Best time to sell or trade in

On 15 Feb 2008 10:13:31 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zebeej DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>The hotted up one is staying in my shed, and will relieve the Norge of
>commuter duties at least for a while.

plus be more FUN.
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Peter Cremasco wrote:
> Knobdoodle wrote:

>> The XJ900 and the K75 both used 120/90 or 130/80 rears.
>> The Trump has 1 more hp than the XJ so that'd explain the need to the
>> 50% fatter tyre!
>
> The 170/60 rear on the FJR was good for 12k, whereas the fatter 180/50
> only managed 10k. The narrower tyre seemed better for tipping in and
> cornering too. Yamaha recommends the 180/50.

I'm not surprised at the faster turn in - that's to be expected as you
get a steeper slope on the shoulder, but I am surprised by the poorer
wear - were they both the same brand and compound ?

JL
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On 14/02/08 22:04, Knobdoodle wrote:
> "Peter Cremasco" <Firstname.Lastname RemoveThis @bigpond.com> wrote:
> [...] I went to the bikeshop today and I said "I want a BT45 front
> and a BT54 rear...." and he replied "no you don't" and I immediately
> crumbled with "well whatever you think is right....." so god knows what'll
> be on the rims when I go back to pick them up!

BT21? I was about to put these on my Diversion when a car wrote it off
last month
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:

<snip>

> no, this is *my* hooligan tool.

Re-reading your previous post, I see:-

"It's a hooligan tool! Proper 2 stroke noise, manic accelleration,
encourages anti-social behaviour at every opportunity."

Now, (thinks) what does that remind me of? Why, it's a good description
of an RZ250.

Maybe I'll just stick with the RZ.

regards,
CrazyCam
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JL wrote:
> Peter Cremasco wrote:
>> Knobdoodle wrote:
>
>>> The XJ900 and the K75 both used 120/90 or 130/80 rears.
>>> The Trump has 1 more hp than the XJ so that'd explain the need to the
>>> 50% fatter tyre!
>>
>> The 170/60 rear on the FJR was good for 12k, whereas the fatter 180/50
>> only managed 10k. The narrower tyre seemed better for tipping in and
>> cornering too. Yamaha recommends the 180/50.
>
> I'm not surprised at the faster turn in - that's to be expected as you
> get a steeper slope on the shoulder, but I am surprised by the poorer
> wear - were they both the same brand and compound ?

Yep. At the risk of sounding like an advert for Shinko, they were both
Shinko R009.
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:46:15 GMT, James C
<enough.already.RemoveThis@no.more.spam.please> wrote:

>On 14/02/08 22:04, Knobdoodle wrote:
>> "Peter Cremasco" <Firstname.Lastname.RemoveThis@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> [...] I went to the bikeshop today and I said "I want a BT45 front
>> and a BT54 rear...." and he replied "no you don't" and I immediately
>> crumbled with "well whatever you think is right....." so god knows what'll
>> be on the rims when I go back to pick them up!
>
>BT21? I was about to put these on my Diversion when a car wrote it off
>last month

A car hit your BT21?

Johno <just asking>

Bumma about the divvy write off

Beer mate?
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VTR250 wrote:

Since noone else seemed to address this specific point..

> The question is can you put these in order of preference for
> saleability/trade in value, most desirable first:
>
> 1. 40K on the clock.
> 2. 42K but not serviced.
> 3. 44K serviced and any work required done.

For a trade-in. Serviced or not serviced won't really make any
difference to the trade in value. The dealer is going to look at the
condition of the bike, and the number on the odometer and most likely
get a quote from a wholesaler over the phone based solely on that
information. 40,42 or 44k won't really make a lot of difference. It
doesn't matter how many km it has done, the salesman will tell you that
it's done a lot and that most buyers are looking for something with
lower ks.

For private sale, the difference between 40k and 44k probably isn't
going to make a noticeable difference to the price someone will be
willing to pay, but whether it's just been serviced or not might,
however, the just because it's serviced doesn't mean that you'll
necessarily recoup the entire cost of the service or make a profit.
It'll probably come down to what starting price buyers become interested
enough to consider it, and how firm you stand your ground when
negotiating a price.

Nev..
'07 XB12X
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On Feb 20, 11:10 am, "Fraser Johnston" <ftr....TakeThisOut@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> "Nev.." <id....TakeThisOut@mindless.com> wrote in message
>
> news:47bafbca$0$30963$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
> >> I know what you mean. The Blackbird puts out a wall of heat on hot days
> >> like today. It is lovely in winter.
>
> > Eh? The Blackbird engine is almost entirely enclosed in fairing. Compared to
> > other bikes I've owned the XX was the most comfortable to ride on a hot day.
> > If anything there was not enough heat coming off the engine to the rider,
> > especially in winter, unless you take the fairing off and remove the plastic
> > inserts which stop the heat radiating onto your legs.
>
> Really? Compared to my VTR it is hot as hell. Might be a body shape thing?
>
> Fraser

An RZ500 will keep your bum nice and warm in winter or uncomfortably
hot in summer. It's the literal definition of an underseat exhaust
(two actually).
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"Nev.." <idiot.DeleteThis@mindless.com> wrote in message
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> VTR250 wrote:
>
> Since noone else seemed to address this specific point..
>
>> The question is can you put these in order of preference for
>> saleability/trade in value, most desirable first:
>>
>> 1. 40K on the clock.
>> 2. 42K but not serviced.
>> 3. 44K serviced and any work required done.
>
> For a trade-in. Serviced or not serviced won't really make any difference
> to the trade in value. The dealer is going to look at the condition of
> the bike, and the number on the odometer and most likely get a quote from
> a wholesaler over the phone based solely on that information. 40,42 or
> 44k won't really make a lot of difference. It doesn't matter how many km
> it has done, the salesman will tell you that it's done a lot and that most
> buyers are looking for something with lower ks.
>
> For private sale, the difference between 40k and 44k probably isn't going
> to make a noticeable difference to the price someone will be willing to
> pay, but whether it's just been serviced or not might, however, the just
> because it's serviced doesn't mean that you'll necessarily recoup the
> entire cost of the service or make a profit. It'll probably come down to
> what starting price buyers become interested enough to consider it, and
> how firm you stand your ground when negotiating a price.
>
> Nev..
> '07 XB12X

Here's what happened to me on Saturday: I took my GS500F to the dealer from
whom I bought it 14 1/2 months ago. When I rode it away it had 3kms on the
clock. I paid RRP for it, I think, or thereabouts ($8990). Since then
Suzuki has generously dropped the price of a brand new GS500F by $1K. Thanks
a lot.

So the sales guy looked at my lovely learner-legal Gus, lovingly
accessorised with heated grips and a ventura rack, (almost) new rear tyre,
religiously maintained (apart from lubing the chain, but I just got a new
one of those anyway, with sprockets to match) and said he'd give me $4K as a
trade in. Such high kms, he said... Sheesh!

He said I'd probably get $6K easily as a private sale - but I think I'll
just hang onto it and think about it another time...

betty
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On Feb 19, 3:45 pm, "Nev.." <id....RemoveThis@mindless.com> wrote:
> VTR250 wrote:
>
> Since noone else seemed to address this specific point..
>
> > The question is can you put these in order of preference for
> > saleability/trade in value, most desirable first:
>
> > 1. 40K on the clock.
> > 2. 42K but not serviced.
> > 3. 44K serviced and any work required done.
>
> For a trade-in. Serviced or not serviced won't really make any
> difference to the trade in value. The dealer is going to look at the
> condition of the bike, and the number on the odometer and most likely
> get a quote from a wholesaler over the phone based solely on that
> information. 40,42 or 44k won't really make a lot of difference. It
> doesn't matter how many km it has done, the salesman will tell you that
> it's done a lot and that most buyers are looking for something with
> lower ks.
>
> For private sale, the difference between 40k and 44k probably isn't
> going to make a noticeable difference to the price someone will be
> willing to pay, but whether it's just been serviced or not might,
> however, the just because it's serviced doesn't mean that you'll
> necessarily recoup the entire cost of the service or make a profit.
> It'll probably come down to what starting price buyers become interested
> enough to consider it, and how firm you stand your ground when
> negotiating a price.
>
> Nev..
> '07 XB12X

It will go to 42K, serviced, and be sold privately. Maybe I have
money to throw away getting it serviced (and fixed if necessary)
before sale, but I'm probably passing it on to a learner, and the next
owner's life depends on it.

When negotiating, I like to be able to say "take it or leave it", so I
will get the next bike before advertising the current one for sale.
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Fraser Johnston wrote:

> I know what you mean. The Blackbird puts out a wall of heat on hot days like
> today. It is lovely in winter.

Eh? The Blackbird engine is almost entirely enclosed in fairing.
Compared to other bikes I've owned the XX was the most comfortable to
ride on a hot day. If anything there was not enough heat coming off the
engine to the rider, especially in winter, unless you take the fairing
off and remove the plastic inserts which stop the heat radiating onto
your legs.

Nev..
'07 XB12X
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"Nev.." <idiot.DeleteThis@mindless.com> wrote in message
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> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
>> I know what you mean. The Blackbird puts out a wall of heat on hot days
>> like today. It is lovely in winter.
>
> Eh? The Blackbird engine is almost entirely enclosed in fairing. Compared to
> other bikes I've owned the XX was the most comfortable to ride on a hot day.
> If anything there was not enough heat coming off the engine to the rider,
> especially in winter, unless you take the fairing off and remove the plastic
> inserts which stop the heat radiating onto your legs.

Really? Compared to my VTR it is hot as hell. Might be a body shape thing?

Fraser
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