More racing sacrifices....

On 2008-01-16 01:03:50 -0500, "tomorrow@erols.com" <tomorrow.RemoveThis@erols.com> said:

> So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash already
> required to get our 2008 Moto-ST team off the ground, and a clear,
> hardheaded look at the projected costs for the season, I have come to
> the conclusion that the most financially responsible method of funding
> the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in addition
> to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.
>
> I'll keep my S4Rs as my sole streetbike until the red mist recedes
> again....
>
> Ah, the sacrifices we make!

Dayum, Sam. Sorry to hear that, but the replacement should be sweet
when it comes. Good luck in the upcoming racing season.
--
sleazy

R1150GSA - "Terminator"
Trophy 1200 - "The Fast One"
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<tomorrow RemoveThis @erols.com> wrote in message
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> So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash
> already
> required to get our 2008 Moto-ST team off the ground, and a clear,
> hardheaded look at the projected costs for the season, I have come
> to
> the conclusion that the most financially responsible method of
> funding
> the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in
> addition
> to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.

Quite a wise decision.


>
> I'll keep my S4Rs as my sole streetbike until the red mist recedes
> again....
>
> Ah, the sacrifices we make!

Nah...you can't always buy a couch on wheels...plus with a slowing
economy, dentists will be hard pressed for work and will sell their
baubles cheaper.
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<tomorrow.DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote in message
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> So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash already
> required to get our 2008 Moto-ST team off the ground, and a clear,
> hardheaded look at the projected costs for the season, I have come to
> the conclusion that the most financially responsible method of funding
> the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in addition
> to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.
>
> I'll keep my S4Rs as my sole streetbike until the red mist recedes
> again....
>
> Ah, the sacrifices we make!

Damn Tim, don't you know of anyone you can sell into human bondage?

Didn't you dump a bunch of money into the Harley?

Really, there must be another way. How about becoming a gigolo? I could give
you some pointers regarding the elderly.


--
Rev. Thumper Rabbitt

Minister and Prophet,
Church of Rec.Motorcycles®.
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On Jan 16, 7:36 am, sleazy rider <n... RemoveThis @nil.net> wrote:

> Dayum, Sam.  Sorry to hear that, but the replacement should be sweet
> when it comes.  Good luck in the upcoming racing season.

Thanks. The way I look at it, the Harley is paid for and still worth
a lot of money. I've ridden it over 25,000 miles, so I've gotten good
value for the depreciation that I will inevitably accept.

In the next two years, I doubt I would add another 10,000 miles total
to the bike, because of the time and monetary demands of racing.

However, once I'm finished this spate of racing, I won't have any
debt, so I will easily be able to afford a new Harley (if I still want
one), and we all know how incredibly fast Harleys are improving with
each model year these days, so there would be very little point in
trying to keep up with a 2006 model in 2010 or later!

Or, at least thus goes the rationalization part of my lizard racing
brain......
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:03:50 -0800 (PST), "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow.DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote:

>So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash already
>required to get our 2008 Moto-ST team off the ground, and a clear,
>hardheaded look at the projected costs for the season, I have come to
>the conclusion that the most financially responsible method of funding
>the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in addition
>to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.

Geez, that's not just selling a couple of bikes, that's also forsaking
a whole style of riding, not because it's a Harley, but because it is
a tourer.

I wish you well on the track this year Tim.


--
See Ya On The Road

2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium
2004 HD Road King
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tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:

> So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash already
> required to get our 2008 Moto-ST team off the ground, and a clear,
> hardheaded look at the projected costs for the season, I have come to
> the conclusion that the most financially responsible method of funding
> the racing madness is sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in addition
> to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.
>
> I'll keep my S4Rs as my sole streetbike until the red mist recedes
> again....
>
> Ah, the sacrifices we make!

Smart move, Tim. At least Harley's hold their value and if you get on
another touring jag you can buy another once the economy turns again.
Just don't bust too many bones during the racing season or you won't feel
like long haul touring anymore.
--
Bob Nixon, RZ-350, SV-650, Chandler, AZ.
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On Jan 16, 1:32 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi....RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> Just don't bust too many bones during the racing season or you won't feel
> like long haul touring anymore.

Excellent point. Hence, endurance racing vice sprint races!

Daytona Moto-ST last year had front line Sport Twin team riders doing
1:58 to 2:00 laps, mid-pack finishers at 2:02 to 2:03 and tail-enders
at 2:05-2:06. Based on known racers whom we have competed against
and their recent times on the new Daytona track, we can't
realistically expect to run up front at all, and we'll be doing very
well indeed to run at the back of the mid-pack finishers and in front
of the tail-enders. Best guess at projected lap times for us would
currently appear to be 2:03's and 2:04's.

We will have to see how quickly and thoroughly we can scour off the
rust of a five season "retirement" via the Team Hammer school and two
CCS club races prior to the Moto-ST race. Our third rider is
considerably faster than both George and I, and (if he can make the
Daytona date) we'll have to take that into account when we map out our
race strategy. We have also thoroughly studied pit stop and fueling
timing and strategy and hope to have a surprise or two in store there
that will help mitigate our rather mediocre projected lap times.

So we're not exactly going in there thinking we can defeat the
Kawasaki factory racing team and defending champs Jay Springsteen and
Jimmy Filice right out of the box.

We'll definitely consider it a team victory if we get out of there
with a complete race and no crashes or injuries, and a bonus if we do
not finish last.

How's that for high aspirations??!!!!
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On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v... RemoveThis @xxcrosslink.net> wrote:

> Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.

Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
my garage was superceded by the S4Rs. And selling the Harley simply
makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
spent on racing.

Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
that we could win at the regional club level. Once we did that, we
wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
professional competition. Once we did that, we had to decide if we
wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
Superbike.) We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
enough to even try, so we retired from racing.

We both missed it terribly. When this national, professional, twin-
cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
a SLOOOWWWWWW class, we thought "Bingo! This is what was missing in
2002!"

Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
compete at this level. We're five years older, and at our ages, that
unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
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<tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote
> So, after extensive analysis of the alarming outflows of cash ...
> ....sell my Harley-Davidson Street Glide in addition
> to selling my Ducati 916 flat tracker.
> Ah, the sacrifices we make!

Reminds me of a cartoon. The Husband is standing there with smoking gun in
hand and the wife is coddling her dying lover saying "Say it was worth it!
Say it was worth it!"

Most every race I ever saw had three groups. Out front were the folks with
Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing. Then there was the big pack
comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
money but less skill and/or talent. These were followed by them with very
little money, talent or skill. Funny thing is that they all had about equal
fun and all planned to finish higher next time.

If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
selling all your other toys. Good luck - I was never able to do that.
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On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor... RemoveThis @erols.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v... RemoveThis @xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > Most every race I ever saw had three groups. Out front were the folks with
> > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing. Then there was the big pack
> > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > money but less skill and/or talent. These were followed by them with very
> > little money, talent or skill. Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > selling all your other toys. Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> my garage was superceded by the S4Rs. And selling the Harley simply
> makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> spent on racing.
>
> Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> that we could win at the regional club level. Once we did that, we
> wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> professional competition. Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> Superbike.) We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> We both missed it terribly. When this national, professional, twin-
> cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> a SLOOOWWWWWW class, we thought "Bingo! This is what was missing in
> 2002!"
>
> Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> compete at this level. We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!

Good decision.

Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
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On Jan 17, 3:39 pm, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v....DeleteThis@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > > Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> > > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> > > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > > money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> > > little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > > selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> > Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> > my garage was superceded by the S4Rs.   And selling the Harley simply
> > makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> > the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> > insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> > it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> > spent on racing.
>
> > Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> > ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> > and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> > of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> > Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> > that we could win at the regional club level.  Once we did that, we
> > wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> > professional competition.  Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> > wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> > Superbike.)  We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> > enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> > We both missed it terribly.  When this national, professional, twin-
> > cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> > a SLOOOWWWWWW  class, we thought "Bingo!  This is what was missing in
> > 2002!"
>
> > Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> > compete at this level.  We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> > unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
>
> Good decision.
>
> Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.

What value? Take a look at the E-bay "completed listings" sometime
and see how well they "hold their value."
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On Jan 17, 3:39 pm, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....RemoveThis@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v....RemoveThis@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > > Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> > > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> > > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > > money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> > > little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > > selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> > Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> > my garage was superceded by the S4Rs.   And selling the Harley simply
> > makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> > the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> > insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> > it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> > spent on racing.
>
> > Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> > ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> > and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> > of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> > Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> > that we could win at the regional club level.  Once we did that, we
> > wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> > professional competition.  Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> > wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> > Superbike.)  We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> > enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> > We both missed it terribly.  When this national, professional, twin-
> > cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> > a SLOOOWWWWWW  class, we thought "Bingo!  This is what was missing in
> > 2002!"
>
> > Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> > compete at this level.  We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> > unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
>
> Good decision.
>
> Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.- Hide quoted text -

If I wanted to simply dump a bike for its value, I would sell the
Ducati S4Rs. I looked at the kind of street riding I'll be doing for
the next couple of years and made the decision that best fit my
circumstances. The Harley is a great bike, and I've gotten over
25,000 miles of wonderful enjoyment out of it. I simply won't have
the time to do much of the type of riding for which it is best suited.

Certainly calling it a "Hardly" is not indicative any kind of
constructive "support."
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On Jan 17, 6:03 pm, saddlebag <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 3:39 pm, Vaughn <vbra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor... RemoveThis @erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 16, 1:01 pm, "Vito" <v... RemoveThis @xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Most every race I ever saw had three groups.  Out front were the folks with
> > > > Talent AND Skill AND unlimited financing.  Then there was the big pack
> > > > comprising the dudes with skill & talent but less money plus the ones with
> > > > money but less skill and/or talent.  These were followed by them with very
> > > > little money, talent or skill.  Funny thing is that they all had about equal
> > > > fun and all planned to finish higher next time.
>
> > > > If you can figure out where you can AFFORD to finish and be satisfied
> > > > competing with your financial peers you will be happier than you will be
> > > > selling all your other toys.  Good luck - I was never able to do that.
>
> > > Well, the 916 was being sold regardless of racing, since its place in
> > > my garage was superceded by the S4Rs.   And selling the Harley simply
> > > makes more sense than borrowing money to race, then paying interest on
> > > the loan plus suffering depreciation of the Harley, while carrying
> > > insurance and personal property tax expenses on it, while not riding
> > > it (much) because all my touring time and vacation hours are being
> > > spent on racing.
>
> > > Last time we went racing it was originally simply to prove to
> > > ourselves that we could compete and to take our increasingly erratic
> > > and irresponsible street riding antics to the racetrack (like a couple
> > > of 20-year-olds, thought we were far, far, past that even then!).
> > > Once we proved that we could do that, we wanted to prove to ourselves
> > > that we could win at the regional club level.  Once we did that, we
> > > wanted to prove to ourselves that we could qualify for national,
> > > professional competition.  Once we did that, we had to decide if we
> > > wanted to compete in professional nationals (AMA Supersport or
> > > Superbike.)  We both decided that we weren't good enough or wealthy
> > > enough to even try, so we retired from racing.
>
> > > We both missed it terribly.  When this national, professional, twin-
> > > cylinder only, endurance series (Moto-ST) was invented and it included
> > > a SLOOOWWWWWW  class, we thought "Bingo!  This is what was missing in
> > > 2002!"
>
> > > Once again, our goal has been reduced to simply seeing if we can even
> > > compete at this level.  We're five years older, and at our ages, that
> > > unfortunately does NOT mean five years better!
>
> > Good decision.
>
> > Dump the Hardly for its value, and live for the day.
>
> What value?  

Indeed. I expect to get only about $19,500 or so for the bike.

> Take a look at the E-bay "completed listings" sometime
> and see how well they "hold their value."

And of course, everyone knows that not only is eBay representative of
the market for Harleys, it is, in fact, the ONLY place to go for
determining the value of used Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

Well known, of course, to those who have never bought, owned, ridden,
or sold a Harley in their lives.
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