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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:06 pm
Post subject: One way to resolve the perceived "midget problem"
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:18 am
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On Oct 4, 8:45 am, "j doll" wrote:
> You mean push starts?
Le Mans Start:
Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
start race.
It works for grids of 60+ in World Endurance. Most of the time.. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:45 am
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
> Go back to LeMans starts.
You mean push starts?
Nobody could get the bikes started as they currently exist.
Right now if you crash, then you better hope you can get back before the
motor dies or your day is done, Cost Hayden points in the rain races where
he fell. >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:33 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:24 am
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"RealMart" wrote in message
> On Oct 4, 8:45 am, "j doll" wrote:
>> You mean push starts?
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> Le Mans Start:
>
> Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
> a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
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> Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
> start race.
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> It works for grids of 60+ in World Endurance. Most of the time..
>
Dude I know what a :Le Mans start is.
They never used them in GP racing. Up until the mid 80's
it was a dead engine start bikes and riders on the grid.
So you can't go back to what you've never done.... >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:43 am
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On Oct 4, 9:03 am, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:18:11 -0700, RealMart
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> wrote:
> >On Oct 4, 8:45 am, "j doll" wrote:
> >> You mean push starts?
>
> >Le Mans Start:
>
> >Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
> >a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
>
> >Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
> >start race.
>
> Yes, yes, we all know what a Le Mans start is.
>
> What you've not explained is how this might 'resolve the percieved
> "midget problem"'
> --
> Champ
> neal at champ dot org dot uk
midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
man-handle a bike.
slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
starting them.
i like the idea, but it'll never happen. >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:13 am
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:18:11 -0700, RealMart
wrote:
>On Oct 4, 8:45 am, "j doll" wrote:
>> You mean push starts?
>
>Le Mans Start:
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>Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
>a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
>
>Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
>start race.
Yes, yes, we all know what a Le Mans start is.
What you've not explained is how this might 'resolve the percieved
"midget problem"'
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:07 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:52 pm
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On Oct 4, 2:07 pm, "just bob" wrote:
> "Alexey" wrote in message
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> > On Oct 3, 10:06 pm, "Carl Sundquist" wrote:
> >> Go back to LeMans starts.
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> > What's the problem you're trying to solve?
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> Not enough riders eating pizza and beer.
Maybe, short of doing a bike/rider minimum weight rule instead of bike-
only minimum weight, we could have minimum rider weight and girth
measurements in WSBK (real world-based racing) and anything goes in
Moto GP...  >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:03 pm
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wrote in message
> midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
> man-handle a bike.
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> slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
> starting them.
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> i like the idea, but it'll never happen.
>
I dunno 'bout that not runnin' fast thing, but I can imagine the difficulty
a flyweight might have bumpin' one of those 13, or 14:1 engines over. Heh,
it could comical 'purdy quick! >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:20 pm
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"T3" wrote in message
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> wrote in message
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>> midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
>> man-handle a bike.
>>
>> slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
>> starting them.
>>
>> i like the idea, but it'll never happen.
>>
> I dunno 'bout that not runnin' fast thing, but I can imagine the
> difficulty a flyweight might have bumpin' one of those 13, or 14:1 engines
> over. Heh, it could comical 'purdy quick!
How much harder would it be than kickstarting a 450cc MX'er? They're running
a claimed 12.3 compression, stock. >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:36 pm
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:09 -0700, wamanning.RemoveThis@email.com wrote:
>> >> You mean push starts?
>>
>> >Le Mans Start:
>>
>> >Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
>> >a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
>>
>> >Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
>> >start race.
>>
>> Yes, yes, we all know what a Le Mans start is.
>>
>> What you've not explained is how this might 'resolve the percieved
>> "midget problem"'
>> --
>> Champ
>> neal at champ dot org dot uk
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>midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
>man-handle a bike.
>
>slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
>starting them.
Endurance races haven't used bump starts for 20 years.
And, has been pointed out elsewhere, the current generation of MotoGP
bikes run such high compression that you wouldn't bump start it if you
were weighed 20 stone [1].
[1] 280lbs for US residents
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:51 pm
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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> "T3" wrote in message
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>> wrote in message
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>>> midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
>>> man-handle a bike.
>>>
>>> slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
>>> starting them.
>>>
>>> i like the idea, but it'll never happen.
>>>
>> I dunno 'bout that not runnin' fast thing, but I can imagine the
>> difficulty a flyweight might have bumpin' one of those 13, or 14:1
>> engines over. Heh, it could comical 'purdy quick!
>
> How much harder would it be than kickstarting a 450cc MX'er? They're
> running a claimed 12.3 compression, stock.
They're not really easy either, especially not when hot and with the carbon
brakes in MGP I'm thinkin' those motors would be warm too. In any event and
no matter how cool an idea, or how funny it could get, it ain't gonna
happen... >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:36 pm
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On Oct 4, 10:53 am, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:09 -0700, wamann....DeleteThis@email.com wrote:
> >> >> You mean push starts?
>
> >> >Le Mans Start:
>
> >> >Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in
> >> >a line down the other side of the start finish straight.
>
> >> >Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and
> >> >start race.
>
> >> Yes, yes, we all know what a Le Mans start is.
>
> >> What you've not explained is how this might 'resolve the percieved
> >> "midget problem"'
> >> --
> >> Champ
> >> neal at champ dot org dot uk
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> >midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to
> >man-handle a bike.
>
> >slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump-
> >starting them.
>
> Endurance races haven't used bump starts for 20 years.
>
> And, has been pointed out elsewhere, the current generation of MotoGP
> bikes run such high compression that you wouldn't bump start it if you
> were weighed 20 stone [1].
Sure, but they also have quite fancy engine management and even engine
braking systems. So it'd keep the throttle plate fully open and fuel
injectors off until you pushed it up to ten miles an hour, you jump on
top, it ramps the throttle closed and gives it some gas and off you
go.
It's not the 80s any more.
-jake >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:38 pm
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"Jake" wrote in message
> On Oct 4, 10:53 am, Champ wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:09 -0700, wamann....TakeThisOut@email.com wrote:
<snip>
>> And, has been pointed out elsewhere, the current generation of MotoGP
>> bikes run such high compression that you wouldn't bump start it if you
>> were weighed 20 stone [1].
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> Sure, but they also have quite fancy engine management and even engine
> braking systems. So it'd keep the throttle plate fully open and fuel
> injectors off until you pushed it up to ten miles an hour, you jump on
> top, it ramps the throttle closed and gives it some gas and off you
> go.
>
> It's not the 80s any more.
>
> -jake
>No it sure isn't
The bikes have gotten "dumbed down" so much that
a certain amount of rider skill as been negated.Even Rossi has mentioned
it...
And he rode 500's when they had been made much less fierce than the 80's
Yeah I'm sure that with a bit of wizard work you could get the current bikes
to bump start.
But as they sit right now you can't very easily. You noticed the start carts
that are universal now? Nobody bumps their MotoGP to life, even the
mechanics don't bother >> Stay informed about: One way to resolve the perceived ""midget problem"" |
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