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wamanning

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:50 am
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i'm getting back into it after a 20+ year layoff, so i'm basically a
noob.

got some questions about ergos these days. background: i'm a long-
time competitive bicyclist and still train alot, race often, and do
centuries spending many hours in the saddle.

back to motorcycles: i'm thinking something in the 500-650 range to
start. i like the concept of a do-everything bike, say like the kaw
versys or suz v-strom and such. and everyone always says how
comfortable the positions are for all-day riding and great they are
for bike control.

so i go to a few dealers to check out various bikes. i start with the
versys and v-strom and i feel so...upright. it's totally unnatural
and i dont feel like i'm in a good position to control the bike, my
weight feels too far back. strange. then i check out some sport-
bikes, and the positions w/ the clip-ons feels...right. very natural,
my weight over the bike, i'm involved and feel in control.

and dont get me started on cruisers. they feel terribly unnatural to
me. it's like i'm driving a truck or something and only remotely
involved in directional control.

so what's the deal?

i'm guessing all my time in the pitched forward position on my racing
bicycle has my body and brain pretty much dialed in for a more forward
position.

i'd appreciate other inputs and observations on motorcycle ergos.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:47 pm
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wamanning.DeleteThis@email.com wrote:

>
> back to motorcycles: i'm thinking something in the 500-650 range to
> start. i like the concept of a do-everything bike, say like the kaw
> versys or suz v-strom and such. and everyone always says how
> comfortable the positions are for all-day riding and great they are
> for bike control.
>
> so i go to a few dealers to check out various bikes. i start with the
> versys and v-strom and i feel so...upright. it's totally unnatural
> and i dont feel like i'm in a good position

If you like the stinkbug position, then there are many 600 bikes out
there. While you were in the showroom, why didn't you try a middle
weight sportbike?

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wamanning

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:15 pm
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On Oct 13, 6:47 pm, Paul Cassel <pcasselremo....DeleteThis@comremovecast.net>
wrote:
> If you like the stinkbug position, then there are many 600 bikes out
> there. While you were in the showroom, why didn't you try a middle
> weight sportbike?

uh...i did:

"then i check out some sport-bikes, and the positions w/ the clip-ons
feels...right. very natural,
my weight over the bike, i'm involved and feel in control."
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:09 pm
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<wamanning DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 13, 6:47 pm, Paul Cassel <pcasselremo... DeleteThis @comremovecast.net>
> wrote:
>> If you like the stinkbug position, then there are many 600 bikes out
>> there. While you were in the showroom, why didn't you try a middle
>> weight sportbike?
>
> uh...i did:
>
> "then i check out some sport-bikes, and the positions w/ the clip-ons
> feels...right. very natural,
> my weight over the bike, i'm involved and feel in control."
>
Most people don't find the sport bike ergos conducive to 600 mile days, but
given your background, you may be an exception. I find my upright position
on my BMW R1150R quite comfortable for a 15 hour day in the saddle. I've
had mixed results with Harleys and cruisers. Mostly, the laid back
orientation gets to my lower spine and tail bone after 2 hours, but the
Roadglide is quite comfortable ( like a lawn tractor) on long hauls.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:36 am
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:50:26 -0700, wamanning.TakeThisOut@email.com wrote:

>i'm getting back into it after a 20+ year layoff, so i'm basically a
>noob.
<snip>
>i'd appreciate other inputs and observations on motorcycle ergos.

Find a GSX-F750 (Not GSXR) to test ride. I think it's for you.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:28 pm
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wamanning DeleteThis @email.com wrote:

>"then i check out some sport-bikes, and the positions w/ the clip-ons
>feels...right. very natural,
>my weight over the bike, i'm involved and feel in control."

ergonomics: Design factors, as for the workplace, intended to maximize
productivity by minimizing operator fatigue and discomfort.

What's you idea of a motorcycle ride? Do you want to ride for half an hour,
going as fast as you can, or do you really want all day ergos?

Motorcyclist or Sport Rider magazine used to publish photos with ergo
dimensions laid over the motorcycle in an inverted triangle.

The base of the triangle was almost the almost horizontal seat line, rising
only slightly to the level of the handlebars in uncomfortable sportbikes.

The ergo triangle was dimensioned. A motorcycle had uncomfortable ergonomics
is the average rider had a long reach to the handlebars, or they weren't much
higher than his butt.

The ergo triangle didn't necessarily follow the angle of the seat, but some
sportbikes have steeply angled seats that cause the rider's family jewels to
slide down against the gas tank on a regular basis.

A vertical line descended to the footpegs. The dimension from a rider's knee
to the sole of his boot needs to be 18 inches or thereabouts so the rider's
leg wouldn't have to be bent upward from the hip.

A Ricky Racer who rides on the highway like he rides on a race track would
like the footpegs to be as high as possible so he can raise his butt off the
seat and slide back and forth across it as he went through a series of ess
curves.

Most casual riders would find this high footpeg position *ergonomically*
tortuous.

I lowered the foot pegs on both of my sportbikes an inch or two in order to
straighten my legs out.

The third line of the ergonomic triangle is the hypotenuse, running from
handlebar to footpeg. If the footpegs are high and far back, the rider's leg
is bent and this may cut off circulation.

But Ricky Racer doesn't care about that, he puts the ball of his foot on the
foot peg instead of keeping his foot in position to operate the brake pedal
and the
shift lever.

The Ricky Racer's idea is to use all of the lean angle the motorcycle is
capable of, without grinding his toes off.

The first ergonomically uncomfortable sportbikes of the mid-1980's led many
riders to question whether they really wanted cornering performance that
turned the motorcycle into a torture rack in half an hour of vigorous riding.

Sport touring motorcycles with less extreme ergonomics began to appear.

The Honda VFR750 and VFR800 and Suzuki's second Katana series and the RF
series were examples of more ergonomically comfortable sport tourers.

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Jim Walker

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:09 pm
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so what's the deal?
i'm guessing all my time in the pitched forward position on my racing
bicycle has my body and brain pretty much dialed in for a more forward
position.
------------------------------------
no, its not the same because, you're not pedaling a mc.. you're just
sitting there. therefore, a straight up position would probably be
more comfortable. i ride v-strom and it works ok for me. btw, i
lowered my 05 v-strom 7/8'' frt. & rear for ez on - off..

motorpsycho jim
clms. oh.
05 v-strom 1k
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