Son down (mildly)

Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:43:17 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM DeleteThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > Eeek, I suppose a mild early one is a learning experience
>
> It is. I ahd quite a few such learning experiences in my first few
> years.

I agree. I can't remember the number of offs I had had by the time I
was about 20. My GS550E crashed best.

> > but ABS would be a good next move!
>
> Don't be soft. There's only one way to learn how much grip there is,
> and ABS isn't it.

Agreed. Fall off, get back on again, repeat until experience wins the
day.

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MikeH wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:43:17 -0000, "Hog"
>> <hogSPAM DeleteThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
>>>> Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> typed
>>>>> As he set off this morning on his newly-legal (for him) 250, I
>>>>> warned him: the roads are going to be icy and slippery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Five miles later, too hard a handful of front brake, and goodbye
>>>>> front wheel, hello nicely bloody knee, goodbye windscreen.
>>>> Put a fatherly arm around his shoulder, give him a paternal hug,
>>>> and whisper small words of encouragement in his ear.
>>>>
>>>> "Clumsy cunt" would do nicely.
>>> Eeek, I suppose a mild early one is a learning experience
>>
>> It is. I ahd quite a few such learning experiences in my first few
>> years.
>>
>>> but ABS would be a good next move!
>>
>> Don't be soft. There's only one way to learn how much grip there is,
>> and ABS isn't it.
>
> That's what I've found with ABS.
>
> It does give you the confidence to find out how much more grip you
> actually have than you think you have.

Oh I disagree. Riding off road is the best practice!
On road ABS is an great thing. You rarely if ever need it but when your
attention is diverted for a moment, the road is wet and something unexpected
happens, and you grab an instant handful of lever, ABS rocks.

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"Champ" <neal.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:43:17 -0000, "Hog" <hogSPAM.RemoveThis@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
>>> Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> typed
>>>> As he set off this morning on his newly-legal (for him) 250, I
>>>> warned
>>>> him: the roads are going to be icy and slippery.
>>>>
>>>> Five miles later, too hard a handful of front brake, and goodbye
>>>> front wheel, hello nicely bloody knee, goodbye windscreen.
>>>
>>> Put a fatherly arm around his shoulder, give him a paternal hug, and
>>> whisper small words of encouragement in his ear.
>>>
>>> "Clumsy cunt" would do nicely.
>>
>>Eeek, I suppose a mild early one is a learning experience
>
> It is. I ahd quite a few such learning experiences in my first few
> years.
>
>>but ABS would be a good next move!
>
> Don't be soft. There's only one way to learn how much grip there is,
> and ABS isn't it.

To be honest I don't like the idea of abs on a bike.
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Nige wrote:

> To be honest I don't like the idea of abs on a bike.

Why not?

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sweller wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > Five miles later, too hard a handful of front brake, and goodbye
> > front wheel,
>
> It's not something I've grown out of.

Looks at .sig... nor me.

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"CT" <me DeleteThis @christrollen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nige wrote:
>
>> To be honest I don't like the idea of abs on a bike.
>
> Why not?

Dunno really, I just don't like the idea. Prolly the over confidence
thing, but it's not for me.
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Nige wrote:
> "CT" <me.DeleteThis@christrollen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Nige wrote:
>>
>>> To be honest I don't like the idea of abs on a bike.
>>
>> Why not?
>
> Dunno really, I just don't like the idea. Prolly the over confidence
> thing, but it's not for me.

Your K1100LT had ABS.

Trust me it's an excellent thing. Any time you are wondering "how slippy is
this" get it upright and keep squeezing. Usually amazing how much you can
apply if done progressively. It also really shown up the difference in
lockup point between grabbing a panic handful and controlled application.

I'm sure it has no place on a sprotbike but on a big laden fast tourer it
does rock.

Ducati do an advanced ABS for the late ST4S/ST3 which is sport oriented and
allows 1G plus braking before lock up, so it doesn't intervene except in the
most severe circumstances. Said panic measures etc.
BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on their newer
bikes. It is HORRID.

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Hog wrote:

> BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on their
> newer bikes. It is HORRID.

David has that on his R1150R, and you're right, it's nasty.
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platypus wrote:
> Hog wrote:
>
>> BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on their
>> newer bikes. It is HORRID.
>
> David has that on his R1150R, and you're right, it's nasty.

I rode his in Montmort Lucy IIRC and it was indeed. Then tried an R1150RS
from Hursts and a K1200 variant. Just as bad. Apparently it got better but
it seems like needless technology. The ABS2 on the 1100LT with the Brembo 4
pots up front is as good as Touring bike brakes get and better than the
standard GSXR1000K1/2 by far.

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Hog wrote:
> platypus wrote:
>> Hog wrote:
>>
>>> BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on their
>>> newer bikes. It is HORRID.
>>
>> David has that on his R1150R, and you're right, it's nasty.
>
> I rode his in Montmort Lucy IIRC and it was indeed. Then tried an
> R1150RS from Hursts and a K1200 variant. Just as bad. Apparently it
> got better but it seems like needless technology. The ABS2 on the
> 1100LT with the Brembo 4 pots up front is as good as Touring bike
> brakes get and better than the standard GSXR1000K1/2 by far.

I've ridden it a few times, and got to the stage where I just stopped
bothering with it. He's used to it, but he's had it for nearly seven years
now. I like the oilheads, but I'd have to go for an 1100 if I was going to
get one.
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In message <1icw1lo.1q1yr2u1p2fyahN%totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk>, The
Older Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>As he set off this morning on his newly-legal (for him) 250, I warned
>him: the roads are going to be icy and slippery.
>
Silly boy. Glad he's ok.
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:42:18 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> As he set off this morning on his newly-legal (for him) 250, I warned
> him: the roads are going to be icy and slippery.
>
> Five miles later, too hard a handful of front brake, and goodbye front
> wheel, hello nicely bloody knee, goodbye windscreen.

Always best to learn slowly on a cheap machine.

Send him GWS.

I blame the hair... or the parents

>
> Other damage limited, amazingly, to really minor scrapes on headlight
> rim and the ball end of the brake lever. Cheap naked 250s[1] rock.
>
> [1] Honda CD250, in this case.

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wessie <putmynamehere.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> writes:

> "platypus" <monotreme.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> news:lQTwj.13656$XI.3651@text.news.virginmedia.com:
>
>> Hog wrote:
>>> platypus wrote:
>>>> Hog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BMW OTOH do a full servo assisted linked ABS braking system on
>>>>> their newer bikes. It is HORRID.
>>>>
>>>> David has that on his R1150R, and you're right, it's nasty.
>>>
>>> I rode his in Montmort Lucy IIRC and it was indeed. Then tried an
>>> R1150RS from Hursts and a K1200 variant. Just as bad. Apparently it
>>> got better but it seems like needless technology. The ABS2 on the
>>> 1100LT with the Brembo 4 pots up front is as good as Touring bike
>>> brakes get and better than the standard GSXR1000K1/2 by far.
>>
>> I've ridden it a few times, and got to the stage where I just stopped
>> bothering with it. He's used to it, but he's had it for nearly seven
>> years now. I like the oilheads, but I'd have to go for an 1100 if I
>> was going to get one.
>>
>>
>
> The early 1150s have ABS2. IIRC the horrid servo assisted system that tried
> to kill Timo didn't come along until 2002.

That'll be, like, on a Y-plate, right? Like my RT...[1]. Actually the
one on the RT is different to the one on the GS - it was the GS that
switched off its rear brake servo...

In contrast to what a lot of people here (and the usual suspect journos)
say, I don't find the linked servo brakes on the RT too bad. But then
I've never been bothered too much by linked brakes after having a Guzzi
with them, but I agree that the rear brake actuation could've done with
a bit of fine tuning. I think the description I read on the boxer forum
once sums it up nicely - it's like dropping an anchor...

> My W reg 1150 has ABS2. Currently not working, awaiting a tuit to take it
> to Bristol or Stroud to plug it into the diagnostic gizmo. Could be a £60
> sensor or a £1200 ABS servo unit[1]

Oh joy. I'm sure there are cheaper second hand ones around btw.

> I've done about 3000 miles without the ABS working. Can't say I've missed
> it. I don't even notice the red warning lights any more.

I've rarely had the ABS cut in on my BMWs - in fact I can only remember
one occurrence in the past few years. And I was bloody glad it worked
then on a greasy road, otherwise I'd have ended up either on the side or
in the side of the ambulance that shot out behind a lorry...

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