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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:27 pm
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well? yaw staying up till 2 tonight?
and life in frankinbike
saw a pocket bike at lunch time while
picking up an air filter, 300 clams &
no knobbie's WTF is up with that
has suburbia taken over all of this
country & paved it?
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:27:33 -0400, "john" <john DeleteThis @ain.nnt.here> wrote:

 >well? yaw staying up till 2 tonight?

Probably going to hit the sack in a couple. Went for a ride tonight on the
KZP. Had to check something at work and 2 *rfucking* minutes into the ride
I ran over a possum going from my left to right in a dark patch on my
street. At the time, I thought I did every possible thing right.. I looked
where I wanted to go, instad of at him.. at the open tar on the right. ...
I braked hard but in pretty good control. I only got down from 45 to
whatever.. 20 maybe.. and the fucking thing kept going where I was aiming.
Our brand new useless stupid granite curbs left no more room. I wiggled
the bars a little at the end and I think I got my front wheel by him but I
felt the rear go right over the top of him. I was standing when I did and
it definitely felt *SHITTY* to feel it go over him. I went back and waived
cars around the poor goddam thing while it suffered for at least 15
minutes before it died. It was a fucking ugly thing to watch and if I
aimed where he was coming from intead of where he was going, it wouldn't
have had to happen. A freind stopped with his cruiser and hung out for a
while and made a bunch of small talk. That was really good of him. I went
back toward my house.. I was going to put the bike away, but I was really
pissed off I hit it. Especially given *ALL* the goddam drilling I do on
that thing. If you think about it, the very last motorcycle around here
that should have hit something that avoidable tonight was mine. NOBODY
practices that crap more. I went into crappiest part of Springfield and
beat the living shit out of the thing dodging manhole covers and raggies
for 3 hours. Brake and evade crap everytime there was nobody in my
mirrors. Not sure it'll make a difference again since I thought I was
"there" already... there was a SHITload of play in my new clutch and the
brakes were able to boil spit when I parked it. I'm not an animal lover,
but I do admit it feels pretty crappy to have caused that kind of
suffering to something that wasn't looking for it.



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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:29 pm
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put a plate on the ct70
wear roller blades
when obstacles come
stand up with bike

i can't believe i actually said that, well
that and the road pizza in the making
i saw at the post office yesterday, the
guy with a yzf was in swim trunks flip flops
an cheep sunglasses...unreal?
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 > On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:27:33 -0400, "john" <john DeleteThis @ain.nnt.here> wrote:
 >
  >>well? yaw staying up till 2 tonight?
 >
 > Probably going to hit the sack in a couple. Went for a ride tonight on the
 > KZP. Had to check something at work and 2 *rfucking* minutes into the ride
 > I ran over a possum going from my left to right in a dark patch on my
 > street. At the time, I thought I did every possible thing right.. I looked
 > where I wanted to go, instad of at him.. at the open tar on the right. ...
 > I braked hard but in pretty good control. I only got down from 45 to
 > whatever.. 20 maybe.. and the fucking thing kept going where I was aiming.
 > Our brand new useless stupid granite curbs left no more room. I wiggled
 > the bars a little at the end and I think I got my front wheel by him but I
 > felt the rear go right over the top of him. I was standing when I did and
 > it definitely felt *SHITTY* to feel it go over him. I went back and waived
 > cars around the poor goddam thing while it suffered for at least 15
 > minutes before it died. It was a fucking ugly thing to watch and if I
 > aimed where he was coming from intead of where he was going, it wouldn't
 > have had to happen. A freind stopped with his cruiser and hung out for a
 > while and made a bunch of small talk. That was really good of him. I went
 > back toward my house.. I was going to put the bike away, but I was really
 > pissed off I hit it. Especially given *ALL* the goddam drilling I do on
 > that thing. If you think about it, the very last motorcycle around here
 > that should have hit something that avoidable tonight was mine. NOBODY
 > practices that crap more. I went into crappiest part of Springfield and
 > beat the living shit out of the thing dodging manhole covers and raggies
 > for 3 hours. Brake and evade crap everytime there was nobody in my
 > mirrors. Not sure it'll make a difference again since I thought I was
 > "there" already... there was a SHITload of play in my new clutch and the
 > brakes were able to boil spit when I parked it. I'm not an animal lover,
 > but I do admit it feels pretty crappy to have caused that kind of
 > suffering to something that wasn't looking for it.
 >
 >
 >
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 > 74 CZ250 Enduro
 > 70 CT70
 > 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
 > 99 KZ1000P
 > BRC, AMA, NETRA, NOHVCC, NRA
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:27 pm
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"Mike W." <outofthe.TakeThisOut@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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 > it definitely felt *SHITTY* to feel it go over him. I went back and waived
 > cars around the poor goddam thing while it suffered for at least 15
 > minutes before it died. It was a fucking ugly thing to watch and if I

Sorry to hear that Mike. Next time take a rock & put it out of
it's misery. When I was in college, I ran over a puppy with my
old Rambler. Felt it go under both wheels. When I went back up
the road 10 minutes later, it was sitting in the middle. Hips were
crushed. I tracked down the owners & took him to them. That
was tough. I'm sure it had to be put under.

With all the West Nile lately, we have a lot of sick birds around.
I usually euthanize them in a plastic bag with a cotton ball soaked
in acetone. It occurred to me recently that filling the bag with
Nitrogen would be a little more humane.

Dr. Kevorkian,

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:48 pm
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Jeff Deeney wrote:
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 > "Mike W." <outofthe RemoveThis @emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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  > > it definitely felt *SHITTY* to feel it go over him. I went back and waived
  > > cars around the poor goddam thing while it suffered for at least 15
  > > minutes before it died. It was a fucking ugly thing to watch and if I
 >
 > Sorry to hear that Mike. Next time take a rock & put it out of
 > it's misery.

A few years ago we were confronted with a dying cat, and NONE of us
could do the deed. I guess I'd get a shovel if I had to do it again,
but it's still an awful thought.

 > When I was in college, I ran over a puppy with my
 > old Rambler. Felt it go under both wheels. When I went back up
 > the road 10 minutes later, it was sitting in the middle. Hips were
 > crushed. I tracked down the owners & took him to them. That
 > was tough. I'm sure it had to be put under.

Something like that happened to me a few decades ago. When I found the
owners and gave them the pup-in-a-box, they didn't seem at all
concerned. Bastards, it was their fault too. They've probably
forgotten, but I haven't.

 > With all the West Nile lately, we have a lot of sick birds around.
 > I usually euthanize them in a plastic bag with a cotton ball soaked
 > in acetone. It occurred to me recently that filling the bag with
 > Nitrogen would be a little more humane.

I've seen a few dead crows, but the crow population seems to have
disappeared. Parrots are flourishing, as are the peacocks. For a
while, I guess.

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 >On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:10:17 -0400, Mike W. <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com> wrote:
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Mike,
Your perception is a bit off. The possum wasn't "avoidable". It was
it's time. You just helped it with it's sacrifice.

As Mark Twain once wrote (something like this, on the subject of
learning to ride a bicycle in the alley behind his house), "I couldn't
get by that dog in the alley, until I started aiming for it."



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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:31:41 GMT, Wudsracer
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 > Your perception is a bit off. The possum wasn't "avoidable". It was
 >it's time. You just helped it with it's sacrifice.

I appreciate you saying so Jim, but I believe I had/have the capability to
miss it, and I fucked up. I don't want to make a big deal about this
because I feel bad the world is short one ugly rodent, but at the same
time I think it's important to understand why and how I screwed up. If I
feel bad, which I'll admit I do, it's because some serious suffering
happened because I had my head buried 50' up my ass. The post-mortem on
this has given me some important takeaways that will be useful with other
meteors (cars, deer, dogs, etc.). If I took dirtbiking half this serious,
maybe I'd have a trophy..

Mike



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mike, "crap" happens
if you take riding as a math problem you
can't let the mind free the body to react intuitively
muscle memory responses are not done in the head
they are conditioned to react quicker and without conscious though
think of it as a RISC computer on steroids. have you tried music
while riding. it might give you brain something else to do while your
body takes care of the rest? hum a little tune
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:42 am
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 > mike, "crap" happens
 > if you take riding as a math problem you
 > can't let the mind free the body to react intuitively
 > muscle memory responses are not done in the head
 > they are conditioned to react quicker and without conscious though
 > think of it as a RISC computer on steroids. have you tried music
 > while riding. it might give you brain something else to do while your
 > body takes care of the rest? hum a little tune
 > john
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There was a different CD than the Perez Prado label in my last auction win.
But I still think his big music could be the best for me as I do the
motorcycle mambo. I'll keep looking.

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Mike W. <outofthe.DeleteThis@emailbiz.com> wrote:

 >I appreciate you saying so Jim, but I believe I had/have the capability to
 >miss it, and I fucked up.

Mike,

You most assuredly do *not* want to swerve to miss a rodent on the
road.

When I was very much younger, I used to have to drive home from work
at night along country roads that bordered alfalfa fields and the
adjoining desert. This was rabbit city I would average hitting at
least one rabbit a night, and there were times that I hit three or
four.

I'm saying this, not to illustrate how sadistic and uncaring I am.

When the Sunday paper would roll around and local accident statistics
were published, there would invariably be several accidents and
rollovers a week from people swerving to miss rabbits. Quite often
there were injuries. A significant number were fatalities.

Week in and week out, there would be statements from the cops telling
people to go ahead and hit the dammed rabbit, rather than put
themselves and their families lives at risk.

You too.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:22 pm
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:42:13 -0400, "john" <HI.DeleteThis@middle.low> wrote:

 >mike, "crap" happens

I think therein lies an extraordinary, and perhaps insufficiently
internalized difference between dirt and tar... Dirt really can be that "I
can fly" moment.. you can let your mind (soul?) go that moment represented
by the helicopter shot in OAS of the Husky wheelying across that big open
field to the Frontiere's music. And the amount you increase your personal
risk for enjoying that moment in that way is negligible if not zero. OTOH,
the tar is a "meteor-rich"environment. The shit that can affect you is not
just what exists in the 3-dimensional "strike zone" that extends down the
trail in front of you. "They" can come out of anywhere... "They" can be
lots of different things.. animal, mineral at least (ask me about the
little fuck that threw a rock at me in Springfield this weekend) or
machine. At night and other times, you operate under the assumption that
the tar you can't see is "ok". You make assumptions about what you know
from a glance at an incompletely lit stretch of tar... that the bright
core under a street light doesn't really create a region of near complete
invisibility to 48 year old eyes. Riders seem to literally default to
operation at a level of intellectual risk management that satisfies some
feel-good bar for keeping their ass safe. But the amount of thought put
into where to put that bar *really* should be set is rarely given much
genuine consideration as doing that, imo, requires understanding things
about the risk that is more than most want to or can do. Intellectually,
you "agree" with the concept that "they" are *trying* to kill you.
Intellectually. But one of the epiphanies for me in this event is there is
an *enormous* and potentially indescribable difference in how you set your
moment to moment in-saddle decion-making between intellectually agreeing
with that concept and fully "getting it"... seeing what can reasonably
occur when you look at the riding environment free of your assumptions
about risk.

And that's your ass.. some, not all, would agree that principle requires
watching out for your impact on others and some of those would include
animals on the list. As I noted, *I* came through the event fine, yet
despite not being nearly an animal hater, I feel bad for what I caused to
occur to another. That is a type of cost to me.. a cost I don't want to
spend again.

The "outcome" surprised me.. I didn't consider that could occur. Yet I
believed, maybe even more than most, that "crap happens". I'm
hyper-screwed up in that when an (I thought) well-formed belief system
gets disrupted so badly, I really can't not get to the bottom of "why?".
Did this happen because this shit just happens? Should I convert to
Lebowski-ism and just say "fuck it" and go download some more porn?
Unfortunately, I have an undefendable attachment to probability,
preparation and outcome. Without getting into the why,
low-probably/high-consequence events are something I give more deference
to than most, and my posting history is very littered with embarrassing
evidence of this:) How I'm wired makes me believe that understanding what
happened and using that to challenge my operating principles will
ultimately benefit me in the long run.. and I don't have a choice anyway
if it affects one of my belief systems I consider to be "well formed".


 >if you take riding as a math problem you
 >can't let the mind free the body to react intuitively
 >muscle memory responses are not done in the head
 >they are conditioned to react quicker and without conscious though
 >think of it as a RISC computer on steroids. have you tried music
 >while riding. it might give you brain something else to do while your
 >body takes care of the rest? hum a little tune

I disagree... and agree. This is exactly a math problem. Exactly like
goal-tending is. Forget that gay butterfly Tony Esposito thing everyone
skates now (the point being that copying it was gay and based on flawed
thinking... not that Tony was gay.. he was a genius) and go back to the
other artists like Gilles Gilbert or Bernie Parent or... me. Those
ridiculous yet ultimately effective sequences of maneuvers that are
invoked real time to a dynamic, adaptive, highly motivated and
well-trained threat don't happen because of some thought that says to do
it. It's training... drilling... practice. That is what creates muscle
memory. And practicing the right things only comes from understanding what
you have to practice. You do the same thing in the dirt.. on a trials
bike... on a motocross track. The reason those apparently similar
activities don't appear to call for the same sort of consideration is the
"threats" they present are much much more constrained than the unlimited
meteor scenario on the tar. It's liberating to assume you will frequently
encounter ruts and rocks and logs and sand and cliffs and DJ and...
because you ride like that crap is coming up. On the tar, the assumption
that the path is "ok" and there are no meteors (low-probability events) is
very seductive. The former is a safe assumption, the latter isn't. I'm
babbling... I'll shut up now.

Nice marmot.

El Duderino

 >john

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  > >I appreciate you saying so Jim, but I believe I had/have the capability
to
  > >miss it, and I fucked up.
 >
 > Mike,
 >
 > You most assuredly do *not* want to swerve to miss a rodent on the
 > road.

Jesus man, you DO ride off-road, doncha? Stand up, lean back, and **PAFF**
sit back down. Using log-crossing 101 techniques, you can ride over most
animals up to and including medium dogs. Large dogs involve log-crossing
201 and enough HP to lift the front end in a pinch.

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Jim Hall wrote:

 > When the Sunday paper would roll around and local accident statistics
 > were published, there would invariably be several accidents and
 > rollovers a week from people swerving to miss rabbits. Quite often
 > there were injuries. A significant number were fatalities.
 >
 > Week in and week out, there would be statements from the cops telling
 > people to go ahead and hit the dammed rabbit, rather than put
 > themselves and their families lives at risk.

That's what I told my mom when she saw me narrowly miss a stupid dog who
did the right thing at the last minute. She had never had an animal
experience and it had never occurred to her that swerving might have
worse consequences than hitting the beast. She agreed, but I wonder if
she could do it if Lassie wandered into her path. Moot now, her sight
isn't good enough to let her drive any more.

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 > meteor scenario on the tar. It's liberating to assume you will frequently
 > encounter ruts and rocks and logs and sand and cliffs and DJ and...
 > because you ride like that crap is coming up. On the tar, the assumption
 > that the path is "ok" and there are no meteors (low-probability events) is
 > very seductive. The former is a safe assumption, the latter isn't. I'm
 > babbling... I'll shut up now.

Mike, you're not related to Pirsig, are you?

I make no assumptions on the street. They are trying to
kill you. Especially fun riding by the golf course (white
meteors). Consider the street like riding in the woods,
except the trees are trying to attack you.

Always have an avenue of escape. Know when to brake,
when to steer around. The other day I was taking a left
turn in front of traffic & a teenager launched her bicycle
into the cross-walk of the side street. She panicked &
stopped right in the middle of my intended path. I
half expected that, and nearly had to ride up on the side
walk to get out of traffic.

I share Jim's thoughts. You should not risk your
safety over an animal. Including llamas.

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:47 pm
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yawn, dang your verbose, if I was in calc-use-less class with you deriving
some nuances I would have chucked a wad of paper at you and given you the
answer to 1 or 2 decimal points and said just round up and get on with it.
dump the street bike, YES they are Really trying to Kill you. Move to the
Midwest & get some land and ride in a nice meadow with a bubbling brook out
back in the woods. If you need some waves to sail on take a jet east & rent
a blow boat for the weekend.

"Mike W." <outofthe.RemoveThis@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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 > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:42:13 -0400, "john" <HI.RemoveThis@middle.low> wrote:
 >
  >>mike, "crap" happens
 >
 > I think therein lies an extraordinary, and perhaps insufficiently
 > internalized difference between dirt and tar... Dirt really can be that "I
 > can fly" moment.. you can let your mind (soul?) go that moment represented
 > by the helicopter shot in OAS of the Husky wheelying across that big open
 > field to the Frontiere's music. And the amount you increase your personal
 > risk for enjoying that moment in that way is negligible if not zero. OTOH,
 > the tar is a "meteor-rich"environment. The shit that can affect you is not
 > just what exists in the 3-dimensional "strike zone" that extends down the
 > trail in front of you. "They" can come out of anywhere... "They" can be
 > lots of different things.. animal, mineral at least (ask me about the
 > little fuck that threw a rock at me in Springfield this weekend) or
 > machine. At night and other times, you operate under the assumption that
 > the tar you can't see is "ok". You make assumptions about what you know
 > from a glance at an incompletely lit stretch of tar... that the bright
 > core under a street light doesn't really create a region of near complete
 > invisibility to 48 year old eyes. Riders seem to literally default to
 > operation at a level of intellectual risk management that satisfies some
 > feel-good bar for keeping their ass safe. But the amount of thought put
 > into where to put that bar *really* should be set is rarely given much
 > genuine consideration as doing that, imo, requires understanding things
 > about the risk that is more than most want to or can do. Intellectually,
 > you "agree" with the concept that "they" are *trying* to kill you.
 > Intellectually. But one of the epiphanies for me in this event is there is
 > an *enormous* and potentially indescribable difference in how you set your
 > moment to moment in-saddle decion-making between intellectually agreeing
 > with that concept and fully "getting it"... seeing what can reasonably
 > occur when you look at the riding environment free of your assumptions
 > about risk.
 >
 > And that's your ass.. some, not all, would agree that principle requires
 > watching out for your impact on others and some of those would include
 > animals on the list. As I noted, *I* came through the event fine, yet
 > despite not being nearly an animal hater, I feel bad for what I caused to
 > occur to another. That is a type of cost to me.. a cost I don't want to
 > spend again.
 >
 > The "outcome" surprised me.. I didn't consider that could occur. Yet I
 > believed, maybe even more than most, that "crap happens". I'm
 > hyper-screwed up in that when an (I thought) well-formed belief system
 > gets disrupted so badly, I really can't not get to the bottom of "why?".
 > Did this happen because this shit just happens? Should I convert to
 > Lebowski-ism and just say "fuck it" and go download some more porn?
 > Unfortunately, I have an undefendable attachment to probability,
 > preparation and outcome. Without getting into the why,
 > low-probably/high-consequence events are something I give more deference
 > to than most, and my posting history is very littered with embarrassing
 > evidence of this:) How I'm wired makes me believe that understanding what
 > happened and using that to challenge my operating principles will
 > ultimately benefit me in the long run.. and I don't have a choice anyway
 > if it affects one of my belief systems I consider to be "well formed".
 >
 >
  >>if you take riding as a math problem you
  >>can't let the mind free the body to react intuitively
  >>muscle memory responses are not done in the head
  >>they are conditioned to react quicker and without conscious though
  >>think of it as a RISC computer on steroids. have you tried music
  >>while riding. it might give you brain something else to do while your
  >>body takes care of the rest? hum a little tune
 >
 > I disagree... and agree. This is exactly a math problem. Exactly like
 > goal-tending is. Forget that gay butterfly Tony Esposito thing everyone
 > skates now (the point being that copying it was gay and based on flawed
 > thinking... not that Tony was gay.. he was a genius) and go back to the
 > other artists like Gilles Gilbert or Bernie Parent or... me. Those
 > ridiculous yet ultimately effective sequences of maneuvers that are
 > invoked real time to a dynamic, adaptive, highly motivated and
 > well-trained threat don't happen because of some thought that says to do
 > it. It's training... drilling... practice. That is what creates muscle
 > memory. And practicing the right things only comes from understanding what
 > you have to practice. You do the same thing in the dirt.. on a trials
 > bike... on a motocross track. The reason those apparently similar
 > activities don't appear to call for the same sort of consideration is the
 > "threats" they present are much much more constrained than the unlimited
 > meteor scenario on the tar. It's liberating to assume you will frequently
 > encounter ruts and rocks and logs and sand and cliffs and DJ and...
 > because you ride like that crap is coming up. On the tar, the assumption
 > that the path is "ok" and there are no meteors (low-probability events) is
 > very seductive. The former is a safe assumption, the latter isn't. I'm
 > babbling... I'll shut up now.
 >
 > Nice marmot.
 >
 > El Duderino
 >
  >>john
 >
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 > Mike W.
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