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Since: Jul 09, 2003 Posts: 71
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(Msg. 76) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:23 am
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Not many French cars here (eastern Canada), except rich university profs . I
grin everytime I think of the small Renault that used to sell here as the
'Lecar'.
I refer to them as "from France, land of the h'upside down radio"
Honda should be able to easily adapt their new Accord diesel engine to a
bike (reduced in size of course).
I think it will be about ten yrs before the oil industry is no longer able
to keep them (diesel accords and the like) out of the US, and hence North
America.
Mmmmmm..... diesel accord estate wagon 5 spd. I thought of importing one
from St Pierre (French island just off the coast of Newfoundland) but cars
under 15 yrs old "aren't safe" and can't be imported, according to our wise
government.
"TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > >The problem with both Peugeot and Citroen is that French
> > >national pride demands that many things be done differently
> > >from the rest of the world, even if the rest of the world
> > >has a pretty reasonable way of doing things.
> >
> > I can never make up my mind if it was French national pride or merely
> > Citroen's engineers answering questions that no-one was asking.
>
> I'd tend towards the latter. Citroen has always been gloriously
> 'different' and sometimes incredibly advanced, except for that decade
> from the late 1980s when they produced a series of incredibly
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Since: Feb 27, 2004 Posts: 181
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(Msg. 77) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:28 am
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:36 pm, Jack Hunt <jhun....TakeThisOut@tds.net> wrote:
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>>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:57:47 -0000, "Dieseldes" <desm....TakeThisOut@orange.net> wrote:
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>>>My Citroen BX had warning lights on the dash for temperature , the amber one
>>>was 'You are about to f***k your engine and the red one was 'too late!!'
>>
>>My daughter has a unique way of coping with warning lights. When the oil light
>>came on in her 3.8L Ford Taurus, she stuck a picture of her boyfriend over it so
>>the glare wouldn't bother her.
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>
> Our neighbor's kid responded by filling the
> engine with water when the oil light came on.
>
> My own daughter's really pretty good with tools
> and mechanics in general. I never realized quite
> how fortunate I was.
My son grabbed my BMW as soon as he got his license. He would take off
for weeks at a time, fearing I would get a chance to drive it or maybe
take the keys away from him if I got within range.
So one day he turns up home and tells me the BMW has something wrong
with it: Lays down a smoke screen whenever he drives it. Catches on fire
a lot too, 3 times in the last month.
So I says "Did you run it w/o oil and burn it up?"
He says "No, I have been really good about keeping oil in it but it uses
up a quart a day."
So I walks out to where it is parked and pull the dipstick. Oil
completely up to the top of the dipstick!
I says "Son, you seem to have overfilled it with oil."
He says "No! You can't trust that dipstick! It doesn't read right!"
and proceeds to remove the oil filler cap on the valve cover and says
"Look, you can't even see any oil in there!"
I like to think the boy favors his mother.
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Since: Dec 13, 2007 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:32 pm
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Since: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 312
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:54 pm
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"TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> On 13 Feb, 17:10, Mark Olson <ols....RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>> TOG@Toil wrote:
>> > For many years, by far the best four-cylinder diesel engines came from
>> > Peugeot/Citroen (PSA) in France, probably because France always had a
>> > big diesel market as the fuel used to carry much less tax than petrol
>> > (it's still cheaper, but not by much). PSA turbodiesels, pre common
>> > rail, were also used by Rover. Some think that France still makes
>> > better smaller diesels than the other Europeans, and I tend to agree.
>>
>> The URL I posted previously would say that Ford agreed with you- according
>> to it, the Ford 1.6 TDCi is a Pug engine. I also liked the 1.6l diesel
>> engine in the Peugeot 307 Estate I rented on the last Italian sortie.
>> Not sure if it was the 90hp or 110hp version but regardless, it was a
>> pleasure to drive.
>
> I didn't actually know that Ford used PSA diesels!
Since the N/A 2.3l Sierra, which was so slow that it made Continental
Drift look like Formula 1.
> But it doesn't
> surprise me. The French have simply been designing, building and
> refining small diesel engines for longer than anyone else.
*cough* Golf I Diesel. AFAIK that was the first small capacity diesel
(although it may only have been the first one that was a 'converted'
petrol engine.
Dunno if you got that in the UK as early as we did, but wikipedia.de
suggests that we got it in '76. From memory, a mate of mine was tooling
around in a '77 Diesel when we were at school.
> Moving onto bikes, I would *love* to see a small turbodiesel engine
> developed for a touring bike. Something maybe 1.2-1.4 litres,
> producing perhaps 80-90bhp but with oodles of torque and the fuel
> consumption of a 250cc bike, so giving a 350-400 mile range. Diesel
> engines tend to look a bit of a plumber's nightmare, but hidden under
> bodywork it shouldn't matter.
The looks are one problem, but I think the added weight due to the
strengthened engine components and the high-pressure system for the
Diesel injection pump with associated gubbins may be a bigger issue.
> Years ago, BMW was rumoured to be considering a diesel version of the
> K fours. I once tackled a BMW suit about it, but he denied they'd ever
> done any work on it. I think I read somewhere that Honda is working on
> a large diesel engined bike.
Supercharged?
<ducks>
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Since: Nov 26, 2007 Posts: 807
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:21 am
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LJ <laremoDelete.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nice. Resort to insults when it would be just as easy to admit you're
> wrong. Maybe you didn't read all of the definitions you linked. You can
> read, right.
*All* the definitions? I linked the dictionary definition. You can read,
right?
And you're still wrong and looking more stupid by the posting.
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Since: Nov 26, 2007 Posts: 807
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:21 am
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Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT.DeleteThis@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
> *cough* Golf I Diesel. AFAIK that was the first small capacity diesel
> (although it may only have been the first one that was a 'converted'
> petrol engine.
>
> Dunno if you got that in the UK as early as we did, but wikipedia.de
> suggests that we got it in '76. From memory, a mate of mine was tooling
> around in a '77 Diesel when we were at school.
Could be. I don't think we would have got it that early. I remember that
France was building small diesels in the late 1970s. France has
certainly got more experience of making them than VW, I reckon, because
the home market was so big. Still is, of course.
>
> > Moving onto bikes, I would *love* to see a small turbodiesel engine
> > developed for a touring bike. Something maybe 1.2-1.4 litres,
> > producing perhaps 80-90bhp but with oodles of torque and the fuel
> > consumption of a 250cc bike, so giving a 350-400 mile range. Diesel
> > engines tend to look a bit of a plumber's nightmare, but hidden under
> > bodywork it shouldn't matter.
>
> The looks are one problem, but I think the added weight due to the
> strengthened engine components and the high-pressure system for the
> Diesel injection pump with associated gubbins may be a bigger issue.
Yes, I wondered about that. It would be heavier. As for the injection, a
disel pump is heftier than petrol, and I *think* a bigger battery would
be a good idea, but with a CD diesel there's not that much more plumbing
than on a modern computerised spark ignition engine.
>
> > Years ago, BMW was rumoured to be considering a diesel version of the
> > K fours. I once tackled a BMW suit about it, but he denied they'd ever
> > done any work on it. I think I read somewhere that Honda is working on
> > a large diesel engined bike.
>
> Supercharged?
>
> <ducks>
Naughty boy. Actually, does anyone make supercharged (as opposed to
turbocharged) diesels?
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Since: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 312
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:55 am
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totallydeadmailbox.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
> Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT.TakeThisOut@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> *cough* Golf I Diesel. AFAIK that was the first small capacity diesel
>> (although it may only have been the first one that was a 'converted'
>> petrol engine.
>>
>> Dunno if you got that in the UK as early as we did, but wikipedia.de
>> suggests that we got it in '76. From memory, a mate of mine was tooling
>> around in a '77 Diesel when we were at school.
>
> Could be. I don't think we would have got it that early. I remember that
> France was building small diesels in the late 1970s. France has
> certainly got more experience of making them than VW, I reckon, because
> the home market was so big. Still is, of course.
Yes and no - Mercedes has been putting Diesel engines into cars since
the 30s (as, actually, has Peugeot) and millions of taxi drivers and
farmers bought the things. But that was pretty much the target market
and efforts of selling Diesels to civilians pretty much failed (like
diesel-converted BL Farinas in the sixties). Diesel engines only started
appearing in small cars like the Golf in the '70s as a direct response
to the early '70s oil shock and both Peugeot (well, PSA), Renault and VW
developed them in their respective home markets. Oddly enough, the
Japanese manufacturers missed that boat initially as they preferred to
develop cleaner petrol engines...
>> > Moving onto bikes, I would *love* to see a small turbodiesel engine
>> > developed for a touring bike. Something maybe 1.2-1.4 litres,
>> > producing perhaps 80-90bhp but with oodles of torque and the fuel
>> > consumption of a 250cc bike, so giving a 350-400 mile range. Diesel
>> > engines tend to look a bit of a plumber's nightmare, but hidden under
>> > bodywork it shouldn't matter.
>>
>> The looks are one problem, but I think the added weight due to the
>> strengthened engine components and the high-pressure system for the
>> Diesel injection pump with associated gubbins may be a bigger issue.
>
> Yes, I wondered about that. It would be heavier. As for the injection, a
> disel pump is heftier than petrol, and I *think* a bigger battery would
> be a good idea, but with a CD diesel there's not that much more plumbing
> than on a modern computerised spark ignition engine.
You'll definitely need a bigger battery to crank the engine due to the
higher CR ratio. You can probably control the injection with an ECU
these days as per petrol engine, so you can do away with the unwieldy
pump in an awkward space. But in order to reap the benefits, you'd
probably want to stick a turbo on the engine as well and that might lead
to space issues again.
>> > Years ago, BMW was rumoured to be considering a diesel version of the
>> > K fours. I once tackled a BMW suit about it, but he denied they'd ever
>> > done any work on it. I think I read somewhere that Honda is working on
>> > a large diesel engined bike.
>>
>> Supercharged?
>>
>> <ducks>
>
> Naughty boy. Actually, does anyone make supercharged (as opposed to
> turbocharged) diesels?
I'm not 100% sure and I don't have the time to dig through a stack of
magazines here, but I vaguely recall that some of the two-stroke diesels
(no, that's not a joke) back in the 30s and 50s used them.
A quick google found me a press release for a Daihatsu Kei-car with a
660cc Diesel twin which has both a compressor and a turbo, so it can be
done.
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Since: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 312
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:02 am
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Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT.TakeThisOut@unixconsult.co.uk> writes:
> I'm not 100% sure and I don't have the time to dig through a stack of
> magazines here, but I vaguely recall that some of the two-stroke diesels
> (no, that's not a joke) back in the 30s and 50s used them.
A little more Googling suggests that two-stroke Diesels need a
compressor so the incoming air clears the combustion chamber well
enough. But it appears that the principle is pretty dead for road
vehicles due to the higher emissions.
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Since: May 09, 2005 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:53 am
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In article <87pruyzlyv.fsf.RemoveThis@nermal.unix-consult.com>,
Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMMENOT.RemoveThis@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>A little more Googling suggests that two-stroke Diesels need a
>compressor so the incoming air clears the combustion chamber well
>enough. But it appears that the principle is pretty dead for road
>vehicles due to the higher emissions.
I cannot immediately why a two-stroke Diesel should give more
emissions than a four-stroke, other than that large two-strokes
tend to run on fuel that is more resembling tar than oil.
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Since: Apr 17, 2007 Posts: 252
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:47 am
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On Feb 14, 2:17 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >The problem with both Peugeot and Citroen is that French
> > >national pride demands that many things be done differently
> > >from the rest of the world, even if the rest of the world
> > >has a pretty reasonable way of doing things.
>
> > I can never make up my mind if it was French national pride or merely
> > Citroen's engineers answering questions that no-one was asking.
>
> I'd tend towards the latter. Citroen has always been gloriously
> 'different' and sometimes incredibly advanced, except for that decade
> from the late 1980s when they produced a series of incredibly
> conventional and dull small cars.
A long time Citroen owner I used to work with described
the car as a brilliant idea, 90% well implemented.
This may have been immediately after he crawled to the
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Since: Jan 18, 2007 Posts: 460
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:44 pm
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I had an '81 (or maybe it was an '82) Chevette, with a 1.8L Izuzu
diesel.
It had a five speed, but no balls.
I could get 40 mpg with three passengers and all their gear for a
weekend of white water.
With a 15' Mad River solo canoe and a Perception kayak on the top, mpg
dropped to 34.
The title said 67 hp. I believe it.
Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
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