day trip to Tenn and the Tail of the Dragon. But
honestly I am not excited about riding across the great plains.

An April ride to AZ would be great fun as would a trip to Montana, the Chief
Joseph Highway in WY thru Yellowstone and on up to Glacier and Highway to
the Sun.

I think I'd rather take several shorter trips than one big one.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:08 pm
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on 12/16/07 2:56 PM, TroytheTroll wrote:

> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>
> and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour? Do you really NEED all that
> stuff? Does it matter? Will it make the trip better, faster, more fuel
> efficient? Do you have more fun? Do you see more?

I know I wouldn't want to travel that way. The only gizmo I have running on
my bike is my radar detector. Well, I guess I also have a 12v accessory
socket (cigarette lighter style) so I can keep my phone charged up in my
tank bag. I installed one of these in my tank bag, so I have minimal
external wiring running outside the bag when my phone is charging:
http://www.powerletproducts.com/products/ptb.php

It plugs into my existing Battery Tender extension lead.

For navigation I use maps and a compass when needed. Most roads themselves
are littered with navigational aids, so unless you're heading into the back
country, anything beyond a map and a decent sense of direction is probably
overkill, although GPS probably does make navigating easier in some
respects.

I have a 40 liter Seal-Line bag that bungees onto the passenger seat, and
that contains my sneakers and/or flip-flops, one pair pants, one pair
shorts, a few t-shirts, a couple long-sleeved warm shirts, socks, etc. plus
extra tools, sleeping bag, Therm-A-Rest sleeping pad, camp pillow, first aid
kit. My flat repair kit is under the passenger seat, always. Even when I'm
just puttering around town on weekends. My tank bag contains camera, water,
snacks, sunglasses, toothbrush, maps, extra ear plugs.

I've gone for as long as 2 weeks with the above set-up. Mostly camping,
occasional cheap hotel for shower, occasional stay with friends for shower
and laundry.

I know people who've just thrown away their dirty t-shirts, socks and
underwear and bought new ones on the road. Every medium sized town will have
a place where you can buy stuff like that. My stuff is made for camping,
hiking, etc so it washes easy and dries fast. I've done my laundry by hand
in a hotel room sink before and dried it overnight hanging over the shower
bar.

The kayaking duffel bag is a great idea. Very useful on and off the bike. I
have this kind (Seal-Line Zip Duffel 40):
http://www.seallinegear.com/all_purpose.asp?Action=ZipDuffle

My girlfriend has one of these (Seattle Sports Navigator Duffel):
http://tinyurl.com/yrwcdo

Mine is constructed for harsher use, but hers is way easier to pack and
unpack, is just as waterproof, and cost a bunch less than mine. I think she
has the medium size. Hers also has nice cargo straps on top for attaching
something like a tent or sleeping pad.

I believe these bags are available for less than MSRP from various
retailers. Look around.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:12 pm
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TroytheTroll wrote:
> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
> photo taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown
> author screenname OSJ )
>
> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>
> and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour?

I see unknown on left, then camera, then GPS then radio. Does he still
have a speedometer or is he using GPS for that?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:12 pm
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>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>>
>> and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour?
>
> I see unknown on left, then camera, then GPS then radio. Does he still
> have a speedometer or is he using GPS for that?
>
> Ian Singer

I can see a speedo and tach in the background I think.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:44 pm
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On Dec 16, 10:02 pm, ~kurt <actinouran... DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> TroytheTroll <f4_... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does it? I'm betting I can ride to Deadhorse Alaska and back, hitting as
> > many scenery points in between as time permits, with nothing more than what
> > I have on my bike for a 4 day ride. I sure don't need all the electronic
> > gizmo's showing up in the picture referenced above.
>
> Some people just like their shiny toys.
>
> - Kurt

I know some riders who have all sorts of farkles on the handlebars,
like a pilot or a truck driver, but on a bike. It can get out of
hand, but power to them if they like to ride interstate and stay
entertained.... It does get excessive, though.

Here's how I'd do it:
3-4 day sport bike trip (with a GPS on the handlebars, radar det. and
mp3 in the tankbag to the helmet via an autocomm), clothes, tools,
raingear and stuff in the OR waterproof stuffsack, bound to the rear
of the Triumph with a bungee net.
http://ljossaelf.smugmug.com/gallery/2827471#226284599-XL-LB
(note my friend's bandit 1250 in the photo, too, with only a tankbag
since he lives local in this photo.)

or

3-4 weeks in Mexico on the Strom in March of '07, nothing beats hard
bags for a long trip for security, dust/weather protection for
clothes, and the convenience.
http://Ljossaelf.smugmug.com/gallery/2835071#151798468-L-LB


For real long highway trips, I'd like to have a CB radio to banter
with truckers, but hardwiring in the antenna system is more complexity
than I want to put on my bike. Fiddling with such things on the move
can be a dangerous distraction, too. I usually get the music and GPS
set up before getting moving - and then just let them do their thing
without futzing with them while riding. It can get tempting on an
interstate drone, but anything that takes attention away from one's
surroundings is more of a liability than a convenience.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:21 pm
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On Dec 16, 5:56 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this photo
> taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown author
> screenname OSJ )
>
> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>
> and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour? Do you really NEED all that
> stuff? Does it matter? Will it make the trip better, faster, more fuel
> efficient? Do you have more fun? Do you see more?

Do you want to listen to XM or Sirius satellite radio when you travel
by motorcycle? If so, is it integrated into your bike radio? DO you
even have a bike radio? If not, you "need" the satellite radio to
satisfy your desire. Do you ride with other people with whom you wish
to be able to converse, or at least talk to when it's time to stop, or
pull over, or look at some specific roadside scent that is not obvious
by pointing at it? Does your bike have a built-in CB radio? If not,
then you need the CB radio or some other communications system, in
order to be able to fulfill that desire. Do you find yourself riding
in strange places, far from home, without detailed maps of the area?
Do you liek to be abe to find fuel, food, or accomodations of a
particular kind when you are touring out of your local community? If
so, you may find a GPS unit handy. Do you liek to post videos of
your favorite roads, or your favorite near-accident with a deer, or
your favorite passes of idiots riding Harleys in large groups holding
up RVs and overladen diesel trucks on straight roads with no hills?
Why then, you might need a video camera to record the moment for
posterity.

Don't want or need to do any of those things? Then don't buy that
equipment and don't attach it to your motorcycle.

There's no law that says you have to.

And even if you don't you can still call yourself a spot touring
motorcyclist. It's a free country.

Just don't try to pass yourself off as a modern one, you luddite!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:49 pm
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TroytheTroll wrote:
> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
> photo taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown
> author screenname OSJ )
>
> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg

Depends on where you're going, how far, and what you are going to do
when you get there.

While I don't ride with quite that many farkles, many of them are nice
to have, especially if you are on a long trip. CB (or in my case, Ham)
radio to keep in contact with others in your group. GPS is nice,
especially when you get off the main roads. I don't use a satellite
radio, though, I use an MP3 player. The video camera I can do without,
but would love to have one occasionally.


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:49 pm
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"Outback Jon" <teammft.TakeThisOut@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net> wrote in message
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> TroytheTroll wrote:
>> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
>> photo taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown
>> author screenname OSJ )
>>
>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>
> Depends on where you're going, how far, and what you are going to do when
> you get there.

Does it? I'm betting I can ride to Deadhorse Alaska and back, hitting as
many scenery points in between as time permits, with nothing more than what
I have on my bike for a 4 day ride. I sure don't need all the electronic
gizmo's showing up in the picture referenced above.


>
> While I don't ride with quite that many farkles, many of them are nice to
> have, especially if you are on a long trip. CB (or in my case, Ham) radio
> to keep in contact with others in your group. GPS is nice, especially
> when you get off the main roads. I don't use a satellite radio, though, I
> use an MP3 player. The video camera I can do without, but would love to
> have one occasionally.

I carry a camera which takes decent video's. And while I agree that well
chosen farkles are occasionally nice to have, do they actually make the trip
better? Safer with a CB or Ham radio, that I understand, but thats safer,
not better. In todays world, cell phones cover most emergency communications
issues, and the communication system already in place on places like the
Dalton Highway work quite well.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:01 am
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>> and I gotta ask, is this really how people tour? Do you really NEED all
>> that
>> stuff? Does it matter? Will it make the trip better, faster, more fuel
>> efficient? Do you have more fun? Do you see more?
>
> Do you want to listen to XM or Sirius satellite radio when you travel
> by motorcycle?

No.

>If so, is it integrated into your bike radio?

What bike radio?

>DO you
> even have a bike radio?

Of course not. What would I want that for?

> If not, you "need" the satellite radio to
> satisfy your desire.

What desire? I didn't realize I had one for radio while riding?


>Do you ride with other people with whom you wish
> to be able to converse, or at least talk to when it's time to stop, or
> pull over, or look at some specific roadside scent that is not obvious
> by pointing at it?

I pretty much don't ride with anyone any more. So I certainly don't need to
talk to them.


> Does your bike have a built-in CB radio? If not,
> then you need the CB radio or some other communications system, in
> order to be able to fulfill that desire.

So....bikers are pretending to be "convoy" buddies now?

10-4 GOOD BUDDY!! WHERES THE RUBBER CHICKEN ??!!!


> Do you find yourself riding
> in strange places, far from home, without detailed maps of the area?

Pretty much. Are you implying we all need them? Why? Am I supposed to be
terrified of this particular scenario? Don't people actually ENJOY going out
and wandering around nowadays without internet access and a radar detector
and 6 buddies to save them from their inability to solve their own problems?


> Do you liek to be abe to find fuel, food, or accomodations of a
> particular kind when you are touring out of your local community?

Sure. I drive until I find them. If I can't find them, I make due with
something else.


> If
> so, you may find a GPS unit handy. Do you liek to post videos of
> your favorite roads, or your favorite near-accident with a deer, or
> your favorite passes of idiots riding Harleys in large groups holding
> up RVs and overladen diesel trucks on straight roads with no hills?

A GPS of some sort I can at least understand, and occasionally carry one
myself, mostly because I like to know where major towns are. But a map would
do just as well. And no, while Hardley idiots are easy to find, I don't take
video's of them, I just come in here and bitch about them. And I certainly
don't need home video's of my ride, although I might make an exception for
trackwork because thats kinda cool.


> Don't want or need to do any of those things? Then don't buy that
> equipment and don't attach it to your motorcycle.

I didn't. I was wondering why other people feel the need to carry their
entire digital world with them while allegedly out "exploring" and
"adventure riding" on a motorcycle, because the idea strikes me as a bit
alien.


>
> There's no law that says you have to.
>

And I didn't say there needed to be one, for or against.


> And even if you don't you can still call yourself a spot touring
> motorcyclist. It's a free country.
>

I figured this out way shortly after I was born. Preaching to the choir on
this one.


> Just don't try to pass yourself off as a modern one, you luddite!

So..the requirement of a modern rider is to have all this junk?
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on 12/16/07 10:21 PM, tomorrow DeleteThis @erols.com wrote:

> Do you want to listen to XM or Sirius satellite radio when you travel
> by motorcycle?

No.

> Do you ride with other people with whom you wish to be able to converse, or at
> least talk to when it's time to stop, or pull over, or look at some specific
> roadside scent that is not obvious by pointing at it?

No.

> Do you find yourself riding in strange places, far from home, without detailed
> maps of the area?

No.

> Do you liek to post videos of your favorite roads, or your favorite
> near-accident with a deer, or your favorite passes of idiots riding Harleys in
> large groups holding up RVs and overladen diesel trucks on straight roads with
> no hills?

No.

> Don't want or need to do any of those things? Then don't buy that
> equipment and don't attach it to your motorcycle.
>
> There's no law that says you have to.
>
Cool.

> And even if you don't you can still call yourself a spot touring
> motorcyclist. It's a free country.
>
> Just don't try to pass yourself off as a modern one, you luddite!
>
Attached to technology = modern?

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"~kurt" <actinouranium RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> TroytheTroll <f4_boy RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
>> photo
>> taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown author
>> screenname OSJ )
>
> All I know is the guy who took this picture:
>
>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>>
>
> Knows how to scale it down for internet consumption vs. the douchebag
> who posted this pic:
>
>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/s10.JPG
>
> - Kurt

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on 12/16/07 10:50 PM, TroytheTroll wrote:

>
> "~kurt" <actinouranium DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> TroytheTroll <f4_boy DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> So...I'm perusing a forum with lots of cool pictures and I snared this
>>> photo
>>> taken by someone of their traveling setup ( credit to unknown author
>>> screenname OSJ )
>>
>> All I know is the guy who took this picture:
>>
>>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/toomuch.jpg
>>>
>>
>> Knows how to scale it down for internet consumption vs. the douchebag
>> who posted this pic:
>>
>>> http://ohiohoopys.com/bikes/s10.JPG
>>
>> - Kurt
>
> ????
>
The first link is a JPEG sized to 800 x 600 pixels. Good for internet usage
because it fills up most of the height and width of your average computer
screen.

The second link, your photo, is 2048 x 1536 pixels. Larger by a good amount
than most computer screens, and 6.5 times the amount of data as the previous
photo, thus requiring 6.5 times as long to download.

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