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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:22 am
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We've had the first couple of days above freezing in a while and a lot of
rain to go with it. The rain and melting snow has everything saturated and
all of the creeks/rivers very full. There's been some minor flooding here
and there but nothing major...
With no 'real' riding opportunities for Sunday I headed back out to my new
little spot to do some more 'scouting' for where I'm gonna cut in some
trails. I was on my wife's xr200 since there was still a fair amount of
snow and ice on the ground - and it's better for trailblazing than my KDX
anyway.
I had only been poking around for maybe 15 or 20 minutes when I came to a
creek that I wanted to cross. This creek runs through the area and is very
small and easily crossed in most places. This spot was maybe 2 bike
lengths accross and didn't appear to be very deep. I looked at it for a
few seconds and determined that it couldn't have been more than 1.5 feet
deep. The water was clear and still and I could see the leaf-covered
bottom easily. Thinking it was a non-issue I just plopped in and expected
to go on my way.
I don't know if I mis-judged the depth or if the leaf cover on the bottom
was just very soft and deep, but as soon as I hit the center the front end
disappeared. The front fender was submerged before I had a chance to
react. I gassed it hoping to get out the other side, but I wasn't able to
make it up the far bank and came to a stop in thigh-deep COLD water.
Fortunately the bike was far enough up the bank that the airbox was out of
the water and the exhaust was making neat bubbles. I was able to push and
drag the bike up the other side without too much trouble and decided that
I needed to get out of my wet clothes quickly. Of course, this was the
first time I'd been through to this spot and it took me a little while to
find/make a path back out to the existing trail to head home.
I was only 1/2 mile from my house, but by the time I got there I was
freezing. I left the bike outside in the sun to dry off and ran in to take
a hot shower. The timing was funny, since we've been talking about
spending the night on the trail and that sort of thing... If I would've
had to spend the night on the trail after taking a swim like that, I'd
sure hope to have the means to start a good fire to keep warm.
I had something to do, so I left the bike out back and headed out. It was
just after dusk when I got home and went to push the bike in the garage.
It wouldn't move... the rear brake had frozen solid.  I carried/dragged
it in and turned on the garage heat. A little later I was able to break it
free so I left the heat on to dry things out. I'm thinking a little
disassembly/lube action needs to happen in the next night or two...
Not much riding, but fun anyway...
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:49 am
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Craig Faison <cfaison DeleteThis @magpage.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.BSF.4.33.0402090905180.86677-100000 DeleteThis @alaska.magpage.com>...
> Not much riding, but fun anyway...
<s>
> Craig
OK, colder than my submarining experience (34deg.F for me) but, Cmon,
the bike didn't even STALL? Sheesh, back when I went to school it was
uphill both ways...
My XR200 was very tough to stall in the water, that saved my butt on
many occaisions.
Just remember, alcohol in the cold is BAD if you're trying to conserve
body heat, but GOOD for getting the blood flowing again.
I almost always have a lighter in a ziplock baggie, just in case. No,
there's nothing else in the baggie except maybe a train schedule
(don't cross the tracks without one) and maybe some backwoods cigars.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:27 pm
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Jeff Deeney wrote:
> Light the bike on fire. BTW, the burning bike on OAS was
> totally staged. The guy who did this was kind of crazy &
> did many of the staged stunts in the movie.
Of course it was. If there had been a film crew present when he was lost
he wouldn't have been very lost would he? It would be neat to see some
behind the scenes footage of some of the stunts...
> When I had bikes with drum brakes, I'd take them for a spin
> after washing, doing lots of brake dragging to get the hub
> good & hot to dry things out.
Not a bad idea...
> For good measure, you better take out the swingarm bolt. 
It's OK, I have a very large electric motor sitting around.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:37 pm
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"Craig Faison" <cfaison RemoveThis @magpage.com> wrote in message
> I don't know if I mis-judged the depth or if the leaf cover on the bottom
> was just very soft and deep, but as soon as I hit the center the front end
> disappeared. The front fender was submerged before I had a chance to
> react. I gassed it hoping to get out the other side, but I wasn't able to
> make it up the far bank and came to a stop in thigh-deep COLD water.
>
> I had something to do, so I left the bike out back and headed out. It was
> just after dusk when I got home and went to push the bike in the garage.
> It wouldn't move... the rear brake had frozen solid.
Shoulda stuck with the porn.
Last week, I was going to take my bike for a snow ride. It was still
covered with mud from my last time out, so I hosed it down. By the time I
was done (5 minutes), the seat was covered with ice. I pushed it back into
the garage but ended up rolling it straight into my kids' bikes - the front
brake lever was frozen solid. Crap - I guess it was colder than I thought.
I let the bike dry for an hour but was afraid something important would
still be wet and freeze. I then sprayed down all of my cable ends and
linkages with WD-40 before I went out and everything was good.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:43 pm
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Jay C wrote:
> Shoulda stuck with the porn.
That's a given.
Actually, it was going pretty well prior to the sinking. I'm starting to
get an idea of how trails would 'flow' and have two of the four property
markers located.
> Last week, I was going to take my bike for a snow ride. It was still
> covered with mud from my last time out, so I hosed it down. By the time I
> was done (5 minutes), the seat was covered with ice. I pushed it back into
> the garage but ended up rolling it straight into my kids' bikes - the front
> brake lever was frozen solid. Crap - I guess it was colder than I thought.
> I let the bike dry for an hour but was afraid something important would
> still be wet and freeze. I then sprayed down all of my cable ends and
> linkages with WD-40 before I went out and everything was good.
I don't think anything would freeze while in use with the engine heat and
friction from moving parts (suspension, brakes, etc.) will keep those
parts warm. If you prove that theory wrong, be sure to post pictures.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:18 pm
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On 9 Feb 2004, XR650L_Dave wrote:
> OK, colder than my submarining experience (34deg.F for me) but, Cmon,
> the bike didn't even STALL?
Nary a hiccup. The stock airbox was only submerged for a second, so I
doubt it took any water in at all.
> Sheesh, back when I went to school it was uphill both ways...
In the snow, of course.
> My XR200 was very tough to stall in the water, that saved my butt on
> many occaisions.
I had an mx100 once and my buddies and I got the bright idea to try to
ride it (I had the only bike at the time) _under_ water in a creek
crossing. The top of the bars was the only thing sticking out. We tried
repeatedly, and repeatedly had to pull the plug and dry it out. Never did
make it all the way accross. Never cleaned the filter or changed the
tranny oil afterward (or ever) and that bike just kept running and
running.
> Just remember, alcohol in the cold is BAD if you're trying to conserve
> body heat, but GOOD for getting the blood flowing again.
> I almost always have a lighter in a ziplock baggie, just in case. No,
> there's nothing else in the baggie except maybe a train schedule
> (don't cross the tracks without one) and maybe some backwoods cigars.
Considering that I was 1/2 mile from my house, the risk was pretty darn
insignificant. I carry waterproof matches, but I'm gonna add a lighter for
convenience.
Interesting about having a train schedule before crossing the tracks...
the only tracks I cross are a single line and I've always felt safe
looking both ways and then crossing... not a lot of train traffic comes by
though - I've only actually seen a train once or twice while riding that
area. Tried to keep up with it once on that same old mx100. Dumb.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:29 pm
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"Craig Faison" <cfaison DeleteThis @magpage.com> wrote in message
> I don't think anything would freeze while in use with the engine heat and
> friction from moving parts (suspension, brakes, etc.) will keep those
> parts warm. If you prove that theory wrong, be sure to post pictures.
I was mostly concerned with my clutch and/or front brake lever. It would
totally suck to have one of them decide to freeze up 5 miles out.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:56 pm
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"Craig Faison" <cfaison RemoveThis @magpage.com> wrote in message
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> I was only 1/2 mile from my house, but by the time I got there I was
> freezing. I left the bike outside in the sun to dry off and ran in to take
> a hot shower. The timing was funny, since we've been talking about
> spending the night on the trail and that sort of thing... If I would've
> had to spend the night on the trail after taking a swim like that, I'd
> sure hope to have the means to start a good fire to keep warm.
Light the bike on fire. BTW, the burning bike on OAS was
totally staged. The guy who did this was kind of crazy &
did many of the staged stunts in the movie.
> I had something to do, so I left the bike out back and headed out. It was
> just after dusk when I got home and went to push the bike in the garage.
> It wouldn't move... the rear brake had frozen solid. I carried/dragged
When I had bikes with drum brakes, I'd take them for a spin
after washing, doing lots of brake dragging to get the hub
good & hot to dry things out.
> it in and turned on the garage heat. A little later I was able to break it
> free so I left the heat on to dry things out. I'm thinking a little
> disassembly/lube action needs to happen in the next night or two...
For good measure, you better take out the swingarm bolt.
-Jeffrey Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR UTMA BRC COHVCO AMA
'99 ATK 260LQ-Stink Wheels '94 XR650L-DreamSickle
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:05 pm
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Craig Faison <cfaison.DeleteThis@magpage.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting about having a train schedule before crossing the tracks...
> the only tracks I cross are a single line and I've always felt safe
> looking both ways and then crossing... not a lot of train traffic comes by
> though - I've only actually seen a train once or twice while riding that
> area. Tried to keep up with it once on that same old mx100. Dumb.
>
> Craig
I ride on the access road next to some passenger tracks, and like to
be invisible when the train comes so the engineer won't call the cops.
The schedule lets me get out of sight in time.
There's a spot where some of the ATV and bike guys cross to get to
some trails, on a blind turn. The train there does about 65-70mph. One
guy said he looked, no train, crossed, felt WHOOOOSH behind him. The
train was not in sight when he started across, and he just missed
getting hit. All the other guys thought he did get hit. Mind you, he
was wheelie-ing directly across. I will NOT cross those tracks
anywhere except at a crossing, either a public grade crossing or a
maintenance crossing.
There are some single tracks here in CT that service a quarry, and
I'll ride down the middle of them now and then. Back in NY with my
XR200 I was making some time on a long tracks-trip (from Hopewell Jct,
NY into connecticut by way of Brewster NY, all RR track access road
all the way one time) and to avoid a whooped-out section (and to race
some guy in a pickup, I have to admit) I was riding on the stubs of
the ties that stick out on the side, that little about 8" worth of
tie. Well, I crossed a short bridge that way. saw it too late to avoid
it, so I just crossed it. The guy behind me, foolishly doing whatever
I did (yes, Craig, that's a warning for WUDI) bailed off the ties,
slammed on the brakes, the front end washed out, and he came to a stop
with his front wheel dangling over the concrete edge.
Strange, that guy never did ride with me again.
-DDave
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:06 pm
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On 9 Feb 2004 10:49:12 -0800, spamTHISbrp.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (XR650L_Dave) wrote:
>there's nothing else in the baggie
What was supposed to be there?
I carry matches, but I don't smoke... Never had to use the matches, except when a smoker ask for
fire...
>except maybe a train schedule
>(don't cross the tracks without one) and maybe some backwoods cigars.
hehe, my favorite trail includes a river crossing that is only possible riding in the middle of the
train tracks, using the railroad bridge. Once, my buddy Eduardo was almost killed by a train... He
didn't listen to it coming (and if he didn't listened to the *train* how could he listen to me and
Andre yelling?). That was close! Blame on that loud two stroke he was riding by that time! Trains go
by that bridge every saturday, 10:30pm, not a minute less nor a minute more. Good we ride mostly on
sundays, where there isn't any train on that track.
Backwood cigars? yeah...
>-DDave
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Tiago Rocha
Recife - Brasil
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:45 pm
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Tiago Rocha <please.see.link.at.signature.for.email.address.TakeThisOut@zaz.com.br> wrote in message news:<r0mf20dsnrgm60qja6kgpgdeb6cfca8r8u.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
> On 9 Feb 2004 10:49:12 -0800, spamTHISbrp.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (XR650L_Dave) wrote:
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> >there's nothing else in the baggie
>
> What was supposed to be there?
Well, Tiago, some of the RMD crew have been known to indulge in
substances other than alcohol and tobacco, if you get my drift <Shock!
Horror!>. I've never smoked the devil-weed myself, but my opinion is
that a little now and then is probably pretty safe other than the
unfiltered-cigarette aspect of it. People can, and have had some
around me and it doesn't bug me, and doesn't really affect how I think
of whomever it may be. Its just something I never started doing.
Personally, I think they should legalize it, but also tax it, regulate
it, and prosecute you if you drive under the influence (Note: I don't
think this about other drugs).
As with the legal recreational drug alcohol, I'm sure that too much
indulgence can be bad for you, and there's also the fact that what
people smoke nowadays is MUCH stronger than what used to be available.
Who knows, if they started selling a concentrated form of it, maybe it
would be as bad as, say, cocaine, which doesn't have nearly as much
effect on someone when taken in its 'natural' form (chewing the
leaves), as it does in its concentrated/refined form.
Next week, we'll explain what a BLUNT is.
Honestly, not trying to start another 200-post diatribe,
-DDave
PS you wouldn't believe how little nicotine makes up a lethal dose!
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/#MSDS" target="_blank">http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/#MSDS</a>
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Nicotine- Toxicology: Poison - may be fatal if inhaled, swallowed or
absorbed through the skin. Readily absorbed through the skin. Typical
PEL 0.08 ppm (permissable exposure limit).
Toxicity data: ORL-RAT LD50 50 mg kg-1
Cannabinol- Toxicology:May be harmful or act as an irritant -
toxicology not fully investigated.
Caffeine- Toxicology: Harmful if swallowed. Experimental teratogen
(genetic damage to a developing fetus). Irritant in humans. May affect
CNS.
The LD-50 for these drugs and information on alcohol(hint-lookup ethyl
alcohol) is left as an exercise for the student.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:52 pm
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>and maybe some backwoods cigars.
>-DDave
For the uninitiated, Backwoods Cigars are a Tobacco Valley (CT) favorite of us
(former) locals. Smooth & sweet, they ain't no Cuban, but mighty tasty....hey
Dave, if I send you a few bucks, will you send me out a pack or 5?
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wudscrasher.RemoveThis@aol.com (Wudscrasher) wrote in message news:<20040209155248.19290.00001202.RemoveThis@mb-m26.aol.com>...
> >and maybe some backwoods cigars.
> >-DDave
>
> For the uninitiated, Backwoods Cigars are a Tobacco Valley (CT) favorite of us
> (former) locals. Smooth & sweet, they ain't no Cuban, but mighty tasty....hey
> Dave, if I send you a few bucks, will you send me out a pack or 5?
>
> --Chris M.
Wellsure, I can also reccommend the scranton PA "AVANTI" cigars, soaked in anisette.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:36 pm
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"Craig Faison" <cfaison RemoveThis @magpage.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Jay C wrote:
>
> > Shoulda stuck with the porn.
>
> That's a given.
>
> Actually, it was going pretty well prior to the sinking. I'm starting to
> get an idea of how trails would 'flow' and have two of the four property
> markers located.
>
> > Last week, I was going to take my bike for a snow ride. It was still
> > covered with mud from my last time out, so I hosed it down. By the time
I
> > was done (5 minutes), the seat was covered with ice. I pushed it back
into
> > the garage but ended up rolling it straight into my kids' bikes - the
front
> > brake lever was frozen solid. Crap - I guess it was colder than I
thought.
> > I let the bike dry for an hour but was afraid something important would
> > still be wet and freeze. I then sprayed down all of my cable ends and
> > linkages with WD-40 before I went out and everything was good.
>
> I don't think anything would freeze while in use with the engine heat and
> friction from moving parts (suspension, brakes, etc.) will keep those
> parts warm. If you prove that theory wrong, be sure to post pictures.
>
> Craig
>
Had the truck doors freeze shut and the windshield wiper arms freeze up
once. That's while driving with the heat on. Broke the door panel kicking
on the door to get out to try to thaw the windshield wipers.
This is, of course, supposed to go in the thread about the 4x4 offroad
spending the night on the trail thread. Truck was left in the woods, second
truck stuck in barbwire, third truck made it out.
It gets better. It was my dad's truck. Brightest idea the next day was to
pour coffee on the windshield and around the wiper arm hole. Cracked the
windshield.
....and better. Believe it or not, I was the smartest off the bunch. Truck
one was in front and hooked up with a chain. Didn't work. Truck two was
behind, hooked up with a chain. Tried reversing, didn't work. I suggested
'back and forth', obviously not both at the same time. They tried their
directions at the same time. 1978 Dodge PowerWagons are indestructable.
Chain on truck one broke. Truck two left the front cross member attached to
the chain and made it halfway back up the hill before he stopped. The Dodge
remained firmly planted in frozen mud. Shovels making a canal to drain the
water and unearthing the wheels eventually got it out. The brakes were
frozen, as were the locking hubs. Couldn't get out of fourwheel drive once
we got out of the woods.
Ahhh. Miss the good ol' days.
Don't have pictures...
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:58 am
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>Wellsure, I can also reccommend the scranton PA "AVANTI" cigars, soaked in
>anisette.
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>-DDave
Will they make me see gargoyles, and other monsters that aren't there? never
heard of Anisette, but I know I don't like it...let's stick w/ the Backwoods,
eh?
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