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Tiago Rocha

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:34 am
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Well, finally the motorcycle shop finished painting and installing the
rear disk brake on my bike. As nothing is perfect, bike came without
the rim lock and battery wasn't charging. My bike does not have a kick
start, so I need the battery to be fully charged at all times. Also,
the electric design of my bike depends on either the battery or the
charger system to power the CDI. If it is not charging, bike dies as
soon as I disconnect any battery cable. I spent a good portion of the
saturday tracing the problem to the starter relay connector.

The bike is beautiful! http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr.jpg
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr2.jpg
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/brake.jpg

Sunday I went for a ride with my friend Gabriel and the XLX350R that
we split the cases to replace shift shaft and countersprocket shaft.
We invited some other friends, but nobody wanted/could go, so we went
just we 2.

We left my home early, before 7am. A quick stop on the gasoline
station, as Gabriel's bike low on fuel. Float stuck, let a puddle of
gas under his bike (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/
posto.jpg). We went to our usual playground, the jar trail, itapuama
beach (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/
itapuama1.jpg http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama2.jpg),
enseada beach and then, zombie woods. Gabriel (http://
paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/zumbi.jpg), leading,
almost ran over a huge frog (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/
diariodastrilhas/sapo.jpg)... We arrived at the steep hillclimb on the
middle of the woods and Gabriel was first, choosing a poor line, that
made me go up there and help him. When I returned, I noticed the
starter motor was not turning with it's full power, so I figured that
I had charging problems again. Since the engine was already running, I
climbed the hill and stopped up there to remove left side number plate
cover (all electrics except rectifier are there) and check on the
starter relay. Thing was melting, burned four out of the five fuses
the bike have and the battery was almost hotter than the engine!
Things turned bad, bike refused to start even going downhill trying to
bump start. Oh well, ride is over... Sad

I never leave home without a rope. It has saved a lot of headache in
the past and it is easy to carry anyway, so... I tied my bike on
Gabriel's and off we went. We found some friends down on zombie woods,
chatted a little and we took our way.

At the old dutch road we stopped to look for mangoes, it's mango
season and even though mangoes are not native, portuguese, english and
dutch people who lived on this part of the world centuries ago loved
mangoes, because there are mango trees everywhere. The mango season is
once a year and has just started!

That's when the real trouble began. Previous on the towing, Gabriel
made a too fast turn, my bike was all over the place and I was very
lucky to not let it go - it could cause both of us to crash and we
were fast enough to get hurt... I told him, slow, slow, slow, be very
careful on turns, I often can't make the turn as wide as who's towing,
who's been towed must keep the rope under tension to avoid it get
caught by wheels but can't brake too much because it may cause who is
towing to crash, etc... Gabriel tried to cross a narrow bridge over a
narrow but deep creek. The sudden turn made me loose control, I
dropped my bike right when Gabriel was in the middle of the bridge and
him and bike went under the water. He was lucky to not get trapped
under bike, under water...

His bike was completely submerged. After lots of pushing and sweating,
five guys came by, riding bycicles. They were harvesting the mangoes
and bikes were full of them. They helped us pushing the bike back up,
but it sat too much time under water. The gas tank was full of water,
all the gasoline went into the creek. No way that bike would start
again. The oil stain on the water was huge, we figured out that the
oil was gone as well... Not to mention the cylinder and carburetor
full of water... Well, looked like my tow needed a tow!

With both bikes broken, we had no options but walk and push bikes. It
could get worse, because now, middle of summer, the temperatures are
high... But yesterday it was cloudy, it was even pouring short showers
to cool us down... We walked and pushed to the nearest village - not
far, luck us - and found a public telephone... We called a friend and
he came riding his XLR125.

We did a very crazy thing: The XLR guy tied a rope between his bike
and Gabriel's and I tied a rope between mine and Gabriel's. The little
125 would push two bikes!

We got home... Wet, cold, sore all over from pulling bike out creek
and pushing so much... We had some beer and some crab meat that went
great with ultra hot red pepper and manioc flour.

Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the
temptation of drowning him in a bucket of grease or if I forget the
mechanic and try to fix myself... I think I am buying a new starter
relay, trace all wires back to the stator, measure resistance and
voltage and see what happens, the grease bucket thing is too strong in
my mind for me to talk with that guy anytime soon...

-- Tiago

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:01 am
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correct links:

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr.jpg
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr2.jpg
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/brake.jpg

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/posto.jpg

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama1.jpg
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama2.jpg

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/zumbi.jpg

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/sapo.jpg

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:30 am
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On Jan 14, 1:08 pm, Volker Bartheld <dr_vers....DeleteThis@freenet.de> wrote:
> Hi Tiago!
>
> > [RR ending with: 1 XR with electric-malfunction, the other drowned]
> > We called a friend and he came riding his XLR125.
> > We did a very crazy thing: The XLR guy tied a rope between his bike
> > and Gabriel's and I tied a rope between mine and Gabriel's. The little
> > 125 would push two bikes!
>
> YIKES! That must have been a view... Did the poor XLR at least sieze a
> piston due to overheating...? Wink

When almost home, it started to smoke a little, but the bike is a '98,
friend rides it everyday to work, it smokes some when very hot. Also,
it made some weird - to me - noises, not sure if those are normal on
that bike... Smile

> [X] SEND PICS!

When I saw my friend in the water, I only removed helmet and jumped in
the creek. It was neck high deep (I am 179cm tall). I was with a fanny
pack, with my wallet and -- camera. The thing is good, resisted
drowning, but I had to let it dry... This morning, the camera "fired
up" just fine! I wish I had a picture of the bike with just the tip of
the exhaust out of water!

> > Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the
> > temptation of drowning him in a bucket of grease or if I forget the
> > mechanic and try to fix myself...
>
> Since this is a logical "OR" condition: Yes! Do so. Give the mech what he
> deserves, then grab a new relay and some fuses out of his shelf and repair
> the bike yourself!

I still owe him R$345, that's about USD150. I think I will take some
time and go there only next week. The shop is far from home and I
don't have a pickup or trailer. I'd have to ask a friend to rent a
trailer - because my car doesn't have a hitch - or risk riding there
and get caught by police and losing bike to depot.
Easier and less painful to me to fix myself.

>
> Hope the next ride will be more rewarding!

me too!

-- Tiago
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:28 am
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"Tiago Rocha" <diariodastrilhas.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, finally the motorcycle shop finished painting and installing the
> rear disk brake on my bike.

A painted rear disk? How did that work out for you? Smile

Sorry to hear of your electrical woes. At least the battery didn't explode.
Glad to hear your friend didn't drown.

Personally, fixing the electrics yourself sounds like a good learning
experience. You must have a short somewhere that you can track down. My
bets are on a knuckle dragging bike mechanic pinching a wire somewhere. I
suppose it's also possible that the starter is shorting. Either way,
isolating a short should not be too difficult.

-Jeff-
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:53 am
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Thanks for sharing, Tiago.
I'm sorry that your ride report ended up in a "pushing" report.
(I have never participated in a "two bike" tow. Wow! That's almost
as good a friend who would help one move a body.)

Good luck in your mechanical search.
I'd first look for a place where he either crosses some wire plugs
incorrectly, or a place where he mashed a wire when putting it all
back together.

Jack Bondus just called me from Minnesota. He said the it was 0F
with the wind chill being -19F. Brrrr!
For my ride yesterday, it started off around 45F, got up to about 65F,
and then back to about 48F by the time we quit, just before dark. We
got in almost 7 hours of woods time riding and marking new trail.

Good Wrenching and Riding to you!

Jim
'06 GasGas DE300
Team LAGNAF


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>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:34:44 -0800 (PST), Tiago Rocha <diariodastrilhas.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>Well, finally the motorcycle shop finished painting and installing the
>rear disk brake on my bike. As nothing is perfect, bike came without
>the rim lock and battery wasn't charging. My bike does not have a kick
>start, so I need the battery to be fully charged at all times. Also,
>the electric design of my bike depends on either the battery or the
>charger system to power the CDI. If it is not charging, bike dies as
>soon as I disconnect any battery cable. I spent a good portion of the
>saturday tracing the problem to the starter relay connector.
>
>The bike is beautiful! http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr.jpg
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr2.jpg
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/brake.jpg
>
>Sunday I went for a ride with my friend Gabriel and the XLX350R that
>we split the cases to replace shift shaft and countersprocket shaft.
>We invited some other friends, but nobody wanted/could go, so we went
>just we 2.
>
>We left my home early, before 7am. A quick stop on the gasoline
>station, as Gabriel's bike low on fuel. Float stuck, let a puddle of
>gas under his bike (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/
>posto.jpg). We went to our usual playground, the jar trail, itapuama
>beach (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/
>itapuama1.jpg http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama2.jpg),
>enseada beach and then, zombie woods. Gabriel (http://
>paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/zumbi.jpg), leading,
>almost ran over a huge frog (http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/
>diariodastrilhas/sapo.jpg)... We arrived at the steep hillclimb on the
>middle of the woods and Gabriel was first, choosing a poor line, that
>made me go up there and help him. When I returned, I noticed the
>starter motor was not turning with it's full power, so I figured that
>I had charging problems again. Since the engine was already running, I
>climbed the hill and stopped up there to remove left side number plate
>cover (all electrics except rectifier are there) and check on the
>starter relay. Thing was melting, burned four out of the five fuses
>the bike have and the battery was almost hotter than the engine!
>Things turned bad, bike refused to start even going downhill trying to
>bump start. Oh well, ride is over... Sad
>
>I never leave home without a rope. It has saved a lot of headache in
>the past and it is easy to carry anyway, so... I tied my bike on
>Gabriel's and off we went. We found some friends down on zombie woods,
>chatted a little and we took our way.
>
>At the old dutch road we stopped to look for mangoes, it's mango
>season and even though mangoes are not native, portuguese, english and
>dutch people who lived on this part of the world centuries ago loved
>mangoes, because there are mango trees everywhere. The mango season is
>once a year and has just started!
>
>That's when the real trouble began. Previous on the towing, Gabriel
>made a too fast turn, my bike was all over the place and I was very
>lucky to not let it go - it could cause both of us to crash and we
>were fast enough to get hurt... I told him, slow, slow, slow, be very
>careful on turns, I often can't make the turn as wide as who's towing,
>who's been towed must keep the rope under tension to avoid it get
>caught by wheels but can't brake too much because it may cause who is
>towing to crash, etc... Gabriel tried to cross a narrow bridge over a
>narrow but deep creek. The sudden turn made me loose control, I
>dropped my bike right when Gabriel was in the middle of the bridge and
>him and bike went under the water. He was lucky to not get trapped
>under bike, under water...
>
>His bike was completely submerged. After lots of pushing and sweating,
>five guys came by, riding bycicles. They were harvesting the mangoes
>and bikes were full of them. They helped us pushing the bike back up,
>but it sat too much time under water. The gas tank was full of water,
>all the gasoline went into the creek. No way that bike would start
>again. The oil stain on the water was huge, we figured out that the
>oil was gone as well... Not to mention the cylinder and carburetor
>full of water... Well, looked like my tow needed a tow!
>
>With both bikes broken, we had no options but walk and push bikes. It
>could get worse, because now, middle of summer, the temperatures are
>high... But yesterday it was cloudy, it was even pouring short showers
>to cool us down... We walked and pushed to the nearest village - not
>far, luck us - and found a public telephone... We called a friend and
>he came riding his XLR125.
>
>We did a very crazy thing: The XLR guy tied a rope between his bike
>and Gabriel's and I tied a rope between mine and Gabriel's. The little
>125 would push two bikes!
>
>We got home... Wet, cold, sore all over from pulling bike out creek
>and pushing so much... We had some beer and some crab meat that went
>great with ultra hot red pepper and manioc flour.
>
>Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the
>temptation of drowning him in a bucket of grease or if I forget the
>mechanic and try to fix myself... I think I am buying a new starter
>relay, trace all wires back to the stator, measure resistance and
>voltage and see what happens, the grease bucket thing is too strong in
>my mind for me to talk with that guy anytime soon...
>
>-- Tiago
*********************************************


Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
Team LAGNAF
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:17 am
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:56 -0800 (PST), Tiago Rocha
<diariodastrilhas RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>correct links:
>
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr.jpg
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/xr2.jpg
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/brake.jpg
>
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/posto.jpg
>
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama1.jpg
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/itapuama2.jpg
>
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/zumbi.jpg
>
>http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/diariodastrilhas/sapo.jpg
*********************************

What an ugly frog!

Your bike looks beautiful.


Wudsracer/Jim Cook
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'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:26 am
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that's a Big frog, wow...
thanks for the RR

"Tiago Rocha" <di

> Sunday I went for a ride with my friend Gabriel and the XLX350R that

> At the old dutch road we stopped to look for mangoes, it's mango
> season and even though mangoes are not native, portuguese, english and
> dutch people who lived on this part of the world centuries ago loved
> mangoes, because there are mango trees everywhere. The mango season is
> once a year and has just started!

mmm mangoes...

> Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the

take a day or two to simmer down, then talk to mechanic about him
replacing the fried parts and then you install them with his help...
john
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:13 pm
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Hi Tiago!

> [RR ending with: 1 XR with electric-malfunction, the other drowned]
> We called a friend and he came riding his XLR125.
> We did a very crazy thing: The XLR guy tied a rope between his bike
> and Gabriel's and I tied a rope between mine and Gabriel's. The little
> 125 would push two bikes!

YIKES! That must have been a view... Did the poor XLR at least sieze a
piston due to overheating...? Wink

[X] SEND PICS!

> Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the
> temptation of drowning him in a bucket of grease or if I forget the
> mechanic and try to fix myself...

Since this is a logical "OR" condition: Yes! Do so. Give the mech what he
deserves, then grab a new relay and some fuses out of his shelf and repair
the bike yourself!

> I think I am buying a new starter relay, trace all wires back to the
> stator, measure resistance and voltage and see what happens, the grease
> bucket thing is too strong in my mind for me to talk with that guy
> anytime soon...

You are a noble person. Indeed.

Hope the next ride will be more rewarding!

Cheers,
Volker


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:20 pm
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It's a good thing you guys didn't wake up the giant spiders that live
under the bridge. You both could have been left hanging up in the
trees with the mangos. OF
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:59 pm
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On Jan 14, 11:01 am, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> correct links:

I get:

http://paginas.terra.com.br/forbidden.htm

Glad to hear you got the bike out. Hopefully you'll get the issues
resolved shortly and be back in business.

I gather your XR had a drum rear originally? Did it require much
fabrication to make the disk setup fit?

Craig
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In article
<60ab5933-93a9-4e1f-9919-601b0de63022.DeleteThis@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Tiago Rocha <diariodastrilhas.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:



> At the old dutch road we stopped to look for mangoes, it's mango
> season and even though mangoes are not native, portuguese, english and
> dutch people who lived on this part of the world centuries ago loved
> mangoes, because there are mango trees everywhere. The mango season is
> once a year and has just started!

We've become mango lovers here--very tasty!

Thanks for the report, good luck with the repairs. I don't think I'd
take it back to the first mechanic...

--
Charles
'99 YZ250
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On Jan 14, 8:59 pm, Craig <googlegroupm... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 11:01 am, Tiago Rocha <diariodastril... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > correct links:
>
> I get:
>
> http://paginas.terra.com.br/forbidden.htm

Maybe you could copy and paste the link on another browser window. My
ISP does not allow redirection, I mean, I can't post a picture on a
web based forum linked to them. Sometimes, with some ISP, this
happens. I complained a lot, but they does not listen... Sad

> Glad to hear you got the bike out. Hopefully you'll get the issues
> resolved shortly and be back in business.
>
> I gather your XR had a drum rear originally? Did it require much
> fabrication to make the disk setup fit?

Yep, drum... He had to make a part with a flat piece of alluminium to
hold the reservoir and master cylinder and weld a tab on the swingarm
(alluminium as well) to hold the caliper on place. The original axle
and spacers fit perfectly.

-- tiago
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On Jan 14, 6:20 pm, oldfart <alan.westco... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a good thing you guys didn't wake up the giant spiders that live
> under the bridge. You both could have been left hanging up in the
> trees with the mangos. OF

My friend saw a snake under that bridge!!! Snakes eat spiders... Wink
Made me remember an old Raul Seixas song "rock das aranhas" and goes
like:

I climbed on the fence
and saw something not normal
two women put their spiders to fight
two spiders, two spiders
come on woman my snake wants your spider

or something like this Wink

-- tiago
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On Jan 14, 1:26 pm, "john" <n....RemoveThis@this.add> wrote:
> that's a Big frog, wow...
> thanks for the RR
>
> "Tiago Rocha" <di
>
> > Sunday I went for a ride with my friend Gabriel and the XLX350R that
> > At the old dutch road we stopped to look for mangoes, it's mango
> > season and even though mangoes are not native, portuguese, english and
> > dutch people who lived on this part of the world centuries ago loved
> > mangoes, because there are mango trees everywhere. The mango season is
> > once a year and has just started!
>
> mmm mangoes...
>
> > Now, I don't know if I take bike back to mechanic and avoid the
>
> take a day or two to simmer down, then talk to mechanic about him
> replacing the fried parts and then you install them with his help...
> john

I sent the bike to him. A friend come over my home this morning with a
trailer and he will drop my bike there later this morning.

-- Tiago
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:57 am
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On Jan 14, 2:28 pm, "Jeff Deeney" <jeff.nospam.dee... RemoveThis @hp.com> wrote:
> "Tiago Rocha" <diariodastril... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:60ab5933-93a9-4e1f-9919-601b0de63022@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Well, finally the motorcycle shop finished painting and installing the
> > rear disk brake on my bike.
>
> A painted rear disk? How did that work out for you? Smile

Goes great with the speed stickers!

>
> Sorry to hear of your electrical woes. At least the battery didn't explode.
> Glad to hear your friend didn't drown.
>
> Personally, fixing the electrics yourself sounds like a good learning
> experience. You must have a short somewhere that you can track down. My
> bets are on a knuckle dragging bike mechanic pinching a wire somewhere. I
> suppose it's also possible that the starter is shorting. Either way,
> isolating a short should not be too difficult.

I kind of enjoy electrics... But this time I will let the guy sort his
mess. It was an expensive painting!

>
> -Jeff-
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