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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:40 pm
Post subject: sit-down tr9ials bike?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:40 pm
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In article <0grjt0pdqi3geamqpd4ck8l1csdapt2e2q.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
-keith <khunwick.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:
> This one has a seat?
Most trial bikes used to have what can be called a seat. It just schrank
over the years.
Looks like eraly/mid 90's is when they finally lost any resemblance of
one:
<http://usmontesa.com/html/history_gallery.html>
I'm not sure what a modern competition looks like, but back in the
late 70's, they had to do a loop with multiple zones. The zones is where
you lose points for putting your foot down. But you only had so
much time to do the loop. So these guys really hauled between zones.
The trial competitions around my home town let the public ride the loop
during the competition. I had a Honda XL125 at the time and I couldn't
keep up with the competitors.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:40 pm
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> I'm not sure what a modern competition looks like, but back in the
> late 70's, they had to do a loop with multiple zones. The zones is where
> you lose points for putting your foot down. But you only had so
> much time to do the loop. So these guys really hauled between zones.
> The trial competitions around my home town let the public ride the loop
> during the competition. I had a Honda XL125 at the time and I couldn't
> keep up with the competitors.
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> bruno.
Modern competitions sound very much like what you described with the
exception of allowing spectators on the loop.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:40 pm
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In article <0grjt0pdqi3geamqpd4ck8l1csdapt2e2q.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
-keith <khunwick.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>This one has a seat?
Yea but I still can't sit on it much. I have a '76 348 Cota.
Pretty similar with less rear suspension travel, and AHRMA legal
which this one isn't. 349s supposed to have a monster motor
while the 348 is a little softer.
I can sit down for 3-4x longer than on a modern bike.. that's
30 or 40 seconds instead of 10.
Dig those high bars. Thats what mine needs, the old bikes
have bar mounts lower and footpegs higher and with modern bars
I feel like Quasimodo hunched over on mine.
>
I like the speedo location, that's where I'd
>have it for when I try a front-wheelie and forget to hold on.
They all did that for years. In civilised countries
they run trials loops on the public roads.
Sammy Miller put his speedo on the engine
case on his super light Ariel 500s so the cable would
be shorter and lighter.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:40 am
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> This one has a seat? I like the speedo location, that's where I'd
> have it for when I try a front-wheelie and forget to hold on.
>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6719&item=4516228519&rd=1&tc=photo</font" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6719...em=4516</a>>
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> kewl and funky
the big "if" in trials:
"It's got massive torque, and if you could stay on it, it would climb a 90
degree wall. "
-dean
fine memories of crashing Dan Williams' Beta...
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:54 am
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That is OLD school...
However Yamaha does this nowdays...
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6718&item=4515368569&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6718...em=4515</a>
it is a perfectly "comepetition" ready bike with an optional seat & tank...
see these bikes in action here, in some training videos...
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html" target="_blank">http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</a>
-keith enlightened us with:
> This one has a seat? I like the speedo location, that's where I'd
> have it for when I try a front-wheelie and forget to hold on.
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<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6719&item=4516228519&rd=1&tc=photo</font" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6719...em=4516</a>>
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> kewl and funky
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:41 pm
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On 3 Jan 2005 19:03:56 -0800, ericm RemoveThis @localhost.localdomain (Eric
Murray) wrote:
>In article <0grjt0pdqi3geamqpd4ck8l1csdapt2e2q RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
>-keith <khunwick RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>This one has a seat?
>
>Yea but I still can't sit on it much. I have a '76 348 Cota.
>Pretty similar with less rear suspension travel, and AHRMA legal
>which this one isn't. 349s supposed to have a monster motor
>while the 348 is a little softer.
That was one of the first things I thought, brutal motor!
Kinda funky aggressive stance too.
>I can sit down for 3-4x longer than on a modern bike.. that's
>30 or 40 seconds instead of 10.
>
>Dig those high bars. Thats what mine needs, the old bikes
>have bar mounts lower and footpegs higher and with modern bars
>I feel like Quasimodo hunched over on mine.
Yeh, I saw that, and they're pulled-back pretty good.
Maybe I should just put come CR-Hi bend Renthals on mine...tall, lotta
sweep...
>I like the speedo location, that's where I'd
>>have it for when I try a front-wheelie and forget to hold on.
>
>They all did that for years. In civilised countries
>they run trials loops on the public roads.
>Sammy Miller put his speedo on the engine
>case on his super light Ariel 500s so the cable would
>be shorter and lighter.
How light is "super-light" when it's an Ariel?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://members.shaw.ca/rjohns/ariel/" target="_blank">http://members.shaw.ca/rjohns/ariel/</a>
That's like Douglas-Dragonfly Light?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.realclassic.co.uk/doug04022400.html" target="_blank">http://www.realclassic.co.uk/doug04022400.html</a>
>Eric
-keith
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:40 pm
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:53:26 GMT, "Dean H." <moto.DeleteThis@groove.calm> wrote:
>"It's got massive torque, and if you could stay on it, it would climb a 90
>degree wall. "
If you "could stay on," or if you could keep from jumping to safety?
Seatbelts? No atheists in foxholes...
>-dean
>fine memories of crashing Dan Williams' Beta...
>Dan, you out there, dewd?
-k
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:40 pm
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:54:11 -0600, "Plowboy2"
<stingre.removethis_@yahoo!.removeit> wrote:
>That is OLD school...
>
>However Yamaha does this nowdays...
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6718&item=4515368569&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
That's pretty neat for TST, they also make a more "trials" type Scorpa
I think.
>it is a perfectly "comepetition" ready bike with an optional seat & tank...
>see these bikes in action here, in some training videos...
>http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html
Thanks for the link! My photo sequence would not go well, following
this point:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_11341.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IMG_11341.jpg</a>
Not like that guy's...or the drop-off's, I have too much weight up
high and forward over the front wheel. And a death-grip on the
brakes.
I could maybe do the drop-off with a set of bars like ape-hangers,
pulled back... 
EzCrashr
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:54 pm
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Plowboy2 wrote:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font</a>>
So, I'm thinkin' a trip for 2 out the TTC might make a nice anniversary
gift.
For Eric, of course.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:36 am
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Why..Yes it would make an awsome aniversary present for Eric.
Another option..and a whole bunch closer to ya'all would be
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motoventures.com/" target="_blank">http://www.motoventures.com/</a> They also do Trials training classes
along with enduro and trail riding tours.
Sometimes they have a celebrity guest instructor or two at hand.
Not to drop names, but, I've heard that a certain multi-time-national
trials champion has been known to give instruction. =:^)
TTC though, is THE benchmark for Trials education here in the U.S.
Enjoy and post us a class report.
SloCalSpode
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WoodsChick wrote:
> Plowboy2 wrote:
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font</a>>
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> So, I'm thinkin' a trip for 2 out the TTC might make a nice
anniversary
> gift.
> For Eric, of course.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:40 am
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>On 5 Jan 2005 09:36:06 -0800, "SloCalSpode" <jjwallace.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Why..Yes it would make an awsome aniversary present for Eric.
>Another option..and a whole bunch closer to ya'all would be
>http://www.motoventures.com/ They also do Trials training classes
>along with enduro and trail riding tours.
>Sometimes they have a celebrity guest instructor or two at hand.
>Not to drop names, but, I've heard that a certain multi-time-national
>trials champion has been known to give instruction. =:^)
>TTC though, is THE benchmark for Trials education here in the U.S.
>Enjoy and post us a class report.
>SloCalSpode
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>WoodsChick wrote:
>> Plowboy2 wrote:
<font color=brown> >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.trialstrainingcenter.com/html/how_to_ride.html</font</a>>
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>> So, I'm thinkin' a trip for 2 out the TTC might make a nice
>anniversary
>> gift.
>> For Eric, of course.
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>> Tami-
And stop in for a visit on the way through and back.
Jim Cook
'04 Gas Gas EC300 Woods Pilot
Team LAGNAF
SMACKOVER RACING
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