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RedDevil

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:44 am
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"Zypher" <no-spam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > If my state requires (which they do) me to wear a helmet, then, by proxy,
 > they SHOULD be liable for any consequences of their (the state's) law.
But
 > they're not! When they (the state) are ready to print a list of
"approved"
 > helmets, (which they haven't) and then accept the risk of those injuries
 > that are caused by me wearing the helmet, then yea, mandatory helmets.
 >
 ><snip, yadda, yadda, yadda>

What it boils down to, it's the law in most states...if you don't like the
law, get enough people to sign a petition to get a repeal brought up in your
next legislative session, so the people can vote on it. I think it's funny,
but seat belts are mandatory in most, if not all states now. Is that
infringing on your rights? If it is, petition to have it appealed. That's
the only way it's going to get overturned. Helmet law, seat belt law, any
other law that you feel restricts your right to chose, you do have the right
to petition for change, that's your voice. This is an old, very old
subject, that never gets resolved. I've been riding for 32 years, wearing a
helmet all that time, mind you, my choice, and wearing it hasn't detracted
from the thrill of riding a motorcycle one bit. Just like I put my seat
belt on every time I get in the cage, it doesn't take anything away from the
driving experience. A helmet saved my life, and that one time is all that I
need to convince me that I need to wear a helmet. If I never need it again,
I'll feel very fortunate, but the fact that I did need it that one time and
it was there to do it's job, is enough for me to always wear one. But, and
I say but, that is my choice. I personally don't care if you want to wear a
helmet or not, just like I don't care if you wear your seat belt. If you
get picked up for not wearing a seat belt, then pay your fine, but you can
say that you had the right to choose whether you wear one or not. Don't
wear a helmet, if you don't want to, and pay the fines when you get picked
up. It's your choice. Like I used to tell my troops in the Navy, "you can
do anything you want, as long as you're willing to accept the consequences
for your actions". That holds true in every aspect of where you think your
"rights" are impinged upon. I paid good money for my cars, just like I paid
good money for my motorcycle, but that fact doesn't give me the right to
choose to wear a seat belt or a helmet. It's the law in my state for both
and it's the law in most states....if you don't like it, you have four
choices: 1) disobey the law, that can get expensive, and eventually get
your license suspended; 2) Move to a state that doesn't have the law (that
can be totally disruptive and also very expensive); 3) Obey the law and live
with it; or 4) Get your legislature to repeal the law. But have your ducks
in a row when you approach them, they've already heard the "right to decide"
arguement, and to quote H. Ross Perot, "That dog don't hunt". You better
have facts and figures to back up your claim that not wearing helmets is
just as safe as wearing one. Then and only then, will you have a fighting
chance to get the law repealed. Until then....ride safe.

Red
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 1:04 am
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Paraplegic ... result of spinal cord damage ... often caused by some well
intentioned person trying to remove a helmet or the hyperextention caused by
the additional weight of the helmet ... helmets can often save a life but at
what cost to the later quality .... let the rider decide ... there are many
pro and cons ....

"closed" <closed DeleteThis @neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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 > What do we ER staff call motorcycle crash victims who do wear helmets?
 > paraplegics...
 >
 > ~D
 >
 > "RedDevil" <reddevil@cox(nospam).net> wrote in message
 > news:W7LMa.1967$ZT5.380@news2.east.cox.net...
  > > "Robkamel" <dwarner1 DeleteThis @rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
  > > news:LDKMa.31827$iZ3.11981@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
   > > > I'll vote yes when all those who don't want to wear helmets agree to
 > sign
  > > a
   > > > waiver that states they're ineligible for any government paid
disability
  > > by
   > > > doing so.
   > > >
   > > >
  > > I'm all for let the rider decide. Just don't raise my medical insurance
 > to
  > > pay for all the veggies that are in the hospital on life support.
During
 > my
  > > motorcyle safety course, I have two words that describe those that
choose
  > > not to wear helmets - "organ donors". I firmly believe in helmets
because
  > > one saved my life when a cage broadsided me. So I would wear one based
on
  > > personal beliefs and experience even if it wasn't mandated by law in
  > > Virginia.
  > >
  > >
 >
 >
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 1:07 am
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In article <rXnNa.11008$bK5.318516@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Joe727" <somewhere.DeleteThis@theweb.com> wrote:

 > I imagine the number of people who smoke cigarettes who do not have medical
 > insurance vastly outnumbers the motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets and
 > who do not have medical insurance.

So since those people are foolish, does that give those other poeple the
license to be foolish?

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Joe727

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 1:50 am
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Not at all. The fact of the matter is that since 1964, the official =
policy of the United States Government has been to recognize that =
cigarette tobacco causes cancer which is a known killer. Yet, the =
selling of cigarettes is still legal.

It is up to the individual to decide if he or she wants to consume =
tobacco products.

Joe

"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam.DeleteThis@infernosoft.com> wrote in message =
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 > In article <rXnNa.11008$bK5.318516@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
 > "Joe727" <somewhere.DeleteThis@theweb.com> wrote:
 >=20
  > > I imagine the number of people who smoke cigarettes who do not have =
medical=20
  > > insurance vastly outnumbers the motorcycle riders who don't wear =
helmets and=20
  > > who do not have medical insurance.
 >=20
 > So since those people are foolish, does that give those other poeple =
the=20
 > license to be foolish?
 >=20
 > --=20
 > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
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Sir Robin the Chic

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:00 am
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Zypher wrote:
 > If my state requires (which they do) me to wear a helmet, then, by proxy,
 > they SHOULD be liable for any consequences of their (the state's) law. But
 > they're not! When they (the state) are ready to print a list of "approved"
 > helmets, (which they haven't) and then accept the risk of those injuries
 > that are caused by me wearing the helmet, then yea, mandatory helmets.
 >
 > But the state isn't ready to accept that responsibility, so in my opinion,
 > then NO.
 >
 > We motorcycle enthusiasts all should be allowed to make an educated decision
 > for ourselves if I have to reap the consequences of my choice.

The problem is that operations like ABATE and their supporters feel the
need to spew lies about helmets. If you make a choice based on that
stuff, you are not truly making an educated decision.
Now what injuries do helmets cause? There's some doubt as to the
spinal injury claim, which is the only thing I know about.
In any case, those spinal injuries would otherwise have been head
injuries. A spinal injury is more survivable, and you'll still be the
same person should you recover. You may come out very different after a
serious head injury.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Klowmhundur

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:43 am
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In article <timberwoof.spam-0A6A83.22374103072003 RemoveThis @typhoon.sonic.net>,
Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam RemoveThis @infernosoft.com> wrote:

 >In article <nospam-EE9459.23560303072003 RemoveThis @enews.newsguy.com>,
 > Klowmhundur <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
 >
  >> It should ALWAYS be freedom of choice! God, guns, and helmets.
 >
 >GodS

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Jordon

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:17 pm
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 > Jordon wrote:

  > > How about when I have a heart attack from eating too
  > > much red meat? Want to ban McDonalds too?

Timberwoof wrote...
 > Next, they'll want to regulate the spacing of two-by-fours
 > in any hourse you build, or stupid stuff like the slope of
 > the drain from the upstairs toilet or the thickness of
 > electrical wiring to the plugs. Do you really want the
 > government in your bed room like that? Hell ... it's bad enough
 > that the government requires hotel builders to install fire
 > suppression systems, and factory contructors to install enough
 > emergency exits! What are they thinking, with all this unwarranted
 > intrusion in our lives?

All of which can effect people other than the owner. It's
not the same thing.

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Majicbringer

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:04 pm
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If rider wish to ride without helmets they should haveto carry $XXXXXX of insurance
because the insurance co's are going to raise the rates in any states that lets
riders go without helmets, and they pass that cost onto us. Then again, would
they lower the rates for the riders that do?
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Brad

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:12 pm
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"Malcolm" <Malcolm.DeleteThis@heywoodjablowme.com> wrote in message news:<lClNa.35946$3o3.2632510@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
 > I love threads like this, because you tell half the story.
 >
 > Most of those riders who demand the "freedom" don't have medical insurance.

And where did this little nugget of wizdom come from? At least a year
of research, polls, and surveys I hope. For the record...I ride
without one, I support pro choice, AND would you believe I even have
insurance? Wow! Go figure!

And no...I won't blow you.

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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:59 pm
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Only two helmets have passed the DOT standards for impact protection in the
last five years, and even those carried tags that read "will not protect
from an impact of greater than 13 1/2 mph."

"Sir Robin the Chickenhearted" <mlml DeleteThis @svn.net> wrote in message
news:3F06E801.2040403@svn.net...
 >
 >
 > Zypher wrote:
  > > If my state requires (which they do) me to wear a helmet, then, by
proxy,
  > > they SHOULD be liable for any consequences of their (the state's) law.
But
  > > they're not! When they (the state) are ready to print a list of
"approved"
  > > helmets, (which they haven't) and then accept the risk of those injuries
  > > that are caused by me wearing the helmet, then yea, mandatory helmets.
  > >
  > > But the state isn't ready to accept that responsibility, so in my
opinion,
  > > then NO.
  > >
  > > We motorcycle enthusiasts all should be allowed to make an educated
decision
  > > for ourselves if I have to reap the consequences of my choice.
 >
 > The problem is that operations like ABATE and their supporters feel the
 > need to spew lies about helmets. If you make a choice based on that
 > stuff, you are not truly making an educated decision.
 > Now what injuries do helmets cause? There's some doubt as to the
 > spinal injury claim, which is the only thing I know about.
 > In any case, those spinal injuries would otherwise have been head
 > injuries. A spinal injury is more survivable, and you'll still be the
 > same person should you recover. You may come out very different after a
 > serious head injury.
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Mr. Creosote

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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:59 pm
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Janet Moon wrote:

 >
 > "Sir Robin the Chickenhearted" <mlml.DeleteThis@svn.net> wrote in message
 > news:3F06E801.2040403@svn.net...
 > .
  >>
  >>The problem is that operations like ABATE and their supporters feel the
  >>need to spew lies about helmets. If you make a choice based on that
  >>stuff, you are not truly making an educated decision.
  >> Now what injuries do helmets cause? There's some doubt as to the
  >>spinal injury claim, which is the only thing I know about.
  >> In any case, those spinal injuries would otherwise have been head
  >>injuries. A spinal injury is more survivable, and you'll still be the
  >>same person should you recover. You may come out very different after a
  >>serious head injury.
  >>
 >
  > > Only two helmets have passed the DOT standards for impact protection
in the
  > last five years, and even those carried tags that read "will not protect
  > from an impact of greater than 13 1/2 mph."
 >
 >
Now, do you see what I mean here? There are dozens of helmets you can
buy which pass the more stringent Snell Memorial Foundation testing.
Also, how do you explain the DOT approval stckers on most of the helmets
out there? Did you just repeat something you heard, or were you trying
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:02 pm
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Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam RemoveThis @infernosoft.com> wrote in message news:<timberwoof.spam-54AF07.17070904072003 RemoveThis @typhoon.sonic.net>...
 > In article <rXnNa.11008$bK5.318516@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
 > "Joe727" <somewhere RemoveThis @theweb.com> wrote:
 >
  > > I imagine the number of people who smoke cigarettes who do not have medical
  > > insurance vastly outnumbers the motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets and
  > > who do not have medical insurance.
 >
 > So since those people are foolish, does that give those other poeple the
 > license to be foolish?

If his foolishness harms only himself, absolutely.

Helmet use should be voluntary.
Cigarette smoking should be kept legal (but as secondhand smoke is
known to be toxic, municipalities have every right to ban smoking in
public areas).
Drug laws should be repealed (but operating a motor vehicle while
under the influence should be treated the same as a DUI, since an
impaired driver has a high potential of causing harm to others).
Seat belt use should also be voluntary.

Now if you smoke while riding lidless and while driving without a
seatbelt, and you use drugs as well, you've made some poor personal
choices if you value longevity. But for fuck's sake, it's your life.
Do with it as thou wilt.

As has been stated elswhere in this thread, the argument that lidless
riders raise insurance rates is unfounded, unproven, spurious.
There's no basis for it in fact. But some people cling to that
assumption like mouth-breathing Flat-Earthers, or True Fans convinced
that Elvis is one day returning to Graceland. Bah.

I'll continue to strap my Shoei onto my precious skull on nearly every
riding occasion, and belt myself into my cage when I have the
misfortune to have to drive. I quit doing blow and ecstasy without
any governmental prompting. I'm still trying to kick the nicotine
habit. And I'd do exactly the same thing, regardless of the laws of
the land. I don't need Big Mother telling me what's best for my own
corpus. None of my bad habits endangers another human being.


(squirrels are another matter entirely)

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(Msg. 43) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:36 am
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""KATO"" <URBANWARRIOR DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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 > "Cayla" <cayla1969 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle
riders? OVER the age of
 > 21
  > >
  > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
  > >
  > > Vote Yes!!!
  > >
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 >
 >
 >

Since a helmet, to meet DOT, has to withstand an impact of
only 7 MPH, it would be interesting to know the speed these
"examples" were traveling. Pictures without facts are a
cheap shot cheaters trick.

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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:36 am
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I say it should be the rider's choice BUT maybe they pay a higher premium
for insurance, or get less coverage. I also feel this way about the seat
belt laws. Having a choice, even at a higher price, is better than NO
choice.

BTW, I live in Georgia, a helmet state, but when I ride in Florida or South
Carolina, non-helmet states, I still wear a helmet. I am just use to doing
so for 24 years. I still believe in choice, even at higher costs.


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 > ""KATO"" <URBANWARRIOR RemoveThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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  > > "Cayla" <cayla1969 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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   > > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle
 > riders? OVER the age of
  > > 21
   > > >
   > > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
   > > >
   > > > Vote Yes!!!
   > > >
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  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 > Since a helmet, to meet DOT, has to withstand an impact of
 > only 7 MPH, it would be interesting to know the speed these
 > "examples" were traveling. Pictures without facts are a
 > cheap shot cheaters trick.
 >
 > --
 > "When I read about the evils of drinking,
 > I gave up reading"
 >
 > 'Henny Youngman'
 >
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:14 am
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"Pointman" <pointnojunkman.DeleteThis@shootngear.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > ""KATO"" <URBANWARRIOR.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > "Cayla" <cayla1969.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  > > news:3b515a4e.0307021528.2f1ffa72@posting.google.com...
   > > > Should wearing a helmet be optional for motorcycle
 > riders? OVER the age of
  > > 21
   > > >
   > > > Shouldnt WE have the freedom to have the choice!!??
   > > >
   > > > Vote Yes!!!
   > > >
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  > >
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 > Since a helmet, to meet DOT, has to withstand an impact of
 > only 7 MPH, it would be interesting to know the speed these
 > "examples" were traveling. Pictures without facts are a
 > cheap shot cheaters trick.

It has been proven helmets save lives,Tons of research proves it. The only
arguement is the freedom of choice to wear one or not! If your not going to
wear a lid then you should automatically be responsible for any injuries and
not place the burden of your injuries if you survive on society!

Same thing for leathers, I know countless people who suffered terrible road
rash that would have walked away sore by wearing protective gear. 18 months
of skin graphs later to decide not to wear shorts and a t-shirt!

Protective gear assists but is not a 100% guarantee, It's all about choices!

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 > I gave up reading"
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