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Since: Nov 14, 2003 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:40 am
Post subject: How does one tell what size chain his bike takes? Archived from groups: rec>motorcycles>dirt (more info?)
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Hey there!
I'm prolly an idiot but how can I tell what size of chain to get for
my 97 KX250? I haven't changed sprocket size and I looked thru the
manual and it doesn't specify. There seems to be 2 numbers involved:
the first something like 520, 530 or 428, and then have a second
number like 100 or 120. I imagine that they correspond to length and
thickness but how can ya tell which suits your bike? I would think
that there would be a reference for the stock chain somewhere although
my manuals don't say, I looked at BuyKawasaki.com and their schematics
and couldn't find anything, and the various retailers on the web offer
chains but there is no grid or listing of what bike takes what chain!
Can someone give me a quick lesson in chains???? I realize that many
riders change sprockets, etc, which would change the chain length but
I would think that a reference for the stock chain size would be
valuable for easy stock replacement or as a barometer of which way to
go if one does alter the sprocket sizes.
Thanks for any help!
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Since: Jun 18, 2003 Posts: 255
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:27 am
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"MotoxXx" <nospam DeleteThis @my.net> sez:
> Hey there!
>
> I'm prolly an idiot but how can I tell what size of chain to get for
> my 97 KX250? I haven't changed sprocket size and I looked thru the
> manual and it doesn't specify. There seems to be 2 numbers involved:
> the first something like 520, 530 or 428, and then have a second
> number like 100 or 120. I imagine that they correspond to length and
> thickness but how can ya tell which suits your bike? I would think
> that there would be a reference for the stock chain somewhere although
> my manuals don't say, I looked at BuyKawasaki.com and their schematics
> and couldn't find anything, and the various retailers on the web offer
> chains but there is no grid or listing of what bike takes what chain!
>
> Can someone give me a quick lesson in chains???? I realize that many
> riders change sprockets, etc, which would change the chain length but
> I would think that a reference for the stock chain size would be
> valuable for easy stock replacement or as a barometer of which way to
> go if one does alter the sprocket sizes.
The first # is the size and the second is the number of links. Your KX runs
a 520. The number of links is specific to the sprockets you are running so
you put the new chain on the sprockets to measure how many links you need to
remove to size it for proper fit. If you're not changing sprocket sizes
(new sprockets are a good idea because if your chain is shot, so are your
sprockets), just count the number of links in your existing chain and buy
the next available larger length.
I run 3 countersprockets, 14, 15 & 16 tooth to gear up/down for varying
conditions, so I fit the chain with the 15 tooth counter and the rear
adjuster as close to the middle of travel as possible. That gives me enough
adjustability to run the 1 tooth up or 1 tooth down countersprockets without
having to swap chains.
To size the chain, you'll need a chain breaker tool to drive one of the pins
out to remove a number of links. If its non-O-ring, the master link is easy
to put on. If its an O-ring chain, the plate on the master link is a press
fit so you'll need to use an appropriately sized nut borrowed from somewhere
on the bike (that has an ID that fits over the pin) and a vice grip to
"rock" the plate on one side a little at a time before you'll be able to get
the retaining clip on.
Make sure to install the master link retaining clip in a directional fashion
with the open end away from the direction of movement of the chain so a
strike against a rock doesn't send it flying off somewhere.
Good wrenchin' to ya,
VLJ
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Since: Jul 21, 2003 Posts: 294
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:27 am
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"vlj" <v RemoveThis @l.j> wrote in message
news:OYXsb.35062$vn.77172@sea-read.news.verio.net...
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Good advice. Also be aware that not all o-ring chains are the same
outside width. They vary from brand to brand. I've found Tsubaki &
DID to be narrower. If you have tight clearances (between front
sprocket & case, for example), you'll have to watch your chain
width.
-Jeffrey Deeney- ©2003 DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
jldeeney@c om c ast d ot net '99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94
XR650L-DreamSickle
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:37 am
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In article <4748rv43brf15j4j32c4n1eaumhurqr01h RemoveThis @4ax.com>, MotoxXx
<nospam RemoveThis @my.net> wrote:
> Hey there!
>
> I'm prolly an idiot but how can I tell what size of chain to get for
> my 97 KX250? I haven't changed sprocket size and I looked thru the
> manual and it doesn't specify. There seems to be 2 numbers involved:
> the first something like 520, 530 or 428, and then have a second
> number like 100 or 120. I imagine that they correspond to length and
> thickness but how can ya tell which suits your bike? I would think
> that there would be a reference for the stock chain somewhere although
> my manuals don't say, I looked at BuyKawasaki.com and their schematics
> and couldn't find anything, and the various retailers on the web offer
> chains but there is no grid or listing of what bike takes what chain!
>
> Can someone give me a quick lesson in chains???? I realize that many
> riders change sprockets, etc, which would change the chain length but
> I would think that a reference for the stock chain size would be
> valuable for easy stock replacement or as a barometer of which way to
> go if one does alter the sprocket sizes.
>
The first number is the chain size (I forget what exactly, width of
rollers, pin to pin size, something like that) and the second number is
the number of links. The standard size and links for your kx should be in
the manual, somewhere. Otherwise, take a look at your old chain. The size,
probably a 520, should be stamped on the side plates. Then count the
number of links. Simple.
You'll probably have to buy a chain that is longer than needed, and then
have the shop cut it to length, or else buy a chain tool and do it
yourself.
The other choice is whether to buy a standard or o-ring type chain.
Standard chains are cheaper, wear faster, and have less rolling
resistance. O-ring chains have sealed lubrication inside the roller, cost
more, and last longer.
--
Charles
'99 YZF600R
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:50 am
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Thank you to all!!! I certainly appreciate ya'll taking the time to
fill me in!!!
May you all "get in the zone" and bust a berm like K Dub..
Thanks again!
Scott
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:27:42 GMT, "vlj" <v.RemoveThis@l.j> wrote:
>"MotoxXx" <nospam.RemoveThis@my.net> sez:
>
>> Hey there!
>>
>> I'm prolly an idiot but how can I tell what size of chain to get for
>> my 97 KX250? I haven't changed sprocket size and I looked thru the
>> manual and it doesn't specify. There seems to be 2 numbers involved:
>> the first something like 520, 530 or 428, and then have a second
>> number like 100 or 120. I imagine that they correspond to length and
>> thickness but how can ya tell which suits your bike? I would think
>> that there would be a reference for the stock chain somewhere although
>> my manuals don't say, I looked at BuyKawasaki.com and their schematics
>> and couldn't find anything, and the various retailers on the web offer
>> chains but there is no grid or listing of what bike takes what chain!
>>
>> Can someone give me a quick lesson in chains???? I realize that many
>> riders change sprockets, etc, which would change the chain length but
>> I would think that a reference for the stock chain size would be
>> valuable for easy stock replacement or as a barometer of which way to
>> go if one does alter the sprocket sizes.
>
>The first # is the size and the second is the number of links. Your KX runs
>a 520. The number of links is specific to the sprockets you are running so
>you put the new chain on the sprockets to measure how many links you need to
>remove to size it for proper fit. If you're not changing sprocket sizes
>(new sprockets are a good idea because if your chain is shot, so are your
>sprockets), just count the number of links in your existing chain and buy
>the next available larger length.
>
>I run 3 countersprockets, 14, 15 & 16 tooth to gear up/down for varying
>conditions, so I fit the chain with the 15 tooth counter and the rear
>adjuster as close to the middle of travel as possible. That gives me enough
>adjustability to run the 1 tooth up or 1 tooth down countersprockets without
>having to swap chains.
>
>To size the chain, you'll need a chain breaker tool to drive one of the pins
>out to remove a number of links. If its non-O-ring, the master link is easy
>to put on. If its an O-ring chain, the plate on the master link is a press
>fit so you'll need to use an appropriately sized nut borrowed from somewhere
>on the bike (that has an ID that fits over the pin) and a vice grip to
>"rock" the plate on one side a little at a time before you'll be able to get
>the retaining clip on.
>
>Make sure to install the master link retaining clip in a directional fashion
>with the open end away from the direction of movement of the chain so a
>strike against a rock doesn't send it flying off somewhere.
>
>Good wrenchin' to ya,
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Since: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 213
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:28 am
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>On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:40:57 GMT, MotoxXx <nospam.TakeThisOut@my.net> wrote:
>Hey there!
>
>I'm prolly an idiot but how can I tell what size of chain to get for
>my 97 KX250? I haven't changed sprocket size and I looked thru the
>manual and it doesn't specify. There seems to be 2 numbers involved:
>the first something like 520, 530 or 428, and then have a second
>number like 100 or 120. I imagine that they correspond to length and
>thickness but how can ya tell which suits your bike? I would think
>that there would be a reference for the stock chain somewhere although
>my manuals don't say, I looked at BuyKawasaki.com and their schematics
>and couldn't find anything, and the various retailers on the web offer
>chains but there is no grid or listing of what bike takes what chain!
>
>Can someone give me a quick lesson in chains???? I realize that many
>riders change sprockets, etc, which would change the chain length but
>I would think that a reference for the stock chain size would be
>valuable for easy stock replacement or as a barometer of which way to
>go if one does alter the sprocket sizes.
>
>Thanks for any help!
>
>Scott
Scott, not to give you a hard time, but your manual should have your
bike's stock chain and sprocket specifications on it's "specification"
page. After that, one can alter their gearing to suit their
preferences and applications.
The larger the sprocket, the longer your chain will need to be.
Most of the chains I sell are 120 link chains. I buy them ten at a
time, to be able to offer a better deal to my customers. To be sure
that they fit most of my customers needs, I get the 120 link chains,
which are longer than 95% of all application. A lot of customers will
get an extra master link so that they can add or remove a length of
chain when changing their gearing for different rides. The left over
links sometime come in handy. I'm able to sell the chains for less
than if I special ordered the "correct size", and Motion Pro makes a
heck of a chain breaker for only $25, and one like I got when I was 14
is only about $16.
According to the chart available on this page,
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://sprocketspecialists.com/html/main.shtml" target="_blank">http://sprocketspecialists.com/html/main.shtml</a> , the stock set-up on
your bike is a 520-114 chain, either a 13 or 14 tooth countershaft
sprocket, and either a 47, 48, or 50 tooth rear sprocket.
(520 is the chain size. 114 was the number of links in the stock
chain.)
The chart groups the applications for several years together, as
long as they use identical pattern sprockets instead of showing each
individual year. ( I guess that they figured the customer could count
the teeth on his current sprockets to figure which number they
desired.) The chart also shows the possible number of teeth available
for Sprocket Specialists' standard sprocket designs for each
application in each standard material. (They also have some
interesting and innovative designs. I have them custom make a lot of
sprockets for my customers.)
SS sent me a chart that shows final ratio for different sprocket
combinations. I didn't see one on their web site, but it is basic
math. 12/48 is same as 13/52.
Every sprocket manufacturer list their offerings in an application
chart. MOST of the time, they coincide with each other.
I just went to <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.buykawaki.com" target="_blank">www.buykawaki.com</a> , and clicked on Vehicle
information. After going through the menu, I clicked on
"Specifications" and got all sorts of information, including that your
bike's stock gearing was 13t/49t (listed as final gearing), but I
never saw the information on the chain.
Good luck with your bike. It was a good year model.
Jim
(On Deb's Computer)
"99 Gas Gas EC274 (Sweet Baby)
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Since: Jul 09, 2003 Posts: 577
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:28 am
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:28:49 GMT, The Cooks <dirtbike.TakeThisOut@arkansas.net>
wrote in rec.motorcycles.dirt:
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> SS sent me a chart that shows final ratio for different sprocket
>combinations. I didn't see one on their web site, but it is basic
>math. 12/48 is same as 13/52.
For the mathematically challenged:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motosports-boise.com/rmd/sprktchrt.htm" target="_blank">http://www.motosports-boise.com/rmd/sprktchrt.htm</a>
> (On Deb's Computer)
David - '03 KTM200 EXC
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:26 am
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"vlj" <v.TakeThisOut@l.j> wrote:
>To size the chain, you'll need a chain breaker tool to drive one of the pins
>out to remove a number of links. If its non-O-ring, the master link is easy
>to put on. If its an O-ring chain, the plate on the master link is a press
>fit so you'll need to use an appropriately sized nut borrowed from somewhere
>on the bike (that has an ID that fits over the pin) and a vice grip to
>"rock" the plate on one side a little at a time before you'll be able to get
>the retaining clip on.
>
>Make sure to install the master link retaining clip in a directional fashion
>with the open end away from the direction of movement of the chain so a
>strike against a rock doesn't send it flying off somewhere.
Just to add a bit:
You can cut the chain using a grinder and a punch, if you don't have a
chain breaker. Even if you do have a chain breaker, it's easier if you
grind off the swaged end of the link pin.
Jim Hall
520 EXC and others
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 11:58 pm
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vlj wrote:
> Make sure to install the master link retaining clip in a directional fashion
> with the open end away from the direction of movement of the chain so a
> strike against a rock doesn't send it flying off somewhere.
I always vaguely wondered why the clip goes on that way. One of those
things that you just obey without thinking about it...
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Bev
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shitting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:25 am
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:26:47 -0700, Jim Hall
<jdhall.DeleteThis@nospammolaplateng.co> spewed forth:
>You can cut the chain using a grinder and a punch, if you don't have a
>chain breaker. Even if you do have a chain breaker, it's easier if you
>grind off the swaged end of the link pin.
I tried that. I got tired trying to lift the back of the bike up to
the bench grinder.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:36 am
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In article <3fb57224.1812864281 DeleteThis @news.comcast.giganews.com>,
mxtuner DeleteThis @NOSPAMcomcast.net (MX Tuner) wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:26:47 -0700, Jim Hall
> <jdhall DeleteThis @nospammolaplateng.co> spewed forth:
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> >You can cut the chain using a grinder and a punch, if you don't have a
> >chain breaker. Even if you do have a chain breaker, it's easier if you
> >grind off the swaged end of the link pin.
>
> I tried that. I got tired trying to lift the back of the bike up to
> the bench grinder.
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> MX Tuner
Easy. I mounted some tie-downs to the garage rafters, then winched the
bike up to bench top level. Then, mounted the Dremel tool in the vise, and
gently pushed the bike into the Dremel.
--
Charles
'99 YZF600R
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:18 am
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:25:10 GMT, mxtuner.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMcomcast.net (MX Tuner)
wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:26:47 -0700, Jim Hall
><jdhall.TakeThisOut@nospammolaplateng.co> spewed forth:
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>>You can cut the chain using a grinder and a punch, if you don't have a
>>chain breaker. Even if you do have a chain breaker, it's easier if you
>>grind off the swaged end of the link pin.
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>I tried that. I got tired trying to lift the back of the bike up to
>the bench grinder.
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>MX Tuner
Yeah I hate lifting my bikes up to my non-existant bench grinder too.
I use a dremel tool with a drum sander works very well.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 8:38 am
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:58:00 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> vlj wrote:
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>> Make sure to install the master link retaining clip in a directional
>> fashion with the open end away from the direction of movement of the
>> chain so a strike against a rock doesn't send it flying off somewhere.
>
> I always vaguely wondered why the clip goes on that way. One of those
> things that you just obey without thinking about it...
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:10 pm
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:18:09 GMT, Mike Baxter <mgb061.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
spewed forth:
>>>You can cut the chain using a grinder and a punch, if you don't have a
>>>chain breaker. Even if you do have a chain breaker, it's easier if you
>>>grind off the swaged end of the link pin.
>>I tried that. I got tired trying to lift the back of the bike up to
>>the bench grinder.
>Yeah I hate lifting my bikes up to my non-existant bench grinder too.
>I use a dremel tool with a drum sander works very well.
So much for half hearted humor attempt. The Motion Pro chain breaker
makes a Dremel tool seem like the neanderthal method it really is.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 2:14 pm
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Ahhh, life is good !
When I saw this thread, somehow I knew that my chart would resurface, and it did.
Thank you YamaDog
yamadoggiedaddy
> For the mathematically challenged:
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