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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:12 am
Post subject: Do politicians really think this about our california auto..
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:08 am
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Deborah Speer wrote:
> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
> billion (since 2003) so that an average car owner can pocket $200 a year."
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Wait...SQUANDER??? Oh, heaven forbid anyone take that measly $200 a year
and spend it on food, rent, gas during a time where the top officials
seem to think the public is a never-ending source of funds!
So Perata and Leno think that allowing Cali citizens a paltry couple
hundred bucks extra is SQUANDERING?
Oh, yeah. I guess some fatassed politicians might have to go without a
few jaunts, a few dinners, a few football games. How DARE Joe Citizen
waste that money on things like medical care! Talk about a sense of
entitlement. Talk about being out of touch with reality.
Things are no better down here in San Diego though. We have our own set
of corrupt, unethical politicians. They all dance to the same master's
tune, though. Unfortunately, the people aren't the orchestra.
> reference
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/15/MN16TCG3A.DTL
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> What galls me about this statement is the obviously reverse logic.
> I ask the probing question (as I do not know this man).
>
> Does he REALLY think this way?
> If so, he is a dangerous man.
> Am I reading this right?
>
> Deb
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:58 pm
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"Deborah Speer" wrote
> Does he REALLY think this way?
> If so, he is a dangerous man.
> Am I reading this right?
You are ignoring something instead.
California's operating deficit over the last three years totals 9.8
*billion* dollars, and it will continue to grow worse this coming year as
the politicos in Sacramento are facing unrealistic voters who want all the
State's many services to continue unabated and yet don't want to pay for
them via increased taxes. This makes financially responsible State officials
unhappy and they sometimes even get grumpy about the situation and speak
poorly of the electorate as a result.
But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough of
you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that they need
your money more badly than you do. >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:08 am
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P. Roehling wrote:
> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough of
> you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that they need
> your money more badly than you do.
No! We vote to borrow the money
to pay for all the stuff we want,
and let our kids and grandkids
pay it back with interest. >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:32 am
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"Mike Nelson" wrote
> P. Roehling wrote:
>> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
>> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough
>> of you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that
>> they need your money more badly than you do.
>
> No! We vote to borrow the money
> to pay for all the stuff we want,
> and let our kids and grandkids
> pay it back with interest.
Got it in one. >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:51 pm
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P. Roehling wrote:
> "Deborah Speer" wrote
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>> Does he REALLY think this way?
>> If so, he is a dangerous man.
>> Am I reading this right?
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> You are ignoring something instead.
>
> California's operating deficit over the last three years totals 9.8
> *billion* dollars, and it will continue to grow worse this coming year as
> the politicos in Sacramento are facing unrealistic voters who want all the
> State's many services to continue unabated and yet don't want to pay for
> them via increased taxes.
Why should they? The current tax levels were supposed to be enough so
that the politicians wouldn't come back to the trough. But they keep
doing it. We pass measure after measure after measure after measure
after measure that alleges to pay for something "for the children, "for
safety," "to fight terror," etc. How many times do we have to pay for
the same things? Where's the accountability for this money?
John
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:39 pm
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:32:28 -0800, "P. Roehling"
wrote:
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>"Mike Nelson" wrote
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>> P. Roehling wrote:
>>> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
>>> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and enough
>>> of you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and saying- that
>>> they need your money more badly than you do.
>>
>> No! We vote to borrow the money
>> to pay for all the stuff we want,
>> and let our kids and grandkids
>> pay it back with interest.
>
>Got it in one.
>
Well, almost. Here in California, we are host to a number of people
who have no intention of remaining here for the long term, but rather,
to make a fortune and then go home. So they vote to borrow the money
for the stuff they want and let our kids and grandkids pay it back.
With interest.
Al Moore
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:12 pm
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Mike Nelson wrote:
> P. Roehling wrote:
>> But should you tell your elected officials that you either want to pay
>> higher taxes or tell them which services you want them to cut, and
>> enough of you do it, then they will probably stop thinking -and
>> saying- that they need your money more badly than you do.
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> No! We vote to borrow the money
> to pay for all the stuff we want,
> and let our kids and grandkids
> pay it back with interest.
It's not that either-or, Mike. County and municipal bond service goes
direct to property tax bills as an excess to Prop 13 limits. And debt
service obligations of the state are part of the annual budget battle.
On the other side, the expenditures we borrow for provide infrastructure
that will enrich the lives of posterity: the roads we enjoy today will
be there for those children and grandchildren. The education they're
getting in those schools we borrowed money for will give them the
earning power to retire the bonds, etc.
Of course there's wasteful spending, both on a current basis and on
capital projects. But I wouldn't rush to feel sorry for posterity.
Rich, Urban Biker >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:00 pm
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The Man Behind The Curtain wrote:
> P. Roehling wrote:
>> "Deborah Speer" wrote
>>
>>> Does he REALLY think this way?
>>> If so, he is a dangerous man.
>>> Am I reading this right?
>>
>> You are ignoring something instead.
>>
>> California's operating deficit over the last three years totals 9.8
>> *billion* dollars, and it will continue to grow worse this coming year
>> as the politicos in Sacramento are facing unrealistic voters who want
>> all the State's many services to continue unabated and yet don't want
>> to pay for them via increased taxes.
>
> Why should they? The current tax levels were supposed to be enough so
> that the politicians wouldn't come back to the trough. But they keep
> doing it. We pass measure after measure after measure after measure
> after measure that alleges to pay for something "for the children, "for
> safety," "to fight terror," etc. How many times do we have to pay for
> the same things? Where's the accountability for this money?
>
>
>
> John
>
Apparently, Cali will just count on Indian Gaming to bail us out.
What if we quit gambling?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:39 pm
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"The Man Behind The Curtain" wrote
> Why should they? The current tax levels were supposed to be enough so
> that the politicians wouldn't come back to the trough.
Only according to the wonderful folks who were promoting those measures for
their own purposes.
> We pass measure after measure after measure after measure after measure
> that alleges to pay for something "for the children, "for safety," "to
> fight terror," etc.
Bingo. You can stop after "we pass".
> Where's the accountability for this money?
Ultimately, it's in the voting booth. >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:00 am
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On Nov 15, 8:12 am, Deborah Speer wrote:
> Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, echoed Perata's sentiment, adding
> that wiping out the increase in the fee has resulted in "squandering $20
> billion (since 2003) so that an average car owner can pocket $200 a year."
The statement by Leno and Perata is either utter nonsense or political
claptrap, but it makes no sense. It the politicians decided to not
to impose an increase in DMV fees that just means the state will have
to collect the money in some other way. The act of not increasing and
thereby having nothing new to collect does NOT result in any
squandering of public money - there was no money to be squandered.
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> referencehttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/1...N16TC..
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> What galls me about this statement is the obviously reverse logic.
> I ask the probing question (as I do not know this man).
>
> Does he REALLY think this way?
> If so, he is a dangerous man.
That's a very strong over-statement given that we are talking about
revenue DMV licensing fees. In which ways is he dangerous.
> Am I reading this right?
No.
>
> Deb >> Stay informed about: Do politicians really think this about our california auto.. |
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