1983 honda CB1000C

On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:21:15 +0000, totallydeadmailbox RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

>That would mean that, for example, a CBR600, 1997 vintage, now no longer
>has parts made for it.

If the parts will also fit some newer bike, they're still on the shelf. If it's
used only on the older bike, forget it.

Try to find a set of Honda brake pads for a V65 Sabre. *If* you ask for Sabre
pads you'll get "Those are out of production" but if you cross reference other
bikes that take the same part which still are current, you can get them.

We were lately informed that Honda no longer makes spare parts for the '94 Magna
we have. When the current stockpile is gone, it's gone.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:45:49 GMT, "Ken Abrams" <harvest_this RemoveThis @scum.suckers>
wrote:

>Over the years I have been amazed at some of the 20 year old "real" Honda
>parts they have been able to come up with.

Translation: They found one on a dusty shelf somewhere. The part certainly
wasn't "new", just New Old Stock.

> There have also been cases where
>they can't get things that old from Honda and won't take their time to root
>them out somewhere else. That should be no surprise to anybody though.

Bingo. So the aftermarket guys get someone to build the stuff that's economical
to build, that will move, and they sell it until it's no longer economical or
the lack of demand doesn't justify the cost of keeping it in stock. Then you're
stuck digging through junkyards or getting something custom built or modified
from something else.

Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts. I
said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

The pimple-faced kid behind the counter may try to order them for you, not
knowing that they don't exist. The book he's looking at may be older than he
is. That does not equal corporate Honda support, that is a kid that doesn't
know anything except how to punch in a part number, doing what he's trained to
do and telling you whatever you want to hear.

When the rubber meets the road, Honda doesn't make the part anymore and unless
someone has a NOS item, you're not going to get it from Honda.

I've dealt with too many of the 20+ year old bikes, and I know what my
experience and the experience of other old Honda V4 owners has been. Ignition
modules are in very short supply, and all of them are used. Just this year
someone came out with a module that will work, but it costs nearly as much as
the value of the bike. You won't get one from Honda. They stopped making them
15 years ago and the stuff on the shelves has dried up.

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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x DeleteThis @tds.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:21:15 +0000, totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >What you've highlighted is the inadequacy of some (many?) Honda dealers,
> >*not* Honda's spares back-up.
>
> Honda corporate policy. When whatever is still on the shelf for the older
> bikes is gone, there won't be any more, not from Honda.
>
Oh yes, agreed. *But the cut-off period is longer than 10 years*.

And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).


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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x RemoveThis @tds.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:21:15 +0000, totallydeadmailbox RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >That would mean that, for example, a CBR600, 1997 vintage, now no longer
> >has parts made for it.
>
> If the parts will also fit some newer bike, they're still on the shelf.
> If it's used only on the older bike, forget it.

Nonsense.
>
> Try to find a set of Honda brake pads for a V65 Sabre. *If* you ask for Sabre
> pads you'll get "Those are out of production" but if you cross reference other
> bikes that take the same part which still are current, you can get them.

So what's the problem with that?
>
> We were lately informed that Honda no longer makes spare parts for the '94
> Magna we have.

You were misinformed. Some parts, almost certainly. Again, it was not a
super-popular model


> When the current stockpile is gone, it's gone.
>
Not for all parts.

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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x.TakeThisOut@tds.net> wrote:

> >US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit.
>
> That's not a Honda dealer, is it?

It's a genuine Honda part, and it's available. So a Honda dealer can
obtain it.

>
> >Are we feeling foolish yet?
>
> Yeah, I guess you are but you'll never admit it.

That's because I'm not the one looking an ass.

>
> The fact is that Honda does not support the older bikes.

They as sure as hell support bikes older than 10 years, which is what
you *did* say.

> I never said the parts aren't out there because they are. You just won't
> get them from a Honda dealer from Honda stock.

Yes, you *will*,if you use a good dealer. Once again, you are confusing
an idle dealer's policy with that of Honda itself. This crucial
difference has already been pointed out to you and you are choosing to
ignore it.

>
> Ford doesn't support the Model T anymore but you can still get any part
> you need. You just won't get it from Ford. And you may pay through the
> nose to get it.
>
> And some of the parts aren't out there anywhere. Find an ignition module
> for an 85 Magna. Or something common, like a gas tank or a side cover.

I acknowledged that some parts are unavailable. I pointed out that an
'85 Magna is nearly a quarter of a century old, and your assertion was
that bikes over 10 years old, not 23 years old, were not supported. I
also pointed out that this was not a particularly popular model anyway.


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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x.RemoveThis@tds.net> wrote:

> Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts. I
> said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

You said Honda don't make parts for bikes *more than 10 years old*, and
this is nonsense.

>
> The pimple-faced kid behind the counter may try to order them for you, not
> knowing that they don't exist. The book he's looking at may be older than he
> is. That does not equal corporate Honda support, that is a kid that doesn't
> know anything except how to punch in a part number, doing what he's trained to
> do and telling you whatever you want to hear.

That's a dealer failing, not a Honda Motor Co failing.

>
> When the rubber meets the road, Honda doesn't make the part anymore and unless
> someone has a NOS item, you're not going to get it from Honda.

If Honda ceases making parts, yes, right, but this is the same of *all*
vehicles. There comes a point when you stop making bits for them. When
there are so few on the road that it's just not worthwhile.

>
> I've dealt with too many of the 20+ year old bikes, and I know what my
> experience and the experience of other old Honda V4 owners has been.
> Ignition modules are in very short supply, and all of them are used. Just
> this year someone came out with a module that will work, but it costs
> nearly as much as the value of the bike. You won't get one from Honda.
> They stopped making them 15 years ago and the stuff on the shelves has
> dried up.

You seem to deliberately be picking one of Honda's least successful
model lines - the early V4s.

Look, I can order brand new OE Honda stuff for my 1974 SL125, if I want
to. OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
items and even quite a few engine parts.



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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:18:01 +0000, totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

>And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
>there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).

Proof?

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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:18:01 +0000, totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> it was not a super-popular model

When did that become part of the argument? If you're going to buy a bike and
keep it for a long time, make sure you buy something that's going to be a
popular item 20 years from now.

I'm going to get into the crystal ball business, I can make a fortune.

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"Jack Hunt" <jhunt1x.DeleteThis@tds.net> wrote

> Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts.
> I
> said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.
>

No you didn't. You said "Honda doesn't support bikes over 10 years old."
That statement is easily disproven but egotistical ass that you are, you
refuse to give up.

You can back-pedal and side-step and claim not to have said what you did but
the fact remains that your initial spew was (and is) bullshit.
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:23:26 +0000, totallydeadmailbox.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

>OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
>items and even quite a few engine parts.

....that also fits something else.

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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x.RemoveThis@tds.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:18:01 +0000, totallydeadmailbox.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
> >there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).
>
> Proof?
>

See the Honda 400 Four in my sig? You can still get brand new OE
exhausts for it (largely due to pressure from David Silver Esq who sells
hundreds every year). The price has recently gone up significantly, from
£250-odd to £425 or so (double it for US dollars), and these are *not*
NOS parts. They're still being made.

OK, so they're pricey, but you can buy one from D.Silver Esq or from a
Honda UK dealer.

That's cast-iron proof. What proof have you got for your assertion that
they don't make any parts for bikes older than 10 years?

(I can still get brand new camchains and points sets for my 1974 SL125.
I don't know whether these are still being manufactured, though)


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Jack Hunt <jhunt1x DeleteThis @tds.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:23:26 +0000, totallydeadmailbox DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
> >items and even quite a few engine parts.
>
> ...that also fits something else.
>
See my other posting about the SL125. That's an engine that Honda
stopped making in, erm, well, its last incarnation was in the mid-1980s.

So I seriously doubt that parts like camchain, piston, etc fit other
bikes.

Anyway, you're *still* changing your markers. Originally it was "no
support for bikes over 10 years old". Now it's "not manufacturing unique
parts for bikes over 10 years old".

Don't keep moving the goalposts.


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By choosing to completely ignore my request for a source for you
statement that Honda does not support bikes older than 10 years you show
that this is only your impression, NOT a policy of Honda. As so well
pointed out to you, many parts are available. I do a lot of work on Gold
Wings and can assure you that I still am able to get what I need from
AHM for bikes older than 10 years. Of course it is true that SOME parts
are no longer available. If Honda was to continue to stock all parts for
everything that they sold for the last 10, 15, 20 or 25 years do you
have any idea what the cost to you would be? You would be starting a new
thread about how Honda was ripping of the public with their high prices.
As was pointed out before, the whole V-4 line of the mid 80's was not
one of the best efforts of Honda. I have worked on them from the time
they came out and there were times when a bike left the shop that we
crossed our fingers and hopped that it would hold together, and this was
using genuine Honda parts. It is not a big surprise that the parts
supply for these is running low.
I would once again ask for a source for your statement that bikes older
than 10 years are not supported. You silence will speak volumes.

Bruce

Ken Abrams wrote:
>
> "Jack Hunt" <jhunt1x.TakeThisOut@tds.net> wrote
>
>> Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old
>> parts. I
>> said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.
>>
>
> No you didn't. You said "Honda doesn't support bikes over 10 years old."
> That statement is easily disproven but egotistical ass that you are, you
> refuse to give up.
>
> You can back-pedal and side-step and claim not to have said what you did
> but the fact remains that your initial spew was (and is) bullshit.
>
>
>
>
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