Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph???

On Jan 22, 5:56 pm, saddlebag <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 7:28 am, Tim Morrow <ct.mor... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Silly Saddle.  The stock market goes up, the stock market does down.
> > It's gone down before, it will come up again.  
>
> Hubris is a deadly sin.
>
> > Study a little history.
>
> Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
>
> Keep in mind, in the past we WERE the economic superpower. And one of
> two military superpowers. Now we're a decimating military superpower
> who funds that endeavor thru the hard work of our therapeutic
> messagers, poodle groomers, and a gubament who can't print money fast
> enough.
>
> You want history,  look no farther than the Soviet Union.

Exactly. You make your investment choices based on your supposition
that the U.S. stock market in 2008 going forward is predicated on the
history of the Soviet Union.

I'll make my investment choices based on other factors.

Get back to me in 20 years regarding how your novel approach worked
out for you, okay?
 >> Stay informed about: Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph??? 

On Jan 22, 1:18 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
> Tim Morrow wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 9:32 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not trying to stir up the pot but why not more discussion on the most
> >> junior of the large bike manufacturer's or Triumph. IOW, not everone is
> >> buying liter plus 1098's. Harley and Honda still are the big fish in the
> >> MC marketplace but they're also the least likely to evolve the state of
> >> the art due to complacency and large size, like Gegroutotors. I salute
> >> the Buells for their mew 1130 twin and would like to see their sales
> >> skyrocket.
>
> >> Turnover was up 10 per cent from £200 million to £220 million. The sales
> >> of Triumph motorcycles also rose by 10 per cent to 41,125 units.
>
> >> Below is from Saddle's post a couple of weeks ago. I guesssickerning
> >> season in MGP is not everything. We're in a depression now & people want
> >> low maintenance street bikes not rubber cam belt buck-board race bikes
> >> and their ancient non-rebuilt from the ground up, like Triumph Bonneville
> >> and Truxtons Also a brand new idea in cruisers, not just a me too Harley.
> >> I of
> >> course am talking  about the Rocket III. And Triumph in the past two
> >> years has come out with revolutionary bikes (675 & street triple) and
> >> improved versions of the Speed Triple and Tiger. The only so-so bike in
> >> their line up is the Gen III Sprint but it's still a better performer
> >> than large beasts like the Yamaha FJR & Honda 1300.
>
> >> Here's Saddle's excerpt from a couple of weeks ago on Ducati sales:
>
> >> Ducati North America is proud to announce that 2007 ended as the
> >> company's best ever year, with retail sales passing the 10,000 mark
> >> for the first time. The arrival of ground breaking new models and a
> >> decisive victory in the 2007 Moto GP World Championship have brought
> >> an unprecedented amount of success to the Italian brand.
>
> >> --
> >> Bob Nixon, RZ-350, SV-650, Chandler, AZ.
>
> > NEWNAN, Georgia - January, 2, 2007 - Triumph Motorcycles (America)
> > Ltd., announced today that its dealers retailed 10,726 units in the US
> > during 2006.
>
> > 2006 was another record setting year for sales of Ducati Motorcycles
> > in North America. At year end, over 8100 motorcycles had been retail
> > registered, which translated to a 16% increase in sales over 2005.
>
> > Total North American sales grew by 22% in 2007; up from the previous
> > record of 8,200 bikes in 2006. This impressive growth occurred while
> > the overall North American motorcycle market declined in 2007. In
> > addition, Ducati North America's unit sales have experienced
> > significant growth over the last four years, more than doubling since
> > 2003.
>
> > It appears Triumph sells more motorcycles in the U.S. than Ducati
> > does.  It appears that Ducati sells more motorcycles worldwide than
> > Triumph does.
>
> > "We're in a depression now & people want low maintenance street bikes
> > not rubber cam belt buck-board race bikes"
>
> > I would say that's not indicated by the market.   I would also point
> > out that, since its inception in 1993, the Monster has been the
> > leading seller in the Ducati line-up.  Hardly a "buckboard race bike."
>
> > Please try to let go of your indignation that some people like Ducatis
> > and some people prefer them to the bikes that you choose for yourself.
>
> > It's really rather unseemly.
>
> So, you're saying Ducati sold more than the 41,000 Triumphs I quoted at the
> top of this discussion? If anything it looks the other way around or Ducati
> sold more in NA and less worldwide.

I believe that Ducati sold 100,000 units worldwide in 2007. I could
be wrong.

> However....it makes little difference, rather an old prejudice on my part
> being born at the end of the 2nd WW. I have never perceived Japan as near
> the (Axis power) threat as Germany/Italy in WWII. Saddle's pictures of the
> bombed out Ducati factory only reinforced that in my mind.
>
> We more or less single handedly decimated (only use a A-bomb in anger) the
> Japanese in WWII but were called upon to aid England of other Axis defeated
> countries. It seems I still feel even today the the British our our allies
> through thick and thin, so that's the under lying reason I was proud to
> have the Union Jack symbol on my Sprint. You may call me a hypocrite for
> buying Japanese but if you think about their part in WWII, they were more
> or less cornered of any  growth with few natural recourses but none the
> less ruthless oppressors. They also do not push any nationalism of their
> products like the Italians or British as they no damned well it would be a
> negative for sales. So my thing with Triumph and Ducati boils down to a
> silly post WWII soccer game more than anything else but you can admit,
> having owned both that both make good products.

I don't make my vehicle purchase choices based on World War II, but if
I did, I would probably stick to American and British vehicles and
would eschew Japanese, Italian, and German vehicles.

I like Triumphs. That's why I've owned four of them that I can think
of off the top of my head. I like Ducatis. I like Suzukis. I like
Yamahas. I like Harleys. I like Kawasakis. I like Nortons, wish
they were still made. I like Aprilias, MV Agustas, BMWs, Hondas,
Victorys, Boss Hosses, Indians, Cagivas, KTMs, Moto-Guzzis, Moto-
Morinis, Bimotas, BSAs, Royal Enfields, Vincents, Urals, and just
about every other brand of motorcycle ever made. I don;t care if
Triumph outsells Ducati in the U.S. or if Ducati outsells Ducati, I
don't care how many BMWs are sold, nor how many Harleys are sold, nor
how many Hondas are sold. I'm happy that there are lots of different
brands, models, and styles of bikes offered, and that many of them are
affordable to the vast majority of Americans. I wish more Americans
would discover the joy of motorcycling. I don't think they need to
buy a particular brand or model of motorcycle in order to discover
that joy. They just need to ride. That's all it's about to me. I
love to ride.

I just picked up my Ducati 800SS Moto-ST racebike from my sponsor's
shop, DucPond Motorsports, in Winchester, Virginia. It is bitchin',
it is trick, and it is way cool. I am excited about racing it at
Daytona in 6 weeks!
 >> Stay informed about: Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph??? 

"Tim Morrow" <ct.morrow RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 22, 1:18 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> Tim Morrow wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 9:32 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not trying to stir up the pot but why not more discussion on the
> >> most
> >> junior of the large bike manufacturer's or Triumph. IOW, not everone is
> >> buying liter plus 1098's. Harley and Honda still are the big fish in
> >> the
> >> MC marketplace but they're also the least likely to evolve the state of
> >> the art due to complacency and large size, like Gegroutotors. I salute
> >> the Buells for their mew 1130 twin and would like to see their sales
> >> skyrocket.
>
> >> Turnover was up 10 per cent from £200 million to £220 million. The
> >> sales
> >> of Triumph motorcycles also rose by 10 per cent to 41,125 units.
>
> >> Below is from Saddle's post a couple of weeks ago. I guesssickerning
> >> season in MGP is not everything. We're in a depression now & people
> >> want
> >> low maintenance street bikes not rubber cam belt buck-board race bikes
> >> and their ancient non-rebuilt from the ground up, like Triumph
> >> Bonneville
> >> and Truxtons Also a brand new idea in cruisers, not just a me too
> >> Harley.
> >> I of
> >> course am talking about the Rocket III. And Triumph in the past two
> >> years has come out with revolutionary bikes (675 & street triple) and
> >> improved versions of the Speed Triple and Tiger. The only so-so bike in
> >> their line up is the Gen III Sprint but it's still a better performer
> >> than large beasts like the Yamaha FJR & Honda 1300.
>
> >> Here's Saddle's excerpt from a couple of weeks ago on Ducati sales:
>
> >> Ducati North America is proud to announce that 2007 ended as the
> >> company's best ever year, with retail sales passing the 10,000 mark
> >> for the first time. The arrival of ground breaking new models and a
> >> decisive victory in the 2007 Moto GP World Championship have brought
> >> an unprecedented amount of success to the Italian brand.
>
> >> --
> >> Bob Nixon, RZ-350, SV-650, Chandler, AZ.
>
> > NEWNAN, Georgia - January, 2, 2007 - Triumph Motorcycles (America)
> > Ltd., announced today that its dealers retailed 10,726 units in the US
> > during 2006.
>
> > 2006 was another record setting year for sales of Ducati Motorcycles
> > in North America. At year end, over 8100 motorcycles had been retail
> > registered, which translated to a 16% increase in sales over 2005.
>
> > Total North American sales grew by 22% in 2007; up from the previous
> > record of 8,200 bikes in 2006. This impressive growth occurred while
> > the overall North American motorcycle market declined in 2007. In
> > addition, Ducati North America's unit sales have experienced
> > significant growth over the last four years, more than doubling since
> > 2003.
>
> > It appears Triumph sells more motorcycles in the U.S. than Ducati
> > does. It appears that Ducati sells more motorcycles worldwide than
> > Triumph does.
>
> > "We're in a depression now & people want low maintenance street bikes
> > not rubber cam belt buck-board race bikes"
>
> > I would say that's not indicated by the market. I would also point
> > out that, since its inception in 1993, the Monster has been the
> > leading seller in the Ducati line-up. Hardly a "buckboard race bike."
>
> > Please try to let go of your indignation that some people like Ducatis
> > and some people prefer them to the bikes that you choose for yourself.
>
> > It's really rather unseemly.
>
> So, you're saying Ducati sold more than the 41,000 Triumphs I quoted at
> the
> top of this discussion? If anything it looks the other way around or
> Ducati
> sold more in NA and less worldwide.

I believe that Ducati sold 100,000 units worldwide in 2007. I could
be wrong.

> However....it makes little difference, rather an old prejudice on my part
> being born at the end of the 2nd WW. I have never perceived Japan as near
> the (Axis power) threat as Germany/Italy in WWII. Saddle's pictures of the
> bombed out Ducati factory only reinforced that in my mind.
>
> We more or less single handedly decimated (only use a A-bomb in anger) the
> Japanese in WWII but were called upon to aid England of other Axis
> defeated
> countries. It seems I still feel even today the the British our our allies
> through thick and thin, so that's the under lying reason I was proud to
> have the Union Jack symbol on my Sprint. You may call me a hypocrite for
> buying Japanese but if you think about their part in WWII, they were more
> or less cornered of any growth with few natural recourses but none the
> less ruthless oppressors. They also do not push any nationalism of their
> products like the Italians or British as they no damned well it would be a
> negative for sales. So my thing with Triumph and Ducati boils down to a
> silly post WWII soccer game more than anything else but you can admit,
> having owned both that both make good products.

I don't make my vehicle purchase choices based on World War II, but if
I did, I would probably stick to American and British vehicles and
would eschew Japanese, Italian, and German vehicles.

I like Triumphs. That's why I've owned four of them that I can think
of off the top of my head. I like Ducatis. I like Suzukis. I like
Yamahas. I like Harleys. I like Kawasakis. I like Nortons, wish
they were still made. I like Aprilias, MV Agustas, BMWs, Hondas,
Victorys, Boss Hosses, Indians, Cagivas, KTMs, Moto-Guzzis, Moto-
Morinis, Bimotas, BSAs, Royal Enfields, Vincents, Urals, and just
about every other brand of motorcycle ever made. I don;t care if
Triumph outsells Ducati in the U.S. or if Ducati outsells Ducati, I
don't care how many BMWs are sold, nor how many Harleys are sold, nor
how many Hondas are sold. I'm happy that there are lots of different
brands, models, and styles of bikes offered, and that many of them are
affordable to the vast majority of Americans. I wish more Americans
would discover the joy of motorcycling. I don't think they need to
buy a particular brand or model of motorcycle in order to discover
that joy. They just need to ride. That's all it's about to me. I
love to ride.

I just picked up my Ducati 800SS Moto-ST racebike from my sponsor's
shop, DucPond Motorsports, in Winchester, Virginia. It is bitchin',
it is trick, and it is way cool. I am excited about racing it at
Daytona in 6 weeks!




___

What are you doing physically to train for Daytona?


--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Kiddo
 >> Stay informed about: Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph??? 

On Jan 22, 9:47 pm, "Andrew" <yogig.no.spamm.spam.n....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> What are you doing physically to train for Daytona?

Strength training three times a week, cardio 2-3 times. Losing
weight. The typical stuff.
 >> Stay informed about: Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph??? 

On Jan 22, 9:28 pm, Tim Morrow <ct.mor....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 5:56 pm, saddlebag <saddle....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 22, 7:28 am, Tim Morrow <ct.mor....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Silly Saddle.  The stock market goes up, the stock market does down.
> > > It's gone down before, it will come up again.  
>
> > Hubris is a deadly sin.
>
> > > Study a little history.
>
> > Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
>
> > Keep in mind, in the past we WERE the economic superpower. And one of
> > two military superpowers. Now we're a decimating military superpower
> > who funds that endeavor thru the hard work of our therapeutic
> > messagers, poodle groomers, and a gubament who can't print money fast
> > enough.
>
> > You want history,  look no farther than the Soviet Union.
>
> Exactly.   You make your investment choices based on your supposition
> that the U.S. stock market in 2008 going forward is predicated on the
> history of the Soviet Union.
>
> I'll make my investment choices based on other factors.
>
> Get back to me in 20 years regarding how your novel approach worked
> out for you, okay?

It won't take 20 years. Bush may be able to get it done all within
two terms!
 >> Stay informed about: Who sells more bikes, Ducati or Triumph???