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Timo Geusch wrote:
> "Hog" <hogSPAM.DeleteThis@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Timo Geusch wrote:
>>> wessie <putmynamehere.DeleteThis@tesco.net> writes:
>>
>>>> The early 1150s have ABS2. IIRC the horrid servo assisted system
>>>> that tried to kill Timo didn't come along until 2002.
>>>
>>> That'll be, like, on a Y-plate, right? Like my RT...[1]. Actually
>>> the one on the RT is different to the one on the GS - it was the GS
>>> that switched off its rear brake servo...
>>>
>>> In contrast to what a lot of people here (and the usual suspect
>>> journos) say, I don't find the linked servo brakes on the RT too
>>> bad. But then I've never been bothered too much by linked brakes
>>> after having a Guzzi with them, but I agree that the rear brake
>>> actuation could've done with a bit of fine tuning. I think the
>>> description I read on the boxer forum once sums it up nicely - it's
>>> like dropping an anchor...
>>
>> It isn't really the linking I didn't like, though I never want that
>> on a bike (1), but the sudden and over eager application the servo
>> introduces.
>
> That's partially true for the fully linked system on the RT but I
> didn't find it too bad on the GSA. I think there's a modification out
> there for the RT to make it less abrupt.
>
>> Servo brakes on a bike are an insane idea, completely unecessary.
>
> Possibly, but then again people have been saying this about ABS, disk
> brakes, brakes in the front wheel etc as well.
>
> While I wouldn't buy a bike simply because it had servo brakes or
> linked brakes, I don't mind them.

But technology should contribute something or it's extra weight and cost for
nothing. Even a 6 y'o child can apply enough strength to make good
motorcycle brakes squeal the tyres.

>> (1) I have no idea why anyone would want the loss of control input
>> linked brakes introduce
>
> Not all of us are superheros on those lardy old barges...

Ride on ice/snow/gravel with linked brakes!

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"Hog" <hogSPAM RemoveThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes:

> Timo Geusch wrote:
>> Possibly, but then again people have been saying this about ABS, disk
>> brakes, brakes in the front wheel etc as well.
>>
>> While I wouldn't buy a bike simply because it had servo brakes or
>> linked brakes, I don't mind them.
>
> But technology should contribute something or it's extra weight and cost for
> nothing. Even a 6 y'o child can apply enough strength to make good
> motorcycle brakes squeal the tyres.

Yes, but weren't we talking about BMW brakes?

>>> (1) I have no idea why anyone would want the loss of control input
>>> linked brakes introduce
>>
>> Not all of us are superheros on those lardy old barges...
>
> Ride on ice/snow/gravel with linked brakes!

Done the gravel bit with partially linked brakes, didn't find that too
offensive. I'm not attempting this with the RT if I can help it, mind.

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Timo Geusch wrote:
> "Hog" <hogSPAM RemoveThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Timo Geusch wrote:
>>> Possibly, but then again people have been saying this about ABS,
>>> disk brakes, brakes in the front wheel etc as well.
>>>
>>> While I wouldn't buy a bike simply because it had servo brakes or
>>> linked brakes, I don't mind them.
>>
>> But technology should contribute something or it's extra weight and
>> cost for nothing. Even a 6 y'o child can apply enough strength to
>> make good motorcycle brakes squeal the tyres.
>
> Yes, but weren't we talking about BMW brakes?

Which have been excellent since about 1987 IIRC!!

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:25:53 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM DeleteThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:


>>
>> Yes, but weren't we talking about BMW brakes?
>
>Which have been excellent since about 1987 IIRC!!

Hmmm,

My 91 R100RT (Mono) has probably the worst back (drum) brake of any
bike I've ever owned, including the NSU Quickly and the 350 Madras
Bullet!

Different rear shoes and even a new wheel made little difference.

However, the fronts are ok and even the rear can be persuaded to make
the rear tyre leave a feint black stripe down the road (the stupid
woman in the car in front decides to stop fast AND reverse towards me
just because a coach was filling the entire road ahead <sigh>. She
should have known I was 'enjoying' the Cornish roads, was two up,
fully loaded and towing a trailer ... ).

GWS to TOG Jnr, especially relevant as my 17yr old has just started
out on her 125 Skipper and may move onto my CB250 when she takes her
test.

All the best ..

T i m
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T i m wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:25:53 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM RemoveThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Yes, but weren't we talking about BMW brakes?
>>
>> Which have been excellent since about 1987 IIRC!!
>
> Hmmm,
>
> My 91 R100RT (Mono) has probably the worst back (drum) brake of any
> bike I've ever owned, including the NSU Quickly and the 350 Madras
> Bullet!
>
> Different rear shoes and even a new wheel made little difference.

<looks at sig>

My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a moments
thought!

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:51:24 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM RemoveThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:


>My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a moments
>thought!

Is that a disk on the rear of an RS though?

Ok, I'd say my rear brake is 'adequate', it just isn't as good as most
other bikes I've ridden and maybe that's why I question it?

The only other bike I've ridden with a worse rear was my mates 1350
FLXLVXLFLX Harley .. (and I really thought the rear brake was
disconnected!)

All the best ..

T i m
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T i m wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:51:24 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM.TakeThisOut@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>> My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a
>> moments thought!
>
> Is that a disk on the rear of an RS though?
>
> Ok, I'd say my rear brake is 'adequate', it just isn't as good as most
> other bikes I've ridden and maybe that's why I question it?
>
> The only other bike I've ridden with a worse rear was my mates 1350
> FLXLVXLFLX Harley .. (and I really thought the rear brake was
> disconnected!)
>
> All the best ..

No it's a drum and should be identical. It is not overly powerful. I like
it that way.

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:11:17 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM.TakeThisOut@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:

>Timo Geusch wrote:
>> "Hog" <hogSPAM.TakeThisOut@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes:

>>> (1) I have no idea why anyone would want the loss of control input
>>> linked brakes introduce
>>
>> Not all of us are superheros on those lardy old barges...
>
>Ride on ice/snow/gravel with linked brakes!

Done that. Next question?
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:05:11 +0000, Timo Geusch
<tnewsSPAMMENOT DeleteThis @unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:

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>Not all of us are superheros on those lardy old barges...

I didn't find the K100 as much of a problem as I expected to when it
chucked down snow in Germany but it's a big old unit when you're
having to use your feet as skis.

I've not found it too much of an issue to throw it around through
bends over here but I was brought riding barges and it's like going
back to my youth again when it starts to wallow when you nail it on
twisty roads.
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SD wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:11:17 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM.RemoveThis@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Timo Geusch wrote:
>>> "Hog" <hogSPAM.RemoveThis@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes:
>
>>>> (1) I have no idea why anyone would want the loss of control input
>>>> linked brakes introduce
>>>
>>> Not all of us are superheros on those lardy old barges...
>>
>> Ride on ice/snow/gravel with linked brakes!
>
> Done that. Next question?

Yes but you do lots of crazy stuff anyway

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Hog wrote:
> T i m wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:25:53 -0000, "Hog"
>> <hogSPAM RemoveThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but weren't we talking about BMW brakes?
>>>
>>> Which have been excellent since about 1987 IIRC!!
>>
>> Hmmm,
>>
>> My 91 R100RT (Mono) has probably the worst back (drum) brake of any
>> bike I've ever owned, including the NSU Quickly and the 350 Madras
>> Bullet!
>>
>> Different rear shoes and even a new wheel made little difference.
>
> <looks at sig>
>
> My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a
> moments thought!

I've owned two R100/7s and an R80RT mono, and the back brakes on all of them
were perfectly adequate.
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T i m <news.DeleteThis@spaced.me.uk> writes:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:51:24 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM.DeleteThis@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a moments
>>thought!
>
> Is that a disk on the rear of an RS though?
>
> Ok, I'd say my rear brake is 'adequate', it just isn't as good as most
> other bikes I've ridden and maybe that's why I question it?
>
> The only other bike I've ridden with a worse rear was my mates 1350
> FLXLVXLFLX Harley .. (and I really thought the rear brake was
> disconnected!)

That's bad, because on these you *really* need the rear brake.

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:54:05 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>> My RS has a perfectly adequate rear brake which has never given me a
>> moments thought!
>
>I've owned two R100/7s and an R80RT mono, and the back brakes on all of them
>were perfectly adequate.

Hmmm, ok, let me rephrase this just to see if it's just me (or my
bike).

Although the rear brake on my 35k 91 RT seems to work, it seems it
might take much more (much) pressure to make it work than any bike
I've owned before?

All the best ..

T i m
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