Griso 8v

External Since: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 170

On Feb 4, 4:31 pm, atec77 <atec77NOS... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> JL wrote:
> >>> I don't mean to knock it - it looks and sounds like it'll be a lot of
> >>> fun, but as a naked twin sports bike it's the fat kid a lap down in
> >>> the 800m at the school sports carnival...
> >>> JL
> >> What about torque and of course the big one , how and where the "power"
> >> comes on ?
>
> > Well if you're driving a truck, or the motorcycle equivalent (a 350Kg
> > cruiser) then yeah, torque matters, but power to weight is what
> > matters on a sports bike.
>
> > Yes the 1200 Guzzi will undoubtably have more torque, but that's not
> > going to help fix it's obesity problem. Will probably make it easier
> > to get up on the back wheel though ! Smile

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> I would consider it if and when the Buell dies or a break it from
> thrashing to much Smile

I guess that's going to depend which Buell you have, if it's an older
model then yeah, the Griso would be a great upgrade - if its a
firebolt then mmm maybe.

> Weight wont help but I tend to roll the motor slowly and let it pull
> out of corners... more relaxed as I have to ask how wearing would be 10k
> revs for 4 or 5 days on a decent scoot ?

Not particularly on a motor that's designed to rev like that...how
much less stressful to ride 4 or 5 days on a bike that wasn't shaking
like a cement mixer ?

> I did Brisbane to the Alice on v7 years ago and the others all on
> jappers were much more shagged than I

Good on ya.

JL

External Since: Jan 16, 2008 Posts: 35

JL wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:35 pm, atec77 <atec77NOS....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> JL wrote:
>>> On Feb 3, 3:13 pm, G-S <ge....DeleteThis@castbus.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Iain Chalmers wrote:
>>>>> You know that's just gonna have the Jap sportsbike guys laughing (again)
>>>>> at Guzzis go-fast pretensions... "
>>>> Probably Smile

>>>> But it isn't competing against jap sportsbikes, it is competing against
>>>> other naked bikes.
>>>> The Suzuki SV1000(S) makes 108ps, the VTR1000 makes 107ps, the
>>>> Multistrada makes lots less than that and so do all of the Ducati
>>>> Monsters except for the 4 valve ones (and even then only the top end 4V
>>>> model makes substantially more). The new BMW R1200R makes about the same.
>>>> The Aprillia Tuono and the S4R are it for go faster options in this
>>>> market segment, and for Guzzi to be competitive power wise against
>>>> similar bikes hasn't been the case for a while.
>>>> YMMV
>>> 'Ang on a second, if you're going to compare tech specs, you'd better
>>> line up apples with oranges, as we all know it's not just HP that
>>> counts, it's power to weight. Assuming the above article is accurate,
>>> 489pounds equals 222Kg DRY weight.
>>> So...with 108Hp and 245Kg wet (plus or minus 5Kg), just about every
>>> bike you've mentioned (and you left off my bike - X Raptor) is going
>>> to have significantly better numbers. Same HP but much lighter.
>>> My bike is comparatively long in the tooth but
>>> 2004 X raptor 215Kg wet and dyno'd at 112HP (stock is 104).
>>> http://www.cagiva.com.au/welcome/docs/XtraRaptor1000spec.pdf
>>> The SV1000 has the same power at the griso 108HP (according to you,
>>> it's not on the website but your number sounds about right) and 186kg
>>> dry plus 17(fuel) + 3 (oil) so say 206 -> 210Kg tops
>>> http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/specifications.php?intBikeID=148
>>> Aprilia Tuono
>>> Factory - 139Hp, 181Kg dry plus 18L + oil say 22Kg - 203Kg 205 tops
>>> The lower spec Tuono has the same HP and weighs an extra 4Kg so call
>>> it 205 -210Kg
>>> http://www.aprilia.com.au/pdfs/tuonofactory07.pdf
>>> http://www.aprilia.com.au/pdfs/tuono2007.pdf
>>> Ducati 2V 1000 is 178Kg dry, and 95Hp plus 14L plus 4L of oil, say
>>> 196Kg -200 tops. The 4V S4R is 177Kg dry so say under 200kg and 130Hp.
>>> So what you really meant is compared to other Guzzis it's a high
>>> performance model ?
>>> I don't mean to knock it - it looks and sounds like it'll be a lot of
>>> fun, but as a naked twin sports bike it's the fat kid a lap down in
>>> the 800m at the school sports carnival...
>>> JL
>> What about torque and of course the big one , how and where the "power"
>> comes on ?
>
> Well if you're driving a truck, or the motorcycle equivalent (a 350Kg
> cruiser) then yeah, torque matters, but power to weight is what
> matters on a sports bike.
>
> Yes the 1200 Guzzi will undoubtably have more torque, but that's not
> going to help fix it's obesity problem. Will probably make it easier
> to get up on the back wheel though ! Smile

>
> It's down 30HP on the naked twins in the same price category, and it's
> 10 -15grand dearer than bikes with the same HP but far better power to
> weight. It's a nice try but it's going to continue to be a niche
> player for the died in the wool guzzisti and those who want something
> different. In other words I'd probably buy one if I had unlimited
> funds and a very large shed !! Smile

>
> JL
>
I would consider it if and when the Buell dies or a break it from
thrashing to much Smile

Weight wont help but I tend to roll the motor slowly and let it pull
out of corners... more relaxed as I have to ask how wearing would be 10k
revs for 4 or 5 days on a decent scoot ?
I did Brisbane to the Alice on v7 years ago and the others all on
jappers were much more shagged than I