For the sidecar owner wanting more power

"SteveB" <boyds.RemoveThis@ains.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Jan 23, 4:44 pm, CrazyCam <crazy....RemoveThis@upturnet.com.au> wrote:
>> SteveB wrote:
>> > On Jan 23, 6:55 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.rotohak.com/
>>
>> >> NOt your average BMW. Not really a BMW at all....
>>
>> >> Zebee
>>
>> > If he wanted a car, why didn't he just go buy a car?
>>
>> > By the way, what is the BMW motor there for now, disguise?
>>
>> I'd say it was self evident, he didn't want a car.
>>
>> Have you no soul, Steve?
>>
>> The bloke builds a thing of absolutely outstanding style, class and
>> weirdness, and you carp about it.
>>
>> It might not be to your taste, or mine, but I have to admit that if he
>> rolled that thing up to my place and offered me a drive of it up and
>> down the Old Road, I'd have a go at it, and probably enjoy it.
>>
>> regards,
>> CrazyCam
>
> Sorry CC, just my bias against three wheelers showing. That and
> ruining a perfectly good BMW R1150 (well I assume it was).
>
> SteveB

Pity you have a bias against three wheelers, they are fun to ride and even
more fun to race them
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SteveB wrote:

> They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
> is. And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.

I hardly ever lane split... but that's because I do most of my riding on
roads where there is no traffic, just lots and lots of corners... of
course those roads you ride on -with so much traffic that lane splitting
is essential- sound like a lot of fun too...

Nev..
'07 XB12X
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"SteveB" <boyds.DeleteThis@ains.net.au> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 7:10 pm, "George W. Frost" <fro....DeleteThis@iceworks.org> wrote:
>> "SteveB" <bo....DeleteThis@ains.net.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> > On Jan 23, 4:44 pm, CrazyCam <crazy....DeleteThis@upturnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >> SteveB wrote:
>> >> > On Jan 23, 6:55 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>http://www.rotohak.com/
>>
>> >> >> NOt your average BMW. Not really a BMW at all....
>>
>> >> >> Zebee
>>
>> >> > If he wanted a car, why didn't he just go buy a car?
>>
>> >> > By the way, what is the BMW motor there for now, disguise?
>>
>> >> I'd say it was self evident, he didn't want a car.
>>
>> >> Have you no soul, Steve?
>>
>> >> The bloke builds a thing of absolutely outstanding style, class and
>> >> weirdness, and you carp about it.
>>
>> >> It might not be to your taste, or mine, but I have to admit that if he
>> >> rolled that thing up to my place and offered me a drive of it up and
>> >> down the Old Road, I'd have a go at it, and probably enjoy it.
>>
>> >> regards,
>> >> CrazyCam
>>
>> > Sorry CC, just my bias against three wheelers showing. That and
>> > ruining a perfectly good BMW R1150 (well I assume it was).
>>
>> > SteveB
>>
>> Pity you have a bias against three wheelers, they are fun to ride and
>> even
>> more fun to race them
>
> Well George
>
> Racing is different. A mate of mine used to race chairs back when they
> first started using kneelers. I have to admit a blast down the
> straight laying out flat in the chair at who knows how many km/hr is
> mind blowing.

Going down the straight laying flat on the floor of the kneeler is fun but
not that much fun, going around a left hand corner is best, laying out as
far as your arms will let you, half an inch off the rocks they seem to put
on the corners, then having to get up and over the other side to hang out
looking at the riders foot, then back again

That is the fun

>
> However a three wheeler on the road is another thing entirely.
> To my mind they are the worst of both worlds.
> They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
> is.

It is fun going around a left hander on a road outfit, when the chair lifts
up and you go around the corner with the chair at a 45 degree angle in the
air, that's fun, especially for the one in the chair
Also you can keep the chair in the air for quite a long time

>>And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.

No it's not essential at all, you can get to wherever you are going without
lane splitting, although I am not against lane splitting when riding solo


> But being stuck in the traffic with the tin tops you don't have their
> benefits, like a roof, a CD player and air conditioning.

Air conditioning.??
....on an outfit, you have natural air conditioning and you don't have to
re-gas it each year
and who really needs a CD player?
are you such a wuss that you need to listen to a CD player while you are
travelling?


>>Why bother.
>
> So there you have it. Why I don't like three wheelers.
>
> I'm sure there must be some benefits, like if you lost a leg or
> something and you still wanted to feel a part of the scene.

No way Jose... just because someone loses a leg, doesn't mean that they have
to give up riding a solo.
I have seen many a rider over the years arrive at the pub or partly or
anywhere else riding solo and they only have one leg
matter of fact, I have known a couple riders who had only one arm still rode
their solo machines.


> But I suspect that's not what you see in them.
>
> SteveB

Not having a go at you Steve....yes I am
but just because you don't like three wheelers, doesn't mean that everyone
else should not like them
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In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:54:56 -0800 (PST)
SteveB <boyds RemoveThis @ains.net.au> wrote:
>
> Racing is different. A mate of mine used to race chairs back when they
> first started using kneelers. I have to admit a blast down the
> straight laying out flat in the chair at who knows how many km/hr is
> mind blowing.

Nah, that's just speed.

Hanging out on a chair around Southern Loop with your shoulder and hip
skimming the track, now *that's* mindblowing.

Doing the same on a speedway bike, that crosses over into mind
destroying.

Zebee
- whose adrenal glands never recovered from speedway.
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On Jan 24, 10:38 pm, "Nev.." <id... RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
> > They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
> > is. And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.
>
> I hardly ever lane split... but that's because I do most of my riding on
> roads where there is no traffic, just lots and lots of corners... of
> course those roads you ride on -with so much traffic that lane splitting
> is essential- sound like a lot of fun too...
>
> Nev..
> '07 XB12X

Nev, you must be one of the lucky ones who can avoid clogged roads.
Unfortunately many can not.

In fact I no longer have to put up with such conditions myself. But
that does not change the need of the many. Notice I say need, not
preference.

SteveB
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On Jan 24, 10:42 pm, "George W. Frost" <fro....TakeThisOut@iceworks.org> wrote:
> "SteveB" <bo....TakeThisOut@ains.net.au> wrote in message
>
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>
> Going down the straight laying flat on the floor of the kneeler is fun but
> not that much fun, going around a left hand corner is best, laying out as
> far as your arms will let you, half an inch off the rocks they seem to put
> on the corners, then having to get up and over the other side to hang out
> looking at the riders foot, then back again
>
> That is the fun

Yep, have to agree with that.

> > However a three wheeler on the road is another thing entirely.
> > To my mind they are the worst of both worlds.
> > They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
> > is.
>
> It is fun going around a left hander on a road outfit, when the chair lifts
> up and you go around the corner with the chair at a 45 degree angle in the
> air, that's fun, especially for the one in the chair
> Also you can keep the chair in the air for quite a long time

You are now talking of trick riding, not normal riding (for some value
of normal)

>
> >>And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.
>
> No it's not essential at all, you can get to wherever you are going without
> lane splitting, although I am not against lane splitting when riding solo
>
> > But being stuck in the traffic with the tin tops you don't have their
> > benefits, like a roof, a CD player and air conditioning.
>
> Air conditioning.??
> ...on an outfit, you have natural air conditioning and you don't have to
> re-gas it each year
> and who really needs a CD player?
> are you such a wuss that you need to listen to a CD player while you are
> travelling?
>
I might remind you that sitting in the middle of a traffic jam and not
being able to escape is not travelling, its sitting. And when I am
forced to just sit, instead of travelling, then I appreciate some of
the comforts. If that makes me a wuss in your eyes, then thats just
your view.

> >>Why bother.
>
> > So there you have it. Why I don't like three wheelers.
>
> > I'm sure there must be some benefits, like if you lost a leg or
> > something and you still wanted to feel a part of the scene.
>
> No way Jose... just because someone loses a leg, doesn't mean that they have
> to give up riding a solo.
> I have seen many a rider over the years arrive at the pub or partly or
> anywhere else riding solo and they only have one leg
> matter of fact, I have known a couple riders who had only one arm still rode
> their solo machines.

Point taken, but there must be other reasons why someone might ride a
three wheeler when they cannot ride a solo.

> > But I suspect that's not what you see in them.
>
> > SteveB
>
> Not having a go at you Steve....yes I am
> but just because you don't like three wheelers, doesn't mean that everyone
> else should not like them


Agreed. And if you look back at my previous posts I did not say that
others cannot ride them, I just put forward my reasons for not doing
so.

SteveB
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On Jan 25, 6:19 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:54:56 -0800 (PST)
>
> SteveB <bo....DeleteThis@ains.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Racing is different. A mate of mine used to race chairs back when they
> > first started using kneelers. I have to admit a blast down the
> > straight laying out flat in the chair at who knows how many km/hr is
> > mind blowing.
>
> Nah, that's just speed.
>
> Hanging out on a chair around Southern Loop with your shoulder and hip
> skimming the track, now *that's* mindblowing.
>
> Doing the same on a speedway bike, that crosses over into mind
> destroying.
>
> Zebee
> - whose adrenal glands never recovered from speedway.


For those with a long memory, I used to work for David Cottrel (sp?)
who from memory won some Victorian speedway sidecar championships on
hos Vincent powered outfits. Some of the best racing I ever saw was on
the grass long track at Romsey north of Melbourne.

However watching him trying to walk after his big crash sorta put me
off getting onto any vehicle which could do 100mph and had no brakes.

SteveB
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"SteveB" <boyds DeleteThis @ains.net.au> wrote in message
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>> It is fun going around a left hander on a road outfit, when the chair
>> lifts
>> up and you go around the corner with the chair at a 45 degree angle in
>> the
>> air, that's fun, especially for the one in the chair
>> Also you can keep the chair in the air for quite a long time
>
> You are now talking of trick riding, not normal riding (for some value
> of normal)

Standard vehical operation for an outfit.


>>
>> No way Jose... just because someone loses a leg, doesn't mean that they
>> have
>> to give up riding a solo.
>> I have seen many a rider over the years arrive at the pub or partly or
>> anywhere else riding solo and they only have one leg
>> matter of fact, I have known a couple riders who had only one arm still
>> rode
>> their solo machines.
>
> Point taken, but there must be other reasons why someone might ride a
> three wheeler when they cannot ride a solo.

I like my outfit because I can take the misses and 2 kids with me.

Boxer
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SteveB wrote:
> On Jan 24, 10:38 pm, "Nev.." <id... RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote:
>> SteveB wrote:
>>> They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
>>> is. And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.
>> I hardly ever lane split... but that's because I do most of my riding on
>> roads where there is no traffic, just lots and lots of corners... of
>> course those roads you ride on -with so much traffic that lane splitting
>> is essential- sound like a lot of fun too...
>
> Nev, you must be one of the lucky ones who can avoid clogged roads.
> Unfortunately many can not.
>
> In fact I no longer have to put up with such conditions myself. But
> that does not change the need of the many. Notice I say need, not
> preference.

So if you don't need to lane split, why is lane splitting ability essential?

Nev..
'07 XB12X
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On Jan 23, 6:55 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.rotohak.com/


I remember the first Gen of this years ago, it looked like a K100LT
then. It has very few bike parts in it.

Why? He wanted a bike he could pass off as a BMW at BMW rallies, also
he wanted to overcome the low power to weight and high COG that
sidecars have. In the initial build the K engine and gearbox were
hollow and used as the fuel tank. He updated the running gear and the
bodywork to freshen it up, its been around for a few years now. This
guy builds hotrods and basically took it as a challenge starting with
a chalk drawing on the floor showing where the wheels would be located
and building from there.

The offset sidecar wheel is normal(it's for handling), from memory he
was using Kombi hubs for want of a better word which allow you to
offset the drive (normally up/down, but he's gone front/rear).

Why ride a sidecar? They are fun, no they are not a bike and you cant
lean them, but they arent a car either. They are fun and a challenge
on their own terms. I've got both a solo and a sidecar, the sidecar
probably gets used more, great for poodling around and doing errands,
the dogs like it, people smile at it cause its unusual, you can carry
lots of gear when you need to. I don't have mine cause I've got one
leg, I don't have it to carry kids around, I've got it cause I like
it, simple as that.

If you don't get it and don't want one, well you don't have to. But
don't knock it cause you don't get it. I don't particularly like
trikes and never want to have anything to do with on yself, especially
VWs but I can see that others might want one.

Al
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On Jan 26, 3:32 pm, Alan Pennykid <alan.penny....DeleteThis@aanet.com.au>
wrote:>
> Why ride a sidecar?  They are fun, no they are not a bike and you cant
> lean them, but they arent a car either.  They are fun and a challenge
> on their own terms.  I've got both a solo and a sidecar, the sidecar
> probably gets used more, great for poodling around and doing errands,
> the dogs like it, people smile at it cause its unusual, you can carry
> lots of gear when you need to.  I don't have mine cause I've got one
> leg, I don't have it to carry kids around, I've got it cause I like
> it, simple as that.

Speaking of which, did you take the sidecar up the putty road weekend
before last (umm Sunday 13th I think) - pretty sure I it was you I
waved at about 30Km south of the halfway house

JL
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> Speaking of which, did you take the sidecar up the putty road weekend
> before last (umm Sunday 13th I think) - pretty sure I it was you I
> waved at about 30Km south of the halfway house
>
> JL

Not me John I was overseas in Cygnet, Tasmania that weekend having a
good time. I did have the sidecar with me though. I don't know if
you've seen the current one though(had it for 14 months, just a
standard metallic red RS with a red gelcoat HRD sidecar. Pogo's
1000GTR/HRD looks a bit similar at a glance.

Al
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On Jan 25, 11:20 pm, "Nev.." <id... RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 10:38 pm, "Nev.." <id... RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote:
> >> SteveB wrote:
> >>> They can't corner like a bike, which, lets face it, is where the fun
> >>> is. And they can't lane split, which these days is essential.
> >> I hardly ever lane split... but that's because I do most of my riding on
> >> roads where there is no traffic, just lots and lots of corners... of
> >> course those roads you ride on -with so much traffic that lane splitting
> >> is essential- sound like a lot of fun too...
>
> > Nev, you must be one of the lucky ones who can avoid clogged roads.
> > Unfortunately many can not.
>
> > In fact I no longer have to put up with such conditions myself. But
> > that does not change the need of the many. Notice I say need, not
> > preference.
>
> So if you don't need to lane split, why is lane splitting ability essential?
>
> Nev..
> '07 XB12X

Just because I don't have to do it every day does not mean I don't do
it occasionally.

SteveB
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