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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:40 pm
Post subject: estoril: thank you michelin, yamaha, honda...and kudos to stoner!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:09 am
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wamanning.TakeThisOut@email.com wrote:
> michelin a good tire (finally).
Yep. The tire had the speed, but the question was on life, and it turned
out that it lasted long enough.
> yamaha for a good motor (finally).
For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
> honda for a hayden-friendly setup (finally).
Not sure what that means. My guess is that bike was no more "friendly"
to Hayden than it's been all year. He makes the best of it, but it's not
quite enough.
> and stoner for a good fight on a dodgy bike.
Bike? Don't you mean tires?
> if the 800s continue with this sort of racing, i can live with this
> motogp formula!
My unscientific take is that it ended up a Michelin weekend - 1st, 2nd,
4th, Melandri 17 seconds back, Hopkins 19 seconds, Checa in 7th, Elias
41 seconds back, Capirossi 43. If so, you have to give Stoner huge
credit for staying in it. But next time out it could be back to the same
ol' - and it should, considering it's Motegi, where Capirossi has won on
Bridgestones the last two years and Tamada before that. The problem is
when it's a Bridgestone weekend, no one else can stay with Stoner, but
when it's not, there are more guys capable of running at the front. In
Germany, had Rossi and Hayden not qualified so poorly, Rossi not pressed
too hard and crashed out and Stoner made Capirossi's tire choice, we
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:29 am
Post subject: Re: estoril: thank you michelin, yamaha, honda...and kudos to stoner! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sep 17, 10:09 am, Mark N <menusb....DeleteThis@NYETSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
> > and stoner for a good fight on a dodgy bike.
>
> Bike? Don't you mean tires?
>
stoner's comments suggested it was the clutch. he said it took most
of the race to figure out how to ride with it, and that's when he
started closing up on rossi & pedrosa. >> Stay informed about: estoril: thank you michelin, yamaha, honda...and kudos to .. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:46 pm
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> > > and stoner for a good fight on a dodgy bike.
>
> > Bike? Don't you mean tires?
>
> stoner's comments suggested it was the clutch. he said it took most
> of the race to figure out how to ride with it, and that's when he
> started closing up on rossi & pedrosa.
Yes he said the clutch stopped dragging under braking after lap five
and it was like being in neutral or having the clutch pulled in
everytime he braked. A pity really as it would have been good to see
the 3 of them really going for it.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:27 pm
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another thing that gave me more insight to stoner's class was seeing
the telemtry of him and pedrosa during their fight early on.
stoner's acceleration and braking metrics were far smoother and less
extreme than pedrosas, yet he was able to fight quite impressively.
such smoothness, as if his telemetry was on slow-motion, while
pedrosas was on fast-forward.
granted, he's boring as a stick of wood in the post-race interviews.
for that, rossi is tremendous and i welcomed him back. the
interviewer basically does a 1 sentence introduction, and rossie gives
an insightful and entertainign recount of the race and his effort w/o
further prompting.
you could see the weariness on rossi...both as he cross the finish
line, and during the post-race.
i really enjoyied the racing @ the front for a change. reminded me of
the 990s.. mebbe next round hayden will stay in the fight!
-w
On Sep 17, 3:46 pm, Paul B <Woof....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes he said the clutch stopped dragging under braking after lap five
> and it was like being in neutral or having the clutch pulled in
> everytime he braked. A pity really as it would have been good to see
> the 3 of them really going for it. >> Stay informed about: estoril: thank you michelin, yamaha, honda...and kudos to .. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:19 pm
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In article <13et2fs7fol1i52 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
Mark N <menusbaum DeleteThis @NYETSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
> wamanning DeleteThis @email.com wrote:
> > michelin a good tire (finally).
>
> Yep. The tire had the speed, but the question was on life, and it turned
> out that it lasted long enough.
>
> > yamaha for a good motor (finally).
>
> For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
From RRW ( http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=30256 ):
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"Three of my tyre choices for this weekend were our new compound and unfortunately
two of them didn't work too well at this track so we only really had one choice for
the race. It worked okay on the right but on the left I had no grip at all and that
was a real problem. Every lap I was losing half a second through the two left-handers
- I was getting slow on the first one and then everyone was passing me through the
second one and there was nothing I could do. It's really disappointing because I've
always gone good here, but today I never had the grip I needed. We turned the bike
upside-down and everyone did their best, but it wasn't to be today."
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:02 pm
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> > yamaha for a good motor (finally).
>
> For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
Would Rossi's motor really be any different than Edwards'? I could
understand the factory Yamahas running newer / different parts than
Tech 3 Yamaha, But wouldn't Edwards have the same equipment as Rossi
on race weekend?
Maybe not... I remember Hayden complaining at the beginning of the
season about Pedrosa having new parts and none for him. Is that
correct? or was I misunderstanding something
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:51 pm
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In article <7mgbxBz5F37GFAer DeleteThis @jblaptop.voidstar.com>,
Julian Bond <julian_bond DeleteThis @voidstar.com> wrote:
> Kyle <kyle.edmonds DeleteThis @gmail.com> Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:40:28
> >> > yamaha for a good motor (finally).
> >> For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
> >
> >Would Rossi's motor really be any different than Edwards'? I could
> >understand the factory Yamahas running newer / different parts than
> >Tech 3 Yamaha, But wouldn't Edwards have the same equipment as Rossi
> >on race weekend?
>
> This is the team that takes 6 months to do a new fairing and then
> doesn't give it to Edwards.
>
> >Maybe not... I remember Hayden complaining at the beginning of the
> >season about Pedrosa having new parts and none for him. Is that
> >correct? or was I misunderstanding something
>
> I don't remember Hayden saying that. But I do remember a lot of people
> here claiming it was true.
If enough people claim it's true (or a few people claim it frequently enough) then
it becomes true.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:41 am
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Kyle <kyle.edmonds DeleteThis @gmail.com> Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:40:28
>> > yamaha for a good motor (finally).
>> For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
>
>Would Rossi's motor really be any different than Edwards'? I could
>understand the factory Yamahas running newer / different parts than
>Tech 3 Yamaha, But wouldn't Edwards have the same equipment as Rossi
>on race weekend?
This is the team that takes 6 months to do a new fairing and then
doesn't give it to Edwards.
>Maybe not... I remember Hayden complaining at the beginning of the
>season about Pedrosa having new parts and none for him. Is that
>correct? or was I misunderstanding something
I don't remember Hayden saying that. But I do remember a lot of people
here claiming it was true.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:53 am
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Howard Kveck fully supports his efforts:
> Julian Bond continues to hide his head in the sand:
>> Kyle
>>> Maybe not... I remember Hayden complaining at the beginning of the
>>> season about Pedrosa having new parts and none for him. Is that
>>> correct? or was I misunderstanding something
>> I don't remember Hayden saying that. But I do remember a lot of people
>> here claiming it was true.
> If enough people claim it's true (or a few people claim it frequently enough) then
> it becomes true.
So is your position that it's not true unless Hayden publicly states
it's true? Because Hayden is less of a complainer than any rider in that
paddock from what I've seen. But when GP reporters talk about parts
Pedrosa has and Hayden apparently doesn't, that's not good enough for
you? On top of the minimal effort Honda made last year to fix his
problematic bike, including that chronic clutch problem? And the
non-issue that Pedrosa's world record bonehead move at Estoril was to
Honda? And the minibike they trotted out for '07 at that time? What sort
of evidence registers on your rusted-solid meter? >> Stay informed about: estoril: thank you michelin, yamaha, honda...and kudos to .. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:34 am
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<wamanning.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> stoner's acceleration and braking metrics were far smoother and less
> extreme than pedrosas, yet he was able to fight quite impressively.
> such smoothness, as if his telemetry was on slow-motion, while
> pedrosas was on fast-forward.
>
> granted, he's boring as a stick of wood in the post-race interviews.
> for that, rossi is tremendous and i welcomed him back. the
> interviewer basically does a 1 sentence introduction, and rossie gives
> an insightful and entertainign recount of the race and his effort w/o
> further prompting.
Doohan wasn't the chattiest of people either but he was a biking god god to
me when I was a bit younger. The guy was a cripple and he still rode like
nobody else did, that was all that counted. Rossi's antics may have won him
lots of half-clueless fans, but I believe that his true supporters onle see
a great rider and nothing else (I personally respect his talent and ability,
but don't really support him).
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:34 am
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:09:33 -0700, Mark N
<menusbaum RemoveThis @NYETSPAMearthlink.net> dropped the following oil-slick:
>Not sure what that means. My guess is that bike was no more "friendly"
>to Hayden than it's been all year. He makes the best of it, but it's not
>quite enough.
>
Congragulations to Hayden for a good ride. It is the first time in
two years I have seen him race hard though.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:45 am
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:08:35 +0100, gomez <adams_gomez DeleteThis @hotmail.notcom>
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>On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:09:33 -0700, Mark N
><menusbaum DeleteThis @NYETSPAMearthlink.net> dropped the following oil-slick:
>
>>Not sure what that means. My guess is that bike was no more "friendly"
>>to Hayden than it's been all year. He makes the best of it, but it's not
>>quite enough.
>>
>Congragulations to Hayden for a good ride. It is the first time in
>two years I have seen him race hard though.
Quite a credit to him to become world champion without really trying,
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:29 pm
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On Sep 18, 1:41 am, Julian Bond <julian_b... DeleteThis @voidstar.com> wrote:
> Kyle <kyle.edmo... DeleteThis @gmail.com> Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:40:28
>
> >> > yamaha for a good motor (finally).
> >> For Rossi. But what about Edwards (10th, 45 seconds back)?
>
> >Would Rossi's motor really be any different than Edwards'? I could
> >understand the factory Yamahas running newer / different parts than
> >Tech 3 Yamaha, But wouldn't Edwards have the same equipment as Rossi
> >on race weekend?
>
> This is the team that takes 6 months to do a new fairing and then
> doesn't give it to Edwards.
>
> >Maybe not... I remember Hayden complaining at the beginning of the
> >season about Pedrosa having new parts and none for him. Is that
> >correct? or was I misunderstanding something
>
> I don't remember Hayden saying that. But I do remember a lot of people
> here claiming it was true.
>
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Oh yeah! I remember when Rossi got the new fairing I was trying to see
if Edwards had it also, but he never got enough TV coverage to see...
How about that new motor though? Rossi and Pedrosa BOTH looked very
fast on the straights. I think i remember Pedrosa passing Stoner on
the straight. It must have been when he started having clutch issues.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:14 pm
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Kyle <kyle.edmonds.DeleteThis@gmail.com> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:29:49
>Oh yeah! I remember when Rossi got the new fairing I was trying to see
>if Edwards had it also, but he never got enough TV coverage to see...
Rossi got it one race earlier. Edwards was using it last weekend.
>How about that new motor though? Rossi and Pedrosa BOTH looked very
>fast on the straights. I think i remember Pedrosa passing Stoner on
>the straight. It must have been when he started having clutch issues.
It looks like the Repsol Hondas can stay in the slipstream and just pass
the Ducati. And the Yamaha can stay in the stream of the Honda but not
get passed. But all of that is very confused by how well either gets out
of the previous corner. The main thing is the Honda no longer looks
slow. And the Yamaha doesn't look as slow as it did.
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