scientology guys at La Honda?

"Ken Ward" wrote

> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
> like "scientology minister".
>
> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?

Pretty much the same connection they have to anything else: they'll troll
*anywhere* looking for new suckers, er, converts.

I once attended a technical lecture -for which I had paid good money- that
was put on by a guy who turned out to be a Scientologist. He spent the last
ten minutes of the hour *we'd* paid for by telling us why we should sign up
with his army of mindless zombies.

He then made the tactical error of asking each of us to critique his
presentation. You can guess what everybody told him. It hurt his feelings.

He then claimed that he was only prostheletizing us for our own good, and
that he wouldn't be being honest if he didn't "help us along" as much as he
possibly could.

Here there be dragons.
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Ken Ward wrote:
> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
> like "scientology minister".
>
> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>
> Ken

LOL...google 'Scientology volunteer minister scam' and see what pops up.

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P.Roehling wrote:
> "Ken Ward" wrote
>
>> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
>> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
>> like "scientology minister".
>>
>> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>
> Pretty much the same connection they have to anything else: they'll troll
> *anywhere* looking for new suckers, er, converts.
>
> I once attended a technical lecture -for which I had paid good money- that
> was put on by a guy who turned out to be a Scientologist. He spent the last
> ten minutes of the hour *we'd* paid for by telling us why we should sign up
> with his army of mindless zombies.
>
> He then made the tactical error of asking each of us to critique his
> presentation. You can guess what everybody told him. It hurt his feelings.
>
> He then claimed that he was only prostheletizing us for our own good, and
> that he wouldn't be being honest if he didn't "help us along" as much as he
> possibly could.
>
> Here there be dragons.
>
>
Brainzzz....Scientologists need brainzzz....

Why hasn't Keith Code won races, since Scientology has helped him so much?

Why hasn't the new Dianetics Nascar driver become first tier if
Scientology helped him so much?

Results. Look at the results, not the testimonials! If these guys claim
that Scientology has helped them in their endeavors, WHY AREN'T THEY
WINNING?

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Scientology."
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In article ,
GoldDiscovery.RemoveThis@webtv.net (JFH) wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>
> "there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
> like "scientology minister".
>
> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles? "
>
>
>
> Their connection to motorcycles is fellow Scientologist "Doc" Wong. Were
> they hyper-excited?

they were really hustling and bustling around, but they seemed real
grim-faced. this was a real contrast to all the happy people at the
event. they really stood out as sour pusses.
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Ken Ward wrote:
> In article ,
> GoldDiscovery.DeleteThis@webtv.net (JFH) wrote:
>
>> Ken wrote:
>>
>> "there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
>> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
>> like "scientology minister".
>>
>> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles? "
>>
>>
>>
>> Their connection to motorcycles is fellow Scientologist "Doc" Wong. Were
>> they hyper-excited?
>
> they were really hustling and bustling around, but they seemed real
> grim-faced. this was a real contrast to all the happy people at the
> event. they really stood out as sour pusses.

If you had a planet to save and were failing at it, you'd be grim too!

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On 2006-10-16 15:03:06 -0700, barbz said:

> P.Roehling wrote:
>> "Ken Ward" wrote
>>
>>> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
>>> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
>>> like "scientology minister".
>>>
>>> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>>
>> Pretty much the same connection they have to anything else: they'll
>> troll *anywhere* looking for new suckers, er, converts.
>>
>> I once attended a technical lecture -for which I had paid good money-
>> that was put on by a guy who turned out to be a Scientologist. He spent
>> the last ten minutes of the hour *we'd* paid for by telling us why we
>> should sign up with his army of mindless zombies.
>>
>> He then made the tactical error of asking each of us to critique his
>> presentation. You can guess what everybody told him. It hurt his
>> feelings.
>>
>> He then claimed that he was only prostheletizing us for our own good,
>> and that he wouldn't be being honest if he didn't "help us along" as
>> much as he possibly could.
>>
>> Here there be dragons.
>>
> Brainzzz....Scientologists need brainzzz....
>
> Why hasn't Keith Code won races, since Scientology has helped him so much?
>
> Why hasn't the new Dianetics Nascar driver become first tier if
> Scientology helped him so much?
>
> Results. Look at the results, not the testimonials! If these guys claim
> that Scientology has helped them in their endeavors, WHY AREN'T THEY
> WINNING?

Oh phffft...

I have no idea what they respective religions of the winning racing
riders and drivers are, but say they were Jewish, or Buddish... Does
that mean we should all convert?

Our fine Mr. Bush is a born-again. He wins well enough to stick
around, apparently. Should we all become Christian?

Someone's always going to be winning, and they'll always have a
religion. But for some reason, I'm driven to make spiritual choices
based on something other than the track record of the most recognized
participants.

And really, is this an arguement you want to be making? While I can't,
I'm sure someone out there can rattle off a list of a whole bunch of
"successful" Scientologists.

Finally, I'd just like to state that I personally don't really care how
someone "ranks" so long as they're happy in their lot. Have you ever
met a janitor who is really content with their life? It's kind of an
eye-opening experience.

I'm not myself a follower of Scientology, and there certainly seem to
be major problems with it. Much more serious and interesting ones than
it's disciples not winning races, frankly.

Um. Motorcycles are cool. I've got a yellow one. On topic. Yah.

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On 2006-10-17 19:07:23 -0700, "Brian Wax" said:

> I cannot speak for Barbz but Scientology (from my understanding) is a
> lot about results. As far as Bush getting where he is the answer is
> blatantly obvious. No one--not even a Christian will tell you it has
> anything to do with faith. The crux of the issue is you have another
> dumb sucker who has to extrapolate his faults on something other than
> himself. Does the "Lords will" ring a bell?

Indeed I've heard some of the same. But should these "results" be
measured in winning races, is what I'm wondering?

This brings up a fairly interesting point... If you look at results as
a life-satisfaction metric rather than a success-at-an-activity metric,
could you concider some of these folks successful, albeit kind of
poisonous to others around them and certainly annoying?

Not that all of them would be successful under that meaning, but some,
I would think.

Personally, I like to think that just because I find something abrasive
doesn't make it bad for everyone on all counts.

(NOTE: I am not trying to argue that Scientology is good, or that it
works for most people. I just find it hard to beleive that it's bad
for everyone, which seems a common conjecture.)

> Meanwhile in Washington...
>
> Your Born Again Prez

<snip> Not my prez, blah blah blah. Was using him to make a point, as
once the conversation has already descended to Scientology...

Who's turn is it to bring up the Nazis?

> Bottom line is many religious orgs including Appliantology are moral
> relativists.

That's got me wondering... What major groups exist in our society who
are entirely against moral relativism and who's practices actually bear
that out?

Moral relativism seems a real point of commonality these days.

> BTW I am putting a slipper clutch in my SXV for this coming track day.
> I had a part carried by hand all the way from Italy. I just hope it
> gets through customs and is not mistaken for a part of an atomic bomb.
> Then again if you know anything about motorcycles you would say " No
> worries! It is an Aprilia Factory Clutch Shim. Let him pass"
>
> Have any idea where this scenario could go wrong--other than getting a
> part from Aprilia??

Oh, have faith in our well trained customs agents.

If for no other reason, it's more fun to watch an optimist be
disapointed than a pessimist be vindicated.

Of course, we may both be right. It may simply be screened by a
paranoid obsessive who knows exactly what it is, but secretly suspects
Aprilia is building an atomic motorcycle.

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Reed Kennedy wrote:
> On 2006-10-16 15:03:06 -0700, barbz said:
>
>> P.Roehling wrote:
>>> "Ken Ward" wrote
>>>
>>>> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
>>>> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
>>>> like "scientology minister".
>>>>
>>>> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>>>
>>> Pretty much the same connection they have to anything else: they'll
>>> troll *anywhere* looking for new suckers, er, converts.
>>>
>>> I once attended a technical lecture -for which I had paid good money-
>>> that was put on by a guy who turned out to be a Scientologist. He
>>> spent the last ten minutes of the hour *we'd* paid for by telling us
>>> why we should sign up with his army of mindless zombies.
>>>
>>> He then made the tactical error of asking each of us to critique his
>>> presentation. You can guess what everybody told him. It hurt his
>>> feelings.
>>>
>>> He then claimed that he was only prostheletizing us for our own good,
>>> and that he wouldn't be being honest if he didn't "help us along" as
>>> much as he possibly could.
>>>
>>> Here there be dragons.
>>>
>> Brainzzz....Scientologists need brainzzz....
>>
>> Why hasn't Keith Code won races, since Scientology has helped him so
>> much?
>>
>> Why hasn't the new Dianetics Nascar driver become first tier if
>> Scientology helped him so much?
>>
>> Results. Look at the results, not the testimonials! If these guys
>> claim that Scientology has helped them in their endeavors, WHY AREN'T
>> THEY WINNING?
>
> Oh phffft...
>
> I have no idea what they respective religions of the winning racing
> riders and drivers are, but say they were Jewish, or Buddish... Does
> that mean we should all convert?
>
> Our fine Mr. Bush is a born-again. He wins well enough to stick around,
> apparently. Should we all become Christian?
>
> Someone's always going to be winning, and they'll always have a
> religion. But for some reason, I'm driven to make spiritual choices
> based on something other than the track record of the most recognized
> participants.
>
> And really, is this an arguement you want to be making? While I can't,
> I'm sure someone out there can rattle off a list of a whole bunch of
> "successful" Scientologists.
>
> Finally, I'd just like to state that I personally don't really care how
> someone "ranks" so long as they're happy in their lot. Have you ever
> met a janitor who is really content with their life? It's kind of an
> eye-opening experience.
>
> I'm not myself a follower of Scientology, and there certainly seem to be
> major problems with it. Much more serious and interesting ones than
> it's disciples not winning races, frankly.
>
> Um. Motorcycles are cool. I've got a yellow one. On topic. Yah.
>
> --
> Reed.
> 1999 Buell M2 Cyclone
>
Your problem is obvious. You've mistaken a big, fat global scam for a
religion.

Don't do it again, m'kay?

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Scientology."
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Brian Wax wrote:
>
>
Here's an account of what is wrong with these people, if you're interested:
http://vyuz.com/100306_cos1.php

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"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
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Scientology."
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barbz wrote:
> Reed Kennedy wrote:
>> On 2006-10-16 15:03:06 -0700, barbz said:
>>
>>> P.Roehling wrote:
>>>> "Ken Ward" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
>>>>> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
>>>>> like "scientology minister".
>>>>>
>>>>> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much the same connection they have to anything else: they'll
>>>> troll *anywhere* looking for new suckers, er, converts.
>>>>
>>>> I once attended a technical lecture -for which I had paid good
>>>> money- that was put on by a guy who turned out to be a
>>>> Scientologist. He spent the last ten minutes of the hour *we'd* paid
>>>> for by telling us why we should sign up with his army of mindless
>>>> zombies.
>>>>
>>>> He then made the tactical error of asking each of us to critique his
>>>> presentation. You can guess what everybody told him. It hurt his
>>>> feelings.
>>>>
>>>> He then claimed that he was only prostheletizing us for our own
>>>> good, and that he wouldn't be being honest if he didn't "help us
>>>> along" as much as he possibly could.
>>>>
>>>> Here there be dragons.
>>>>
>>> Brainzzz....Scientologists need brainzzz....
>>>
>>> Why hasn't Keith Code won races, since Scientology has helped him so
>>> much?
>>>
>>> Why hasn't the new Dianetics Nascar driver become first tier if
>>> Scientology helped him so much?
>>>
>>> Results. Look at the results, not the testimonials! If these guys
>>> claim that Scientology has helped them in their endeavors, WHY AREN'T
>>> THEY WINNING?
>>
>> Oh phffft...
>>
>> I have no idea what they respective religions of the winning racing
>> riders and drivers are, but say they were Jewish, or Buddish... Does
>> that mean we should all convert?
>>
>> Our fine Mr. Bush is a born-again. He wins well enough to stick
>> around, apparently. Should we all become Christian?
>>
>> Someone's always going to be winning, and they'll always have a
>> religion. But for some reason, I'm driven to make spiritual choices
>> based on something other than the track record of the most recognized
>> participants.
>>
>> And really, is this an arguement you want to be making? While I
>> can't, I'm sure someone out there can rattle off a list of a whole
>> bunch of "successful" Scientologists.
>>
>> Finally, I'd just like to state that I personally don't really care
>> how someone "ranks" so long as they're happy in their lot. Have you
>> ever met a janitor who is really content with their life? It's kind
>> of an eye-opening experience.
>>
>> I'm not myself a follower of Scientology, and there certainly seem to
>> be major problems with it. Much more serious and interesting ones
>> than it's disciples not winning races, frankly.
>>
>> Um. Motorcycles are cool. I've got a yellow one. On topic. Yah.
>>
>> --
>> Reed.
>> 1999 Buell M2 Cyclone
>>
> Your problem is obvious. You've mistaken a big, fat global scam for a
> religion.
>
> Don't do it again, m'kay?
>
There's a difference between the two????
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Barb wrote:

"Your problem is obvious. You've mistaken a big, fat global scam for a
religion.
Don't do it again, m'kay?"

Then Rich wrote:

"There's a difference between the two????"

Scientology is a purer fatter global scam than most plus they're
hyper-excited!




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Ken Ward wrote:

> there were a few guys walking around La Honda two weekends ago at the
> Ducati Day event, wearing these yellow t-shirts which said something
> like "scientology minister".
>
> so what's up with that? what's their connection to motorcycles?
>
> Ken

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Scientology - A Question of Faith

Did a mother's belief in Scientology contribute to her brutal murder?
Peter Van Sant examines a March 2003 murder that doctors say might never
have occurred if Jeremy Perkins, a 28-year-old paranoid schizophrenic,
had received proper treatment to control his psychotic delusions -
delusions which made him believe his mother, Elli, was evil. The family
desperately wanted to help their son, but they followed the principles
of Scientology, a religion which strongly opposes psychiatric treatment.
Elli Perkins was stabbed more than 70 times by her mentally ill son.

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monopoly of power in Washington."

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"A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country
with his religion and destroy them under color of law."

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