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Cam Penner

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:49 am
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In article <B_3xe.101282$9A2.59403@edtnps89>,
peter_moss.RemoveThis@telme.net says...

>
> Oh for frigs sakes Cam, pls just take your bike out and try it out and
> report back.

I can't. It's not back from the top end rebuild yet.. Sad

But my wife's bike works just fine.

Adding speed to a corner does NOT tighten the line. I've
tried it. It may make the bike feel more stable, but it
doesn't get you around a corner any sharper.

To get around a corner you need to have enough traction to
match the cornering forces. The faster you go, the more
traction any particular corner requires to complete it on
the same line. This is very basic physics.

I've gone in too hot on many corners in my life. I've
tried a variety of techniques with them, and the most
effective BY FAR is to get on the binders in a progressive
fashion, bleeding speed, and increasing the lean angle
through countersteering.

The slower you go the sharper you can turn. You can use
the throttle to catch the bike and stand it back up on exit
of the corner, but on a decreasing radius turn, you want to
be VERY VERY VERY careful with adding throttle.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:55 am
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:31:42 GMT, "pete" <peter_moss DeleteThis @telme.net> wrote:

>I understand your question, I am suggesting that....
>If you do enter a corner too hot, what are your options?
>Back off the gas............bad
>
Actually you can scrub some speed while hard over in a corner by using
the rear brake. Just push harder on the inside bar to compensate.

>Touch the brakes...........bad
>Countersteer........not the best but it's an out. You have to fight with the
>bike.
>More throttle.....the bike will become more stable, fall over to an
>appropriate angle and negotiate the corner better.

Adding more throttle will not induce lean without added counter
steering. I do not need to try it to know that.

Very, very few of us ever push our bikes to the maximum lean angle. I
have been told by more experienced riders (and I believe them) that
the bike is capable of leaning over far more than we realize and if
circumstances dictate we need to push it farther than we ever have
before, have confidence the bike will do it.

In an emergency such as entering a corner too hot, forsaking all other
techniques intended to scrub speed or force a more dramatic lean angle
and simply add more throttle is bad advice.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:55 am
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"Cam Penner" <cam.pennerATpleasedontspamgoldmedalsystems.com.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:MPG.1d2f301f205c6def989771@news.x-privat.org...
> In article <B_3xe.101282$9A2.59403@edtnps89>,
> peter_moss.DeleteThis@telme.net says...
>
>>
>> Oh for frigs sakes Cam, pls just take your bike out and try it out and
>> report back.
>
> I can't. It's not back from the top end rebuild yet.. Sad
>
> But my wife's bike works just fine.
>
> Adding speed to a corner does NOT tighten the line. I've
> tried it. It may make the bike feel more stable, but it
> doesn't get you around a corner any sharper.
>
> To get around a corner you need to have enough traction to
> match the cornering forces. The faster you go, the more
> traction any particular corner requires to complete it on
> the same line. This is very basic physics.
>
> I've gone in too hot on many corners in my life. I've
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, if that's the case, I don't know what to say.
If you were paying attention in class, you wouldn't have found yourself in
too many hot corners...... Surprised)
Maybe placing your cones further apart might help
You should write Keith Code and tell him he doesn't know anything and to fix
up his book:
http://www.superbikeschool.com/

> tried a variety of techniques with them, and the most
> effective BY FAR is to get on the binders in a progressive
> fashion, bleeding speed, and increasing the lean angle
> through countersteering.
>
> The slower you go the sharper you can turn. You can use
> the throttle to catch the bike and stand it back up on exit
> of the corner, but on a decreasing radius turn, you want to
> be VERY VERY VERY careful with adding throttle.
>
> --
> Cam
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:55 am
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In article <cGoye.92287$HI.60514@edtnps84>,
peter_moss.DeleteThis@telme.net says...
>
> "Cam Penner" <cam.pennerATpleasedontspamgoldmedalsystems.com.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message news:MPG.1d2f301f205c6def989771@news.x-privat.org...
> > In article <B_3xe.101282$9A2.59403@edtnps89>,
> > peter_moss.DeleteThis@telme.net says...
> >
> >>
> >> Oh for frigs sakes Cam, pls just take your bike out and try it out and
> >> report back.
> >
> > I can't. It's not back from the top end rebuild yet.. Sad
> >
> > But my wife's bike works just fine.
> >
> > Adding speed to a corner does NOT tighten the line. I've
> > tried it. It may make the bike feel more stable, but it
> > doesn't get you around a corner any sharper.
> >
> > To get around a corner you need to have enough traction to
> > match the cornering forces. The faster you go, the more
> > traction any particular corner requires to complete it on
> > the same line. This is very basic physics.
> >
> > I've gone in too hot on many corners in my life. I've
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Well, if that's the case, I don't know what to say.
> If you were paying attention in class, you wouldn't have found yourself in
> too many hot corners...... Surprised)

Well, you know how it is. Hot corner worker == hot
corner...

> Maybe placing your cones further apart might help

Perhaps putting one on my head and labelling it "dunce".

> You should write Keith Code and tell him he doesn't know anything and to fix
> up his book:
> http://www.superbikeschool.com/

I've lent out my Twist of the Wrist book right now, so I
can't look up which section you are referring to. Can you
quote the page/section so when I get it back I can figure
out what we're talking about? We may be arguing different
points altogether.

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:55 am
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<snipped>

> I've lent out my Twist of the Wrist book right now, so I
> can't look up which section you are referring to. Can you
> quote the page/section so when I get it back I can figure
> out what we're talking about? We may be arguing different
> points altogether.
>
> --
> Cam

This is the book I refer to, "a twist of the wrist II":
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0965045021/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-6578113-6...238#rea

If the link works you can get to the table of contents on one of the tabby
things.

If this isn't the one you have, it's about $25 thru Chapters if you want to
scoop it.

There is another one he did called "a twist of the wrist, the motorcycle
roadracers handbook", which is not it.

D.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:55 am
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In article <Xg1Ae.126695$tt5.101959@edtnps90>,
peter_moss.DeleteThis@telme.net says...
> This is the book I refer to, "a twist of the wrist II":
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0965045021/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-6578113-6...238#rea
>
> If the link works you can get to the table of contents on one of the tabby
> things.
>
> If this isn't the one you have, it's about $25 thru Chapters if you want to
> scoop it.
>
> There is another one he did called "a twist of the wrist, the motorcycle
> roadracers handbook", which is not it.

Ah. I have the first volumne. I haven't read the second
one yet.
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'89 RZ 350
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:00 pm
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sj wrote:
i'm a newbie to riding, and am located in vancouver, bc
can anyone suggest faq/websites that cover items like what gear to get, what to get a s first bike recommendations etc


There is/was a strong bike riding community in Vancouver. It mostly congregated around the Flying Swan café. Co-owner Julia Sit passed away from a motorcycle accident several weeks ago. But the community may still be active. If so, you will get a lot of support and guidance.

Do a little searching and you will easily find.

hope that helps,


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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:55 pm
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In article <BUJve.96609$9A2.10297@edtnps89>, "sj" <sj DeleteThis @sj.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> i'm a newbie to riding, and am located in vancouver, bc
> can anyone suggest faq/websites that cover items like what gear to get, what
> to get a s first bike recommendations etc
>
> tia
> sj

SJ, start by taking the motorcycle safety course and get your motorcycle
license, if you haven't already done that.
Go to various dealers and test drive various models and makes. The
bottom line is that no matter what others tell you, ANY bike you buy
should inspire confidence and comfort for you. A good rule to follow
for a first bike is don't buy anything that you cannot pickup, off the
ground, by yourself. You can always trade it in and buy something
bigger latter as your driving skills, and confidence increase, but don't
buy something too big to start with.
Look for a sales person of about the same build and size as you. If you
are a lady look for a dealership with a lady sales person and tell them
of your intentions regarding the type of riding you plan on (trail,
cruising or sport).
As far as riding gear and accessories are concerned, look through the
various motorcycle magazines on the shelf. Most of them will publish
reviews of gear sometime during the riding season. Get to know a few
motorcyclists in your area and do some brain picking. Most of all have
fun and enjoy!
Ride safe
Serge
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:34 pm
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Serge Zoritch wrote:
In article <BUJve.96609$9A2.10297@edtnps89>, "sj" <sj.RemoveThis@sj.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> i'm a newbie to riding, and am located in vancouver, bc
> can anyone suggest faq/websites that cover items like what gear to get, what
> to get a s first bike recommendations etc
>
> tia
> sj

As far as riding gear and accessories are concerned, look through the
various motorcycle magazines on the shelf. Most of them will publish
reviews of gear sometime during the riding season.


Reading product reviews is a good tip when initiating to any new activity. It gets you thinking about what may be important to you.

I have a product review section up on my website.
http://pages.videotron.com/mcrides/product_reports.htm

If nothing else, it will help you generate questions that should be helpful when visiting a retailer, no matter what gear you end up choosing.

The more you read, the better your understanding of your needs will be.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:16 pm
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pete wrote:
<snipped>

> I've lent out my Twist of the Wrist book right now, so I
> can't look up which section you are referring to. Can you
> quote the page/section so when I get it back I can figure
> out what we're talking about? We may be arguing different
> points altogether.
>
> --
> Cam

This is the book I refer to, "a twist of the wrist II":
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0965045021/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-6578113-6527238#reader-page (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0965045021/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-6578113-6...238#rea)

If the link works you can get to the table of contents on one of the tabby
things.

If this isn't the one you have, it's about $25 thru Chapters if you want to
scoop it.

There is another one he did called "a twist of the wrist, the motorcycle
roadracers handbook", which is not it.

D.


Just a shot in the dark from a newbie Peter, I heard the name Pete Moss tossed around plenty at Atlantic Motorsport Park in Shubenacadie, Nova Scotia. You wouldn't happen to know John D by any chance?
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