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In article ,
barbz wrote:

> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!

=

The story:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.D
TL

A map:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=37.826463,-122.290535&spn=0.04054
2,0.046949&t=h&om=1

I-80 going north is I-80 to the rest of the country. I-80 going west is
the feeder to the Bay Bridge. The accident appears to have happened
right on the "580" shield in the middle.

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
wrote:

>In article ,
> barbz wrote:
>
>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>
>yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire. It'll
>be a mess tomorrow morning.

Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.

Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!

Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.

Al Moore
DoD 734
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On Apr 29, 5:07 pm, Alan Moore wrote:

> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>
> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.

Today doesn't sound so bad. They offered free rides
on BART and the ferries and reported lighter than usual
traffic. San Francisco has always been famous for an
abundance of ferries.
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In article ,
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

> On Apr 29, 5:07 pm, Alan Moore wrote:
>
> > Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
> >
> > Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
> > traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>
> Today doesn't sound so bad. They offered free rides
> on BART and the ferries and reported lighter than usual
> traffic. San Francisco has always been famous for an
> abundance of ferries.

haha.

Actually, the opening of the Golden Gate bridge caused a lot of the
ferries to get all mad an so they left in a huff and a puff.

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Alan Moore wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> barbz wrote:
>>
>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire. It'll
>> be a mess tomorrow morning.
>
> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>
> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>
> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>
> Al Moore
> DoD 734

This makes me feel a whole lot better!

"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
fiery blaze."

Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=...IU&SECT

--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)

"Keep fighting for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't forget to
have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous,
ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can
produce."

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:22:15 -0700, Timberwoof
wrote:

>In article ,
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>
>> On Apr 29, 5:07 pm, Alan Moore wrote:
>>
>> > Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>> >
>> > Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>> > traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>
>> Today doesn't sound so bad. They offered free rides
>> on BART and the ferries and reported lighter than usual
>> traffic. San Francisco has always been famous for an
>> abundance of ferries.
>
>haha.
>
>Actually, the opening of the Golden Gate bridge caused a lot of the
>ferries to get all mad an so they left in a huff and a puff.

Yeah, I think the total capacity of all the ferries running today is
about the same as that of one or two of the ones I rode between SF and
Oakland as a kid. They were big -- drive on-drive off ferries.

Al Moore
DoD 734
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 10:20:09 -0700, barbz
wrote:

>Alan Moore wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> barbz wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire. It'll
>>> be a mess tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>>
>> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>>
>> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>
>> Al Moore
>> DoD 734
>
>This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>
>"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
>truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
>criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
>brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
>fiery blaze."
>
>Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
>That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=CADIU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Looks like it may have had more to do with the truck than with the
driver: http://tinyurl.com/2t645u

Until someone demonstrates driver error as the cause. I intend to keep
an open mind. The trucking firm would appear to have other problems.

Al Moore
DoD 734
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barbz wrote:
> Alan Moore wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> barbz wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire.
>>> It'll be a mess tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>>
>> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>>
>> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>
>> Al Moore
>> DoD 734
>
> This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>
> "OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
> truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
> criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
> brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
> fiery blaze."
>
> Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
> That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=...IU&SECT
>
>

Seems the guy had actually turned his life around pretty well up to this
point. Are you saying that he should have been denied an opportunity
because of mistakes made years ago?
I guess that there is no hope for anyone with a record in your eyes.
My daughter is dealing with this attitude right now. She wants to do the
right thing and get her life on track. No one will hire her.

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

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In article ,
Paul Elliot wrote:

> barbz wrote:
> > Alan Moore wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article ,
> >>> barbz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
> >>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire.
> >>> It'll be a mess tomorrow morning.
> >>
> >> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
> >>
> >> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
> >>
> >> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
> >> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
> >>
> >> Al Moore
> >> DoD 734
> >
> > This makes me feel a whole lot better!
> >
> > "OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
> > truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
> > criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
> > brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
> > fiery blaze."
> >
> > Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
> > That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
> > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=...IU&SECT
> >
> >
>
> Seems the guy had actually turned his life around pretty well up to this
> point. Are you saying that he should have been denied an opportunity
> because of mistakes made years ago?
> I guess that there is no hope for anyone with a record in your eyes.
> My daughter is dealing with this attitude right now. She wants to do the
> right thing and get her life on track. No one will hire her.

Perhaps he should not have been denied a truck license on account of his
long past drug use. He certainly should not have been certified to haul
flammable substances until he had several more years of experience
hauling less-dangerous cargo. Had he dumped a truckful of sand that
night, it would have been a mere inconvenience.

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Paul Elliot wrote:
> barbz wrote:
>> Alan Moore wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> barbz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>>>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire.
>>>> It'll be a mess tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>>>
>>> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>>>
>>> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>>> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>>
>>> Al Moore
>>> DoD 734
>>
>> This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>>
>> "OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
>> truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
>> criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
>> brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
>> fiery blaze."
>>
>> Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
>> That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=...IU&SECT
>>
>>
>
> Seems the guy had actually turned his life around pretty well up to this
> point. Are you saying that he should have been denied an opportunity
> because of mistakes made years ago?
> I guess that there is no hope for anyone with a record in your eyes.
> My daughter is dealing with this attitude right now. She wants to do the
> right thing and get her life on track. No one will hire her.
>
Perhaps driving a truck isn't the best pursuit for his life.
Or flying airplanes, driving a school bus, that sort of thing. There are
jobs that won't put other people's lives in danger.

So he was trying to turn his life around. Fine. But, look what happened.

--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)

"Keep fighting for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't forget to
have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous,
ridicule the fraidy-cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can
produce."

--Molly Ivins
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barbz wrote:
> Paul Elliot wrote:
>> barbz wrote:
>>> Alan Moore wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> barbz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>>>>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire.
>>>>> It'll be a mess tomorrow morning.
>>>>
>>>> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>>>>
>>>> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>>>> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>>>
>>>> Al Moore
>>>> DoD 734
>>>
>>> This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>>>
>>> "OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
>>> truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
>>> criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
>>> brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
>>> fiery blaze."
>>>
>>> Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
>>> That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
>>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE=...IU&SECT
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems the guy had actually turned his life around pretty well up to this
>> point. Are you saying that he should have been denied an opportunity
>> because of mistakes made years ago?
>> I guess that there is no hope for anyone with a record in your eyes.
>> My daughter is dealing with this attitude right now. She wants to do the
>> right thing and get her life on track. No one will hire her.
>>
> Perhaps driving a truck isn't the best pursuit for his life.
> Or flying airplanes, driving a school bus, that sort of thing. There are
> jobs that won't put other people's lives in danger.
>
> So he was trying to turn his life around. Fine. But, look what happened.
>

How nice of you to hang him before the trial. The investigation is still
going on and he has NOT been charged with anything Barb. Sure would not
want your "open" mind on my jury.
Sheesh...

--
Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics
German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics
French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

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On May 1, 7:45 pm, Alan Moore wrote:
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 10:20:09 -0700, barbz
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Alan Moore wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> In article ,
> >>> barbz wrote:
>
> >>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
> >>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire. It'll
> >>> be a mess tomorrow morning.
>
> >> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>
> >> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>
> >> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
> >> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>
> >> Al Moore
> >> DoD 734
>
> >This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>
> >"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
> >truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
> >criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
> >brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
> >fiery blaze."
>
> >Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
> >That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE...
>
> Looks like it may have had more to do with the truck than with the
> driver:http://tinyurl.com/2t645u
>
> Until someone demonstrates driver error as the cause. I intend to keep
> an open mind. The trucking firm would appear to have other problems.

Repeated brake safety violations on a gasoline tanker.
That's really pretty special.
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On 2 May 2007 11:29:28 -0700, Rob Kleinschmidt
wrote:

>On May 1, 7:45 pm, Alan Moore wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 May 2007 10:20:09 -0700, barbz
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Alan Moore wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:25:17 -0700, muddy cat
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>> In article ,
>> >>> barbz wrote:
>>
>> >>>> I read that one of the feeders to the Bay Bridge MELTED!
>> >>> yep, it was on the news this morning. A tanker truck caught fire. It'll
>> >>> be a mess tomorrow morning.
>>
>> >> Worse for the afternoon/evening commute.
>>
>> >> Imagine, 2007 levels of traffic reduced to the 1940s street grid!
>>
>> >> Actually, I believe there's a freeway route around for some of the
>> >> traffic, but it's going to be hellacious even so.
>>
>> >> Al Moore
>> >> DoD 734
>>
>> >This makes me feel a whole lot better!
>>
>> >"OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Lawmakers want to know how an inexperienced
>> >truck driver with multiple felony convictions was able to pass a
>> >criminal background check and get clearance to drive the tanker that
>> >brought down one of Northern California's most traveled highways in a
>> >fiery blaze."
>>
>> >Guy had a history of drug abuse. Did time for heroin possession.
>> >That's the kind of guy I want to share the road with...sheesh!
>> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CA_HIGHWAY_COLLAPSE_CAOL-?SITE...
>>
>> Looks like it may have had more to do with the truck than with the
>> driver:http://tinyurl.com/2t645u
>>
>> Until someone demonstrates driver error as the cause. I intend to keep
>> an open mind. The trucking firm would appear to have other problems.
>
>Repeated brake safety violations on a gasoline tanker.
>That's really pretty special.

Enough to drive a man to drink. Or even the hard stuff.

Al Moore
DoD 734
>
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