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can you get a helmet to fit a 3 year old?


"bikerbetty" <bikerbetty RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/25/2127239.htm
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> Girl in motorbike crash escapes injury
>
> A three-year-old girl has avoided injury after a motorbike she was riding
> with her father crashed in Sydney's west.
> The NRMA Careflight service says a 32-year-old man has been taken to
> hospital after fracturing his skull when he came off the bike at Glenmore
> Park, near Penrith.
> He was not wearing a helmet, and he had to be sedated after he became
> violent.
> Paramedics say his daughter was riding on his lap and despite the force of
> the crash, she was not injured at all.
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Mad-Biker wrote:
> can you get a helmet to fit a 3 year old?
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> "bikerbetty" <bikerbetty DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4770bd38$0$10472$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/25/2127239.htm
>>
>> Girl in motorbike crash escapes injury
>>
>> A three-year-old girl has avoided injury after a motorbike she was riding
>> with her father crashed in Sydney's west.
>> The NRMA Careflight service says a 32-year-old man has been taken to
>> hospital after fracturing his skull when he came off the bike at Glenmore
>> Park, near Penrith.
>> He was not wearing a helmet, and he had to be sedated after he became
>> violent.
>> Paramedics say his daughter was riding on his lap and despite the force of
>> the crash, she was not injured at all.
>>
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>
I had a 4 y/o on the Buell yesterday resplendant in lid and jacket ...
couldn't wipe the beaming grin from his face.
Grand kids.. gotta luv em




feed them red cordial and give them back




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"atec77" <atec77 RemoveThis @hotmaul.com> wrote in message news:fkt32h$7ia$1@aioe.org...
> Mad-Biker wrote:
>> can you get a helmet to fit a 3 year old?
>> <snip>
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> I had a 4 y/o on the Buell yesterday resplendant in lid and jacket ...
> couldn't wipe the beaming grin from his face.
> Grand kids.. gotta luv em
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> feed them red cordial and give them back
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> (revenge)

MWAHAHAHAHAHA! I like your style!

betty
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:23:45 +1000, atec77 <atec77.DeleteThis@hotmaul.com> wrote:

>Mad-Biker wrote:
>> can you get a helmet to fit a 3 year old?
>>
>>
>> "bikerbetty" <bikerbetty.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4770bd38$0$10472$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/25/2127239.htm
>>>
>>> Girl in motorbike crash escapes injury
>>>
>>> A three-year-old girl has avoided injury after a motorbike she was riding
>>> with her father crashed in Sydney's west.
>>> The NRMA Careflight service says a 32-year-old man has been taken to
>>> hospital after fracturing his skull when he came off the bike at Glenmore
>>> Park, near Penrith.
>>> He was not wearing a helmet, and he had to be sedated after he became
>>> violent.
>>> Paramedics say his daughter was riding on his lap and despite the force of
>>> the crash, she was not injured at all.
>>>
>>
>>
>I had a 4 y/o on the Buell yesterday resplendant in lid and jacket ...
>couldn't wipe the beaming grin from his face.
>Grand kids.. gotta luv em

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> feed them red cordial and give them back

Agreed on that!!!!


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Johno

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"Mad-Biker" <madbiker666@gmail(baffles).com.au> wrote in message
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> can you get a helmet to fit a 3 year old?
>
I got a helmet for gNat when she was 4 (and she's a pinhead)!
I had to order it in especially.
I just got a really light half-face (with a visor) because I reckoned a
fullface would be too hard on her neck.
I never took her above 70kph-or-so until she was about 10.
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Clem
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You're lying !

Nev.. wrote:
> Yeebers wrote:
>> Only this from the OP indicates a head injury rather than a broken leg :
>>> The NRMA Careflight service says a 32-year-old man has been taken to
>>> hospital after fracturing his skull when he came off the bike at
>>> Glenmore Park, near Penrith.
>
> The reports said it was a 3yo girl who was on the bike. It was a 7yo
> boy. You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
>
> Nev..
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"bikerbetty" <bikerbetty RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote
> what the hell has happened to ATTENTION TO DETAIL and bloody ACCURACY?????
>
>

Tell me about it! I have a number of newspaper clippings of Cats crash, and
each one has different details.....and all wrong in some way. Alot of the
reporting early on was assumtions.

Cheers,
Dale.
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Wow. Did you stay up all night writing that?

Nev..
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"Nev.." <idiot RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote in message
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> Wow. Did you stay up all night writing that?
>
> Nev..
> '04 CBR1100X

Something about Xmas throws my sleeping patterns even further out of whack
than usual...

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In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:18:39 +1100
bikerbetty <bikerbetty.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In this particular case, the un-news reported information given to them by
> Careflight, who allegedly attended the scene - SO - pretty much telling the
> world that Careflight can't tell the difference between a 3 year old girl
> and a 7 year old boy isn't exactly going to instil public confidence in
> Careflight, either! (sorry, I'm getting Monty Pythonesque images in my head
> here!)

Well.. the kids wasn't hurt. So if the reporter was talking to a
(very busy, and very distracted) ambo, the ambo would probably have
said "they said there was a kid on the tank" and might have seen 2
kids. Or saw the younger and not the older cos 7yos run around a lot
more.

THe reporter didn't check until later. Or the family called later.

You would expect the CF bod to have a far better knowledge of the
injury received, but only better, not perfect.


For example, unless the head was actually bashed in, with a spongy
spot in the skull, a first responder can't know it was fractured, just
that the guy had a head injury. We don't know if the ambo said
"fractured skull" or the reporter or subeditor thought that sounded
better than "head injury" or "Dunno, but he's incoherent and the eyes
are funny, so there's likely some cranial trauma"

><Dramatic conspiracy theory music> I'm really interested in the language
> used to report accidents involving motorcycles. More often than not, the
> un-news will say something like "a motorcyclist was hurt/killed/etc when his
> motorcycle collided with a 4WD/car/truck etc", which implies that the
> m'cycle did the colliding. Sometimes that is so, but I'll be not half as
> frequently as it is reported that way.

Yeah. I remember being quite surprised when I saw the same language
used about a motorcycle crash as about a car crash. I wondered if it
was a new policy but no - just something that slipped past a subeditor
I guess.

> If I take that just one step further (can you still hear the conspiracy
> theory music? <grin>) to the article about the 3 yo girl / 7 yo boy --- an
> article designed to incur outrage --- which "fact" paints the motorcyclist
> parent in a worse light? A 3 year-old girl, poor wee vulnerable thing,
> unable to make any kind of rational decision for herself, an innocent victim
> of an irresponsible idiot father, or a 7 year-old boy, probably a little
> tearaway who's been endlessly egging Dad on to take him for a Christmas
> spin?

Exactly. In the long bout of chinese whispers from the incident to
the page, where did that happen? Where did the info first come from?

Probably from the careflight centre as the reporters would hang out
there or ring there regularly saying "what's happened lately?". The
centre would look at reports, the report given by someone whose job is
to get someone else on a helo after the crash, not to work out what
happened. So the ambo probably got told by a bystander, who knows who
that was, or how drunk or reliable? Maybe the word was "his kid" and
the ambo saw a young child but not an older one, no way to know.

What is quite likely is that the first story was never fully checked.
It's a 10 line filler, bit of shock/horror to fill out a very thin
holiday paper, not enough bodies in the building to check fully.
Later on someone rings up and said "oy!" or they grab the junior when
they get back from interviewing parking cops about Boxing Day sales
looking for a silly story and give them a list of fact checking jobs.

Or maybe the cops investigated (as they usually do when a helo is
involved) and the correct info came through the police desk's regular
update from the cops. And someone checked to see if the story had
already been run, it had but with wrong info, so they changed it.

It's a little story. IT's not important. That it was wrong doesn't
matter to anyone important. You, me, the family involved, we aren't
important.... The advertisers are important, and they want shock
horror because that sells papers.

Zebee
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"Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:18:39 +1100
> bikerbetty <bikerbetty DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In this particular case, the un-news reported information given to them
>> by
>> Careflight, who allegedly attended the scene - SO - pretty much telling
>> the
>> world that Careflight can't tell the difference between a 3 year old girl
>> and a 7 year old boy isn't exactly going to instil public confidence in
>> Careflight, either! (sorry, I'm getting Monty Pythonesque images in my
>> head
>> here!)
>
> Well.. the kids wasn't hurt. So if the reporter was talking to a
> (very busy, and very distracted) ambo, the ambo would probably have
> said "they said there was a kid on the tank" and might have seen 2
> kids. Or saw the younger and not the older cos 7yos run around a lot
> more.
>
> THe reporter didn't check until later. Or the family called later.
>
> You would expect the CF bod to have a far better knowledge of the
> injury received, but only better, not perfect.
>
>
> For example, unless the head was actually bashed in, with a spongy
> spot in the skull, a first responder can't know it was fractured, just
> that the guy had a head injury. We don't know if the ambo said
> "fractured skull" or the reporter or subeditor thought that sounded
> better than "head injury" or "Dunno, but he's incoherent and the eyes
> are funny, so there's likely some cranial trauma"
>
>><Dramatic conspiracy theory music> I'm really interested in the language
>> used to report accidents involving motorcycles. More often than not, the
>> un-news will say something like "a motorcyclist was hurt/killed/etc when
>> his
>> motorcycle collided with a 4WD/car/truck etc", which implies that the
>> m'cycle did the colliding. Sometimes that is so, but I'll be not half as
>> frequently as it is reported that way.
>
> Yeah. I remember being quite surprised when I saw the same language
> used about a motorcycle crash as about a car crash. I wondered if it
> was a new policy but no - just something that slipped past a subeditor
> I guess.
>
>> If I take that just one step further (can you still hear the conspiracy
>> theory music? <grin>) to the article about the 3 yo girl / 7 yo boy ---
>> an
>> article designed to incur outrage --- which "fact" paints the
>> motorcyclist
>> parent in a worse light? A 3 year-old girl, poor wee vulnerable thing,
>> unable to make any kind of rational decision for herself, an innocent
>> victim
>> of an irresponsible idiot father, or a 7 year-old boy, probably a little
>> tearaway who's been endlessly egging Dad on to take him for a Christmas
>> spin?
>
> Exactly. In the long bout of chinese whispers from the incident to
> the page, where did that happen? Where did the info first come from?
>
> Probably from the careflight centre as the reporters would hang out
> there or ring there regularly saying "what's happened lately?". The
> centre would look at reports, the report given by someone whose job is
> to get someone else on a helo after the crash, not to work out what
> happened. So the ambo probably got told by a bystander, who knows who
> that was, or how drunk or reliable? Maybe the word was "his kid" and
> the ambo saw a young child but not an older one, no way to know.
>
> What is quite likely is that the first story was never fully checked.
> It's a 10 line filler, bit of shock/horror to fill out a very thin
> holiday paper, not enough bodies in the building to check fully.
> Later on someone rings up and said "oy!" or they grab the junior when
> they get back from interviewing parking cops about Boxing Day sales
> looking for a silly story and give them a list of fact checking jobs.
>
> Or maybe the cops investigated (as they usually do when a helo is
> involved) and the correct info came through the police desk's regular
> update from the cops. And someone checked to see if the story had
> already been run, it had but with wrong info, so they changed it.
>
> It's a little story. IT's not important. That it was wrong doesn't
> matter to anyone important. You, me, the family involved, we aren't
> important.... The advertisers are important, and they want shock
> horror because that sells papers.
>
> Zebee

Agree with everything except your last para, Zebee. It's the whole "thin end
of the wedge" thing... if we start accepting inaccuracies in 'little'
stories, just because they aren't about the celebrity, war or major disaster
du jour, where will we draw the line? (yes yes, I know it's probably
unrealistic to expect that the stuff foisted on the public as "news" should
be all-accurate, all the time - damn these perfectionist tendencies!)

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In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:22:50 +1100
Dale Porter <daleaporter DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> Tell me about it! I have a number of newspaper clippings of Cats crash, and
> each one has different details.....and all wrong in some way. Alot of the
> reporting early on was assumtions.

They need to write a certain number of lines. Enough that the
subeditor has room to play with to cut to fit the space needing
filling.

There are plenty of studies about the reliability of eyewitness
reports. Hell, I did one at school, when two students enacted a scene
in the quad and a bit later others were asked what happened. The
result was not a lot of accuracy....

There's things like people will see someone doing action Y and assume
they must have done action X before it, even though not seeing action
X either because they couldn't have (time, visibility) or they saw
action Z! But it must have been action X so that's what they said
they saw.

The reporter wasn't there... so the reporter finds someone who was.
And just reports what that someone said. Later on police reports that
have a bit more behind them (only a bit.... I bet the report of me
stacking the Yam said "gravel"[1] except that's very doubtful, should say
"dunno why") might change things some, so a later report might be a
bit more accurate.

Crashes are small news. Bit of shock horror to sell a paper. YOu could
*hope* that bigger news is treated with more care but it isn't. If it
can be turned to shock, or turned to reinforce what "everybody knows"
then that's best. Things that don't take the correct moral stance
(such as the endless scientific data refuting the "obesity crisis"
and the moral take on it compared to the moral panic about it and the
simplistic "answers" [2]) or that make people uncomfortable (See how
long it took the papers to decide that there is a climate problem and
how now nothing agin that can get a look in) stop papers selling.

Problem is that we get most of our info from the mass media. It
permeates everything. And it is unreliable. The net can have better
information, but finding reliable data there can be tricky and takes a
lot of work. You won't ever find unbiased data anywhere... But if
the bias is noted then at least you can compensate.

You know you can't believe what you read about road crashes. Can't
believe what you read in the same paper about anything else...

Zebee

[1] It was the cop who suggested that after asking me what speed I was
doing. I pointed at the gravel free bit and said "I was there....
you can see the mark on the road where the peg hit. No gravel there
so no idea what's going on!" But he had to put something, so he'd
have put that. I didn't get a neg driving so I expect he didn't put
speed.

[2] The whole obesity thing pisses me off. No, it isn't a sudden
epidemic, height/weight haven't changed in the average in lots of years.
The definitions of "obese" and "diabetic" have though. As have
heights, so absolute weight has. Taller people are heavier. And the
whole "must eat too much and exercise too little" is just bull. And
has been shown to be bull time and time again. Since the 1960s. It
is way way way more complex than that, and still not understood. But
eating is a sin. The new masturbation. Read 19thC newspapers and
popular medical books/articles and you'll see the same language and
the same ideas about masturbation. You do realise the "you'll go
blind" was in the papers from the same kinds of doctors and reporters
as now say "you'll get diabetic and die of a heart attack"?
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bikerbetty wrote:

<snip>

> Agree with everything except your last para, Zebee. It's the whole "thin end
> of the wedge" thing... if we start accepting inaccuracies in 'little'
> stories, just because they aren't about the celebrity, war or major disaster
> du jour, where will we draw the line? (yes yes, I know it's probably
> unrealistic to expect that the stuff foisted on the public as "news" should
> be all-accurate, all the time - damn these perfectionist tendencies!)

I have bad news for you, betty, we aren't starting to accept, it has
always been so.

The stories about celebs, wars and major disasters aren't any more
likely to be true and accurate than any other story.

WMD's? Children thrown overboard? Shane Warne's mobile phone?

Back in the mists of antiquity, I worked as a journo for a couple of
years.

Well, I had to do something while I was waiting for the mini-computer to
be invented.

Back then, being a journalist was a fairly simple task. There were all
these blank bits in between the adverts, and we had to fill them up with
words.

If the words made any kind of sense, or perhaps were entertaining in
some way, that was good, but not essential 'cos there was a lot a blank
bits to fill.

But, in those days, there was a finite amount of blank space to fill.
Now, through the wonders of modern technology, the blank space is
infinite.

May I commend to you the reading of Terry Pratchett's novel "The Truth",
as a remarkably accurate account of news gathering.

regards,
CrazyCam
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