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>> > Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
>
>> What value?

>Indeed. I expect to get only about $19,500 or so for the bike.

Man, you must know people who are really stupid but have LOADS of
money.....


>> Take a look at the E-bay "completed listings" sometime
>> and see how well they "hold their value."

>And of course, everyone knows that not only is eBay representative of
>the market for Harleys, it is, in fact, the ONLY place to go for
>determining the value of used Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

No, but it gives you a fair idea what they are worth if you don't know
someone really stupid with LOADS of money.
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>> Good decision.
>>
>> Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.- Hide quoted
>> text -

>Certainly calling it a "Hardly" is not indicative any kind of
>constructive "support."

Sure it is. Him cheerleading your decision is quite supportive. I
agree with him. Good decision. Now we're BOTH being supportive.
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On Jan 17, 11:02 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor... DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:32 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Good decision.
>
> > >> Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.- Hide quoted
> > >> text -
> > >Certainly calling it a "Hardly" is not indicative any kind of
> > >constructive "support."
>
> > Sure it is. Him cheerleading your decision is quite supportive. I
> > agree with him. Good decision. Now we're BOTH being supportive.
>
> Yep. You're both a couple of real athletic supporters.

Doh! Jock itch!

Seriously, though - you must have some real remorse and impending
separation anxiety with the big HOG on the horizon. I mean, really,
how are you gonna feel like a big man without the Hardley, especially
if you don't end up winning many races?! ;-p

But point for point, it is the best machine in your stable to part
with. In a few years the big HD's will likely be much better, as you
noted.

And more importantly, as you hone your racing edge, getting on the big
cruiser will just mess with the muscle memory you are trying to
concentrate in your mind/body/motorcycle interface neural networks.
At least the SR4 will provide a street platform that will support the
racing skills. To be the best you need to focus on those skill sets
all the time. And to compete, you need to focus your fiscal energy
towards your goal. So there! Now sell the Hardley.
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On Jan 17, 11:30 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
>
>> >> What value?
>> >Indeed. I expect to get only about $19,500 or so for the bike.
>
>> Man, you must know people who are really stupid but have LOADS of
>> money.....

>Why would you say that?

Because you never have given us a number for how much cash you
actually dumped into that heap to make it ridable with the speed
of...how did you describe it, "as fast as a Honda Civic"?
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On Jan 17, 11:14 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor... DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 6:03 pm, saddlebag <saddle... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 3:39 pm, Vaughn <vbra... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor... DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v... DeleteThis @xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> > > > > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> > > > > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > > > > money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> > > > > little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > > > > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > > > > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > > > > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > > > > selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> > > > Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> > > > my garage was superceded by the S4Rs.   And selling the Harley simply
> > > > makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> > > > the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> > > > insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> > > > it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> > > > spent on racing.
>
> > > > Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> > > > ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> > > > and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> > > > of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> > > > Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> > > > that we could win at the regional club level.  Once we did that, we
> > > > wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> > > > professional competition.  Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> > > > wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> > > > Superbike.)  We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> > > > enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> > > > We both missed it terribly.  When this national, professional, twin-
> > > > cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> > > > a SLOOOWWWWWW  class, we thought "Bingo!  This is what was missing in
> > > > 2002!"
>
> > > > Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> > > > compete at this level.  We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> > > > unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
>
> > > Good decision.
>
> > > Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
>
> > What value?  
>
> Indeed.  I expect to get only about $19,500 or so for the bike.
>
> > Take a look at the E-bay "completed listings" sometime
> > and see how well they "hold their value."
>
> And of course, everyone knows that not only is eBay representative of
> the market for Harleys, it is, in fact, the ONLY place to go for
> determining the value of used Harley-Davidson motorcycles.
>
> Well known, of course, to those who have never bought, owned, ridden,
> or sold a Harley in their lives.

Well, I've ridden plenty of Harleys and best I can tell, me parading
around doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with their re-sale value.

Have you sold a Harley since your heros FUBARed our country's economy?

I had a Pharmacist buddy who would place orders for Harleys a year in
advance then ride them for a season and sell them used at or above his
initial purchase price. That was in the boom boom nineties. This
ain't the boom boom nineties.

I need to get over and see him. I'll bet he's moved on to a Jap bike
by now.
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On Jan 18, 10:09 pm, saddlebag <saddle....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:14 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 6:03 pm, saddlebag <saddle....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 17, 3:39 pm, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v....DeleteThis@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> > > > > > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> > > > > > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > > > > > money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> > > > > > little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > > > > > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > > > > > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > > > > > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > > > > > selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> > > > > Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> > > > > my garage was superceded by the S4Rs.   And selling the Harley simply
> > > > > makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> > > > > the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> > > > > insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> > > > > it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> > > > > spent on racing.
>
> > > > > Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> > > > > ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> > > > > and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> > > > > of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> > > > > Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> > > > > that we could win at the regional club level.  Once we did that, we
> > > > > wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> > > > > professional competition.  Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> > > > > wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> > > > > Superbike.)  We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> > > > > enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> > > > > We both missed it terribly.  When this national, professional, twin-
> > > > > cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> > > > > a SLOOOWWWWWW  class, we thought "Bingo!  This is what was missing in
> > > > > 2002!"
>
> > > > > Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> > > > > compete at this level.  We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> > > > > unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
>
> > > > Good decision.
>
> > > > Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
>
> > > What value?  
>
> > Indeed.  I expect to get only about $19,500 or so for the bike.
>
> > > Take a look at the E-bay "completed listings" sometime
> > > and see how well they "hold their value."
>
> > And of course, everyone knows that not only is eBay representative of
> > the market for Harleys, it is, in fact, the ONLY place to go for
> > determining the value of used Harley-Davidson motorcycles.
>
> > Well known, of course, to those who have never bought, owned, ridden,
> > or sold a Harley in their lives.
>
> Well, I've ridden plenty of Harleys and best I can tell, me parading
> around doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with their re-sale value.
>
> Have you sold a Harley since your heros FUBARed our country's economy?
>
> I had a Pharmacist buddy who would place orders for Harleys a year in
> advance then ride them for a season and sell them used at or above his
> initial purchase price.  That was in the boom boom nineties.  This
> ain't the boom boom nineties.
>
> I need to get over and see him.  I'll bet he's moved on to a Jap bike
> by now.

Two for two. Or, really, now that i think of it, three for three.

Terrific.
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> >> Man, you must know people who are really stupid but have LOADS of
> >> money.....
> >Why would you say that?
>
>> Because you never have given us a number for how much cash you
>> actually dumped into that heap to make it ridable with the speed
>> of...how did you describe it, "as fast as a Honda Civic"?

>I don't need to give you any numbers. I've told you what I did to
>the
>bike.

Of course you don't. And you sure did. And it was a very impressive
list...but not unexpected, turning some couch into something that
doesn't act like a wallowing whale on the road, and has enough power
to hunt down those willy Honda Civics.
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>> All 3 can be driven across the country, and each have their own
>> strengths in a particular area. I think my POS Japanese antique
>> bike
>> collection RULES!

>I think it's fine. They all were OK bikes in their day. Kinda like
>the Warrior, interesting and adequate for most situations, but not
>something I'd want to depend on or suffer thru as someone who rides a
>lot.

You wouldn't want to depend on one of the Zookie GS series motors?
Attached to a shaft drive? Man, these things are part of the engine
series which defines Japanese reliability, let alone hoppability. Of
course, the age alone gets to the silly things ( old o-rings are what
got me last time ), but the basics are all good.

We'll see what my opinion is like next winter after a summers riding,
I get stuck in the middle of nowhere much more and I might dump them
all and get the FJR.
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>> I think my "worth less than $10G" bike collection is quite decent,
>> actually. One touring, one dirt, and one sportbike, all for less
>> than
>> the cost of a normal, $10G literbike type machine.

>Yeah, I felt the exact same way when I had my $1,500 Ducati 750GT, my
>$1,900 Norton 850 Commando, and my $2,200 Suzuki VX800 in my garage.
>I was kickin' major league ASS with my $5,600 collection of iron in
>1998.

Inflation. In 98 I just had a 900RR and a KLR650. That was a good
combination.


>Times change. I really like my S4Rs.

My kids are 8 and 10 and have already started on braces and suchlike.
Plus they haven't started laying asphalt on our new track yet, so I'm
going to try out the POS trio for another summer, see what kind of
mood I'm in next winter.
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On Jan 20, 11:24 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think my "worth less than $10G" bike collection is quite decent,
> >> actually. One touring, one dirt, and one sportbike, all for less
> >> than
> >> the cost of a normal, $10G literbike type machine.
> >Yeah, I felt the exact same way when I had my $1,500 Ducati 750GT, my
> >$1,900 Norton 850 Commando, and my $2,200 Suzuki VX800 in my garage.
> >I was kickin' major league ASS with my $5,600 collection of iron in
> >1998.
>
> Inflation. In 98 I just had a 900RR and a KLR650. That was a good
> combination.
>
> >Times change.   I really like my S4Rs.
>
> My kids are 8 and 10 and have already started on braces and suchlike.
> Plus they haven't started laying asphalt on our new track yet, so I'm
> going to try out the POS trio for another summer, see what kind of
> mood I'm in next winter.

In 98 my kids were 8, 14, and 17. Things change a lot in ten years.
Not just motorcycles.
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>> My kids are 8 and 10 and have already started on braces and
>> suchlike.
>> Plus they haven't started laying asphalt on our new track yet, so
>> I'm
>> going to try out the POS trio for another summer, see what kind of
>> mood I'm in next winter.

>In 98 my kids were 8, 14, and 17. Things change a lot in ten years.
>Not just motorcycles.

Ain't that the truth.
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On Jan 16, 10:59 am, "Thumper" <roadap....TakeThisOut@unclewebster.com> wrote:
> <tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote

> > ... the most financially responsible method of funding
> > the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide....
> > Ah, the sacrifices we make!

> Really, there must be another way.

Yep. I figured one out. I'm going to keep the Street Glide. It
really is too sweet a ride to give up!
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On Feb 26, 12:17 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 10:59 am, "Thumper" <roadap....TakeThisOut@unclewebster.com> wrote:
>
> > <tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote
> > > ... the most financially responsible method of funding
> > > the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide....
> > > Ah, the sacrifices we make!
> > Really, there must be another way.
>
> Yep. I figured one out. I'm going to keep the Street Glide. It
> really is too sweet a ride to give up!

You found a way, huh? Male prostitution contract with the local
chapter of "Big Bear Biker Bangers Gang?"

Just curious... <g>
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