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Andy Burnett

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:22 pm
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My schedule has kept me off of my bikes for a little while now and
though life is full of good stuff, I was missing a bit of adventure. On
a flight to CO a couple of weeks ago, I was looking out the window as we
flew over the Sierra and I saw a lot of snow in the high country. It
made me wonder when the passes would be open.

I then remembered a mountain called Crater Crest that I've had my eye on
for a couple of years as a possible climb/ski descent. Suddenly I had
to do it. Never mind that I've been doing little more than driving a
desk for the last few months and that it's a 4,000' climb to the
11,250' summit.

So, last Friday, I left work at 8:00pm and drove 5 hours to the area at
the base of Crater Crest. Saturday I did a few odds and ends in the
area and then early Sunday morning, I set out to climb one of the
gullies on the north face of the mountain.

A trail took me near the drainage from the gully I wanted to climb, then
I headed up the talus to where the first snow was. Once on the snow, I
put on my skis and skinned [1] up the hill, gaining maybe 1000 feet.
The angle finally got too steep for the skins, so I strapped the skis on
my pack and started kicking steps in the icy snow. For about the next
2500' each step took two or three kicks and by the time I got to the
top, my legs were like rubber bands.

After a ten minute rest, I saw there was a front coming from the west
about four miles away, so I figured it was time to start skiing. There
was a bowl to my left that gave me a couple hundred yards of lower angle
skiing to get reacquainted with my skis. Then I dropped into the next
chute and found a nice layer of windpack on the left-hand side, where
the right side was icy. The chute led all the way back down the
drainage I'd come up, so I continued as far as the snow went. I took my
skis off right where the water was flowing out from under the snow and
bushwhacked back to my car. The round trip had been seven hours.

Another five hour drive lay ahead, so I had dinner, tanked up on coffee
and hit the road. The drive gave me plenty of time to replay the
highlights and to remember in general how important it is to be outside
living life. I'm looking forward to the high passes opening early in
the summer. Some of the most enjoyable riding I've ever done has been
right up there.

ab


[1] Climbing skins are long strips of a bristly material like mohair
that adhere to the ski base, allowing the ski to slide forward but grip
when taking a step.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:22 pm
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"Andy Burnett" <tzrider.DeleteThis@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
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 > My schedule has kept me off of my bikes for a little while now and
 > though life is full of good stuff, I was missing a bit of adventure. On
 > a flight to CO a couple of weeks ago, I was looking out the window as we
 > flew over the Sierra and I saw a lot of snow in the high country. It
 > made me wonder when the passes would be open.
 >
 > I then remembered a mountain called Crater Crest that I've had my eye on
 > for a couple of years as a possible climb/ski descent. Suddenly I had
 > to do it. Never mind that I've been doing little more than driving a
 > desk for the last few months and that it's a 4,000' climb to the
 > 11,250' summit.
 >
 > So, last Friday, I left work at 8:00pm and drove 5 hours to the area at
 > the base of Crater Crest. Saturday I did a few odds and ends in the
 > area and then early Sunday morning, I set out to climb one of the
 > gullies on the north face of the mountain.
 >
 > A trail took me near the drainage from the gully I wanted to climb, then
 > I headed up the talus to where the first snow was. Once on the snow, I
 > put on my skis and skinned [1] up the hill, gaining maybe 1000 feet.
 > The angle finally got too steep for the skins, so I strapped the skis on
 > my pack and started kicking steps in the icy snow. For about the next
 > 2500' each step took two or three kicks and by the time I got to the
 > top, my legs were like rubber bands.
 >
 > After a ten minute rest, I saw there was a front coming from the west
 > about four miles away, so I figured it was time to start skiing. There
 > was a bowl to my left that gave me a couple hundred yards of lower angle
 > skiing to get reacquainted with my skis. Then I dropped into the next
 > chute and found a nice layer of windpack on the left-hand side, where
 > the right side was icy. The chute led all the way back down the
 > drainage I'd come up, so I continued as far as the snow went. I took my
 > skis off right where the water was flowing out from under the snow and
 > bushwhacked back to my car. The round trip had been seven hours.
 >
 > Another five hour drive lay ahead, so I had dinner, tanked up on coffee
 > and hit the road. The drive gave me plenty of time to replay the
 > highlights and to remember in general how important it is to be outside
 > living life. I'm looking forward to the high passes opening early in
 > the summer. Some of the most enjoyable riding I've ever done has been
 > right up there.
 >
 > ab
 >
 >
 > [1] Climbing skins are long strips of a bristly material like mohair
 > that adhere to the ski base, allowing the ski to slide forward but grip
 > when taking a step.



Did you take a camera Andy? those would be some killer pictures....I hope
you post some links...it sounds like a 15 degree slope to start and maybe
25-30 degrees when you had to side step up the mountain is that right?.
Did the forest service know you were up there, or could you have been lost
or hit a tree like Sonny Bono and no one would have known... and then I
would be posting that maybe the cult got you.

(That mess btw is hitting the skids badly in Clearwater these days, Davie
Miscavige chopped all the upper management off at the pockets and did the
last event solo, real terse like... we think the rest of em are at "happy"
valley running around a pole in the desert now, stats are off 30% from last
year... the natives have gotten terminally restless....

Davey has NO charisma you know, that was the problem...all vicious and lies
and no charisma ...and that just keeps on keeping going south.)


Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed colon.
Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside. My heart
went out to Bob.

I myself was getting a little ragged, but [1]combination enzymes (now in
great moderation fixed that mess right up... it took a year though.. the
purple pill doesnt handle the root causes but is better than nothing..

You should be able to post some ski adventure photo's...



Phil Scott


[1] the bodys natural enzyme production drops drastically with age...so
that one cannot digest food properly and produces too much acid to
compensate...the stomach lining and gut wall become toast... a person needs
an enzyme suppliment thats good for all foods, grease, sugars, starch,
protiens, vegitables etc in order to fix that mess... over doing it can
cause problems though. Take one *after each of two meals per day max,
then as you improve take less, in the end almost the less you take the
better...it appears cumulative....Im taking one a week these days max...all
is wonderful. Half a quart of kiefer a day during the healing stage is
also important... and light on the protien at first...also...small meals...
later when you are healed you can stuff yourself.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:22 pm
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Andy Burnett wrote:
 >
 > Another five hour drive lay ahead, so I had dinner, tanked up on
 > coffee and hit the road. The drive gave me plenty of time to replay
 > the highlights and to remember in general how important it is to be
 > outside living life. I'm looking forward to the high passes opening
 > early in the summer. Some of the most enjoyable riding I've ever
 > done has been right up there.
 >
You climbed 4,000 vertical feet wearing or carrying skis? You got my
admiration.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:22 pm
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"Phil Scott" <philscott.TakeThisOut@philscott.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Andy Burnett" <tzrider.TakeThisOut@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
 > message news:Xns94D66920F75ECtzrideryahoocom@216.148.227.77...
  > > My schedule has kept me off of my bikes for a little while now and
  > > though life is full of good stuff, I was missing a bit of adventure. On
  > > a flight to CO a couple of weeks ago, I was looking out the window as we
  > > flew over the Sierra and I saw a lot of snow in the high country. It
  > > made me wonder when the passes would be open.
  > >
  > > I then remembered a mountain called Crater Crest that I've had my eye on
  > > for a couple of years as a possible climb/ski descent. Suddenly I had
  > > to do it. Never mind that I've been doing little more than driving a
  > > desk for the last few months and that it's a 4,000' climb to the
  > > 11,250' summit.
  > >
  > > So, last Friday, I left work at 8:00pm and drove 5 hours to the area at
  > > the base of Crater Crest. Saturday I did a few odds and ends in the
  > > area and then early Sunday morning, I set out to climb one of the
  > > gullies on the north face of the mountain.
  > >
  > > A trail took me near the drainage from the gully I wanted to climb, then
  > > I headed up the talus to where the first snow was. Once on the snow, I
  > > put on my skis and skinned [1] up the hill, gaining maybe 1000 feet.
  > > The angle finally got too steep for the skins, so I strapped the skis on
  > > my pack and started kicking steps in the icy snow. For about the next
  > > 2500' each step took two or three kicks and by the time I got to the
  > > top, my legs were like rubber bands.
  > >
  > > After a ten minute rest, I saw there was a front coming from the west
  > > about four miles away, so I figured it was time to start skiing. There
  > > was a bowl to my left that gave me a couple hundred yards of lower angle
  > > skiing to get reacquainted with my skis. Then I dropped into the next
  > > chute and found a nice layer of windpack on the left-hand side, where
  > > the right side was icy. The chute led all the way back down the
  > > drainage I'd come up, so I continued as far as the snow went. I took my
  > > skis off right where the water was flowing out from under the snow and
  > > bushwhacked back to my car. The round trip had been seven hours.
  > >
  > > Another five hour drive lay ahead, so I had dinner, tanked up on coffee
  > > and hit the road. The drive gave me plenty of time to replay the
  > > highlights and to remember in general how important it is to be outside
  > > living life. I'm looking forward to the high passes opening early in
  > > the summer. Some of the most enjoyable riding I've ever done has been
  > > right up there.
  > >
  > > ab
  > >
  > >
  > > [1] Climbing skins are long strips of a bristly material like mohair
  > > that adhere to the ski base, allowing the ski to slide forward but grip
  > > when taking a step.
 >
 >
 >
 > Did you take a camera Andy? those would be some killer pictures....I
hope
 > you post some links...it sounds like a 15 degree slope to start and maybe
 > 25-30 degrees when you had to side step up the mountain is that right?.
 > Did the forest service know you were up there, or could you have been lost
 > or hit a tree like Sonny Bono and no one would have known... and then I
 > would be posting that maybe the cult got you.
 >
 > (That mess btw is hitting the skids badly in Clearwater these days, Davie
 > Miscavige chopped all the upper management off at the pockets and did the
 > last event solo, real terse like... we think the rest of em are at "happy"
 > valley running around a pole in the desert now, stats are off 30% from
last
 > year... the natives have gotten terminally restless....
 >
 > Davey has NO charisma you know, that was the problem...all vicious and
lies
 > and no charisma ...and that just keeps on keeping going south.)
 >
 >
 > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
 > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed colon.
 > Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside. My heart
 > went out to Bob.
 >
 > I myself was getting a little ragged, but [1]combination enzymes (now in
 > great moderation fixed that mess right up... it took a year though.. the
 > purple pill doesnt handle the root causes but is better than nothing..
 >
 > You should be able to post some ski adventure photo's...
 >
 >
 >
 > Phil Scott
 >
 >
 > [1] the bodys natural enzyme production drops drastically with age...so
 > that one cannot digest food properly and produces too much acid to
 > compensate...the stomach lining and gut wall become toast... a person
needs
 > an enzyme suppliment thats good for all foods, grease, sugars, starch,
 > protiens, vegitables etc in order to fix that mess... over doing it can
 > cause problems though. Take one *after each of two meals per day max,
 > then as you improve take less, in the end almost the less you take the
 > better...it appears cumulative....Im taking one a week these days
max...all
 > is wonderful. Half a quart of kiefer a day during the healing stage is
 > also important... and light on the protien at first...also...small
meals...
 > later when you are healed you can stuff yourself.


Oh...one other question Andy... if you are skiing into an obvious
disaster..say a dense stand of trees and rocks, or even one of those orange
web fences...no bite, no way to change course or slow....is it better to
stay on the ski's? Or is it smartest to get flat on the snow pushing the
ski's ahead of you?

Are we beginning to approach a general principle here?

Do you see parallels in those regards with bikes? Would Sonny Bono have
done better hitting that tree on his side, laying down, sliding ski's first
instead of with his face?

What do you do in cases like that?



Phil Scott

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:24 pm
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"Phil Scott" <philscott.TakeThisOut@philscott.net> wrote in
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 > Did you take a camera Andy? those would be some killer
 > pictures....I hope you post some links...

I forgot my digital -- I have something in common with Holly when it
comes to photography. I did intend to take some shot though, so I
grabbed a disposable once I was in the area. My picture-taking was
sparse and I haven't seen the outcome yet, but if there's anything worth
seeing, I'll post 'em.

 > it sounds like a 15 degree
 > slope to start and maybe 25-30 degrees when you had to side step up
 > the mountain is that right?.

It's about a 37 degree average, with anything from about 15 to 50.

 > Did the forest service know you were up
 > there, or could you have been lost or hit a tree like Sonny Bono and
 > no one would have known...

The forest service didn't know my wherabouts, but a local friend did and
I did the climb with one other guy. He didn't ski, but hiked up and
down instead.

 > and then I would be posting that maybe the cult got you.

I'll keep that in mind anytime I'm tempted to travel in the backcountry
without telling anyone.

 > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
 > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed
 > colon. Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside.

I do browse Bob's photos from time to time, but I confess not to have
looked at those.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:24 pm
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"Andy Burnett" <tzrider.DeleteThis@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
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 > "Phil Scott" <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote in
 > news:c6h0nk$861$1@news.tdl.com:
 >
  > > Did you take a camera Andy? those would be some killer
  > > pictures....I hope you post some links...
 >
 > I forgot my digital -- I have something in common with Holly when it
 > comes to photography. I did intend to take some shot though, so I
 > grabbed a disposable once I was in the area. My picture-taking was
 > sparse and I haven't seen the outcome yet, but if there's anything worth
 > seeing, I'll post 'em.
 >
  > > it sounds like a 15 degree
  > > slope to start and maybe 25-30 degrees when you had to side step up
  > > the mountain is that right?.
 >
 > It's about a 37 degree average, with anything from about 15 to 50.

Thats just a little fierce Id say

 >
  > > Did the forest service know you were up
  > > there, or could you have been lost or hit a tree like Sonny Bono and
  > > no one would have known...
 >
 > The forest service didn't know my wherabouts, but a local friend did and
 > I did the climb with one other guy. He didn't ski, but hiked up and
 > down instead.
 >
  > > and then I would be posting that maybe the cult got you.
 >
 > I'll keep that in mind anytime I'm tempted to travel in the backcountry
 > without telling anyone.
 >
  > > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
  > > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed
  > > colon. Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside.
 >
 > I do browse Bob's photos from time to time, but I confess not to have
 > looked at those.

I kept mine too.... very nice. 4 shots. Not inflamed like Bobs
though.

Phil Scott

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"Phil Scott" <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote in
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 > Oh...one other question Andy... if you are skiing into an obvious
 > disaster..say a dense stand of trees and rocks, or even one of those
 > orange web fences...no bite, no way to change course or slow....is it
 > better to stay on the ski's? Or is it smartest to get flat on the
 > snow pushing the ski's ahead of you?
 >
 > Are we beginning to approach a general principle here?
 >
 > Do you see parallels in those regards with bikes? Would Sonny Bono
 > have done better hitting that tree on his side, laying down, sliding
 > ski's first instead of with his face?
 >
 > What do you do in cases like that?

I was feeling marginally guilty for posting something so far off topic,
so thank you for relating all this back to motorcycles. Actually, there
seem to me to be several parallels between skiing and riding. There are
large differences too.

I see the point you're making, and there are even some rough parallels.
While I wasn't there when Sonny met his end, it probably goes without
saying that he wasn't in total control of his speed and direction.

Skiing can present terrain that is over the skier's head. That doesn't
happen often on a street motorcycle; being over your head on a bike is
more the consequence of deciding to ride faster than your skill can deal
with. Of course, either way, you can end up over your head, but I'd say
you have more chances to get yourself back under control on a road bike
than you sometimes can on steep snow.

Ultimately, speed control on a motorcycle is easier than it sometimes is
on skis. On a motorcycle, you can usually stop just as well when you're
tires as when you're fresh; when skiing steeps, sometimes fatigue *is*
the reason a skier blows a turn and finds himself way out of control.

The consequences to falling on skis are often trivial, especially in
normal recreational areas. But when the ground is steeper, getting out
of control on skis can happen pretty quickly. Gravity has a way of
making it worse for as long as you hesitate.

All in all, as it's comparatively easy to control your speed and
direction on a sportbike and the consquences of falling off are not
usually as trivial as on skis, laying a sportbike down wouldn't be even
close to my first choice in most cases. With skiing, since falling down
doesn't usually carry a high price and since the situation only gets
worse with each moment of indecision (not only are you getting closer to
the hazard, but you're also accelerating), intentionally falling can be
the best option more of the time.

In the chute I skied this past weekend, falling would have been a pretty
bad idea. The top part of the route was very steep, the snow was very
firm and fast, there were lots of rocks and ice and it was a long way
down. In the event of a fall near the top, self-arrest was unlikely.
Instead, I skied carefully and paused every three turns or so to let the
burn subside in my legs. I'm no top athlete, so part of my safety lay
in keeping the pace such that my body would continue to do what I told
it. In the end, it wasn't art, but I got down in one piece.

Down low, falling was OK and I pushed myself to the point where I did
fall a couple of times. Had I been headed for a tree (once I was below
tree-line again), bailing may well have been the best option. I'm not
too proud to fall off my skis, but I still regard it as what you do
after you make a bunch of mistakes.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:52 pm
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"Andy Burnett" <tzrider RemoveThis @DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
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 > "Phil Scott" <philscott RemoveThis @philscott.net> wrote in
 > news:c6h5pt$9e5$1@news.tdl.com:
 >
  > > Oh...one other question Andy... if you are skiing into an obvious
  > > disaster..say a dense stand of trees and rocks, or even one of those
  > > orange web fences...no bite, no way to change course or slow....is it
  > > better to stay on the ski's? Or is it smartest to get flat on the
  > > snow pushing the ski's ahead of you?
  > >
  > > Are we beginning to approach a general principle here?
  > >
  > > Do you see parallels in those regards with bikes? Would Sonny Bono
  > > have done better hitting that tree on his side, laying down, sliding
  > > ski's first instead of with his face?
  > >
  > > What do you do in cases like that?
 >
 > I was feeling marginally guilty for posting something so far off topic,
 > so thank you for relating all this back to motorcycles. Actually, there
 > seem to me to be several parallels between skiing and riding. There are
 > large differences too.
 >
 > I see the point you're making, and there are even some rough parallels.
 > While I wasn't there when Sonny met his end, it probably goes without
 > saying that he wasn't in total control of his speed and direction.
 >
 > Skiing can present terrain that is over the skier's head. That doesn't
 > happen often on a street motorcycle; being over your head on a bike is
 > more the consequence of deciding to ride faster than your skill can deal
 > with. Of course, either way, you can end up over your head, but I'd say
 > you have more chances to get yourself back under control on a road bike
 > than you sometimes can on steep snow.

of course thats correct....yet...when you hit a sea of wet leaves in a
turn no way in hell to stop or steer.. and just a second or two to go before
impact .it seems then that the analogy to skiing becomes valid...and you
guys get off and lay flat feet first at those times in most cases,, so the
ski's and legs can absorb the initial shock.... the head being 6' away from
danger and able to spin out of it.

 >
 > Ultimately, speed control on a motorcycle is easier than it sometimes is
 > on skis. On a motorcycle, you can usually stop just as well when you're
 > tires as when you're fresh; when skiing steeps, sometimes fatigue *is*
 > the reason a skier blows a turn and finds himself way out of control.

The consequences of a deliberate low side on a bike can be trivial to the
rider as well, and even on the bike sometimes (if its set up for it, wide
bars that is) etc and frame sliders. It does take practice though...but
the same holds for skiing.

 >
 > The consequences to falling on skis are often trivial, especially in
 > normal recreational areas. But when the ground is steeper, getting out
 > of control on skis can happen pretty quickly. Gravity has a way of
 > making it worse for as long as you hesitate.
 >
 > All in all, as it's comparatively easy to control your speed and
 > direction on a sportbike...

correct of course....the scenario's I describe though are cases where the
traction is zero and the hope of avoiding the accident non existant... and
as you know, that can happen with zero traction situations.





 > and the consquences of falling off are not
 > usually as trivial as on skis, laying a sportbike down wouldn't be even
 > close to my first choice in most cases. With skiing, since falling down
 > doesn't usually carry a high price and since the situation only gets
 > worse with each moment of indecision (not only are you getting closer to
 > the hazard, but you're also accelerating), intentionally falling can be
 > the best option more of the time.
 >
 > In the chute I skied this past weekend, falling would have been a pretty
 > bad idea.

50 degrees... hard pack.... it could have been nasty.

Phil Scott


 > The top part of the route was very steep, the snow was very
 > firm and fast, there were lots of rocks and ice and it was a long way
 > down. In the event of a fall near the top, self-arrest was unlikely.
 > Instead, I skied carefully and paused every three turns or so to let the
 > burn subside in my legs. I'm no top athlete, so part of my safety lay
 > in keeping the pace such that my body would continue to do what I told
 > it. In the end, it wasn't art, but I got down in one piece.
 >
 > Down low, falling was OK and I pushed myself to the point where I did
 > fall a couple of times. Had I been headed for a tree (once I was below
 > tree-line again), bailing may well have been the best option. I'm not
 > too proud to fall off my skis, but I still regard it as what you do
 > after you make a bunch of mistakes.
 >
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Phil Scott <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > Oh...one other question Andy... if you are skiing into an obvious
 > disaster..say a dense stand of trees and rocks, or even one of those
orange
 > web fences...no bite, no way to change course or slow....is it better to
 > stay on the ski's? Or is it smartest to get flat on the snow pushing the
 > ski's ahead of you?
 >
 > Are we beginning to approach a general principle here?
 >
 > Do you see parallels in those regards with bikes? Would Sonny Bono have
 > done better hitting that tree on his side, laying down, sliding ski's
first
 > instead of with his face?
 >
 > What do you do in cases like that?

Phil Scott's "Layin er down" ski school. Complete with all of the
nutritional supplements and enzymes that will keep the student's focus on
how to "lay er down" no matter what sport you aspire to........

The "Layin er Down" practical pistol course.
The "Layin er Down" golf approach.
The "Layin er Down" volleyball system
The "Layin er Down" marathon running technique
The "Layin er Down" synchronized swimming system
The "Layin er Down" Skip Barber Viper race system

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 >
  > > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
  > > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed
  > > colon. Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside.
 >
 > I do browse Bob's photos from time to time, but I confess not to have
 > looked at those.
 >
 > ab

Nothing could be better in a sportbike forum than fresh shots of an
irritated colon.......
If we weren't so stuck up here in Northern California, we'd all be posting
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 > Andy Burnett <tzrider.TakeThisOut@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
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  > >
   > > > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
   > > > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed
   > > > colon. Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside.
  > >
  > > I do browse Bob's photos from time to time, but I confess not to have
  > > looked at those.
  > >
  > > ab
 >
 > Nothing could be better in a sportbike forum than fresh shots of an
 > irritated colon.......
 > If we weren't so stuck up here in Northern California, we'd all be posting
 > shots of our colonscopys or sigmoidscopys.

Did you PRAY for Bob? Noooooo.


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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:22:09 GMT, Andy Burnett
<tzrider.RemoveThis@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote:

 >My schedule has kept me off of my bikes for a little while now and
 >though life is full of good stuff, I was missing a bit of adventure. On
 >a flight to CO a couple of weeks ago, I was looking out the window as we
 >flew over the Sierra and I saw a lot of snow in the high country. It
 >made me wonder when the passes would be open.

[...] snipped for brevity.

 >[1] Climbing skins are long strips of a bristly material like mohair
 >that adhere to the ski base, allowing the ski to slide forward but grip
 >when taking a step.

Nice write up Andy. Looking forward to seeing the photos if you can
scan a couple in.


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 > "REInvestments" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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  > > Andy Burnett <tzrider.RemoveThis@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote in
 > message
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  > >
   > > >
   > > > > Bob posted the photo's of his colonoscopy a while back...sort of the
   > > > > opposite of scientology PR......those were interesting... inflamed
   > > > > colon. Did you SEE those Andy? All red and stringy looking inside.
   > > >
   > > > I do browse Bob's photos from time to time, but I confess not to have
   > > > looked at those.
   > > >
   > > > ab
  > >
  > > Nothing could be better in a sportbike forum than fresh shots of an
  > > irritated colon.......
  > > If we weren't so stuck up here in Northern California, we'd all be
posting
  > > shots of our colonscopys or sigmoidscopys.
 >
 > Did you PRAY for Bob? Noooooo.

I didn't, but I understand that many Scientologists did.
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