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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:55 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:55 pm
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:48:00 GMT, "ewa" <tierod DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>someone told me the blm closed clear creek ..
>is that right????
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Find out all you want here.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.salinasramblersmc.org/clearcreek.htm" target="_blank">http://www.salinasramblersmc.org/clearcreek.htm</a>
It sucks. Here is a copy of one of the letters sent in by one of my
club members.
Mike Baxter
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Dear Director Clarke,
I am a member of the Timekeepers Motorcycle Club of Los Gatos
California. We are a non-profit club who organize and run three events
a year. One of the events is held at Metcalf County Park in San Jose
and the other two at the Clear Creek Management Area
I am writing you because I am having difficulty understanding the
decisions your Hollister California Field Office is making in regards
to the Clear Creek Management area. In their May 2005 Newsletter they
invited and encourage the community to be a part of the Clear Creek
grant process workshop on 05-17-2005. They also indicated they were
seeking public input regarding a dry season use restriction, the Jade
Mill development project and other restoration projects during the
workshop. The BLM office also scheduled a work day on June 3, 2005 at
the Clear Creek Management Area seeking public help to repair various
areas and become better acquainted with the BLM employees. We as an
OHV group queried our ideas and sent them to the Hollister Office
thinking they really wanted our input. Within eight days of the
workshop the Hollister BLM office issued a press release ordering the
closure of The Clear Creek Management Area on June 4, 2005 through
October 15, 2005 due to high asbestos levels. The Hollister Field
Office led us to believe they wanted our input in a dry season
closure. I realize now they misled us. There were many people who
took time off from work and drove an average of 50 miles one way to
attend the workshop. They later got together on their own time to make
some sound suggestions as the Hollister BLM Office requested in
regards to the seasonal closure. We as an OHV community feel we were
not informed of the Hollister Offices real intent to close The Clear
Creek Management Area. This kind decision making is misleading and
unacceptable.
I understand the BLM is being sued by special interest groups over the
mismanagement of the Clear Creek Management Area
I would like to bring the following issues to your attention:
For the past 19 years the Timekeepers Motorcycle Club was required by
the BLM to send the property owner’s who’s land we crossed a letter of
notification. If the affected land owner did not want us to cross
their property they were to return a self addressed (by TMC) post card
denying access to their property to the BLM. This year the Hollister
Field Office required us to obtain written permission from each land
owner. The Hollister Field Office has knowledge of all the land parcel
numbers and owner contact information. Instead of providing a list of
land owners that would be affected by our event course like they have
in years past, the Hollister Field Office only provided us with a list
of County parcel numbers for land owners within the Clear Creek
Management Area. The net result of this action was that TMC members
had to take time from work to travel 50 miles (one way) to the San
Benito County Assessors Office and collect the owner information. We
then had to contact each owner and ask them where their property was
located and permission to cross it. Many of the land owners inherited
their property and did not know where it was located within the Clear
Creek Management Area.
It seems to me that the Hollister BLM Office is going out of their way
to make the permit process much more difficult than it needs to be.
TMC has supported the Hollister BLM Office for the past 20 years by
volunteer work, attendance of TRT meetings, attended grant meetings,
provided membership at public hearing meetings and voted in support of
green sticker funding. In return, we feel that the Hollister BLM
Office has unilaterally made decisions with proper due process which
have made the permit process not only more difficult than it needs to
be, but are not listening to the majority user groups that recreate in
the CCMA.
Is it the BLM’s practice to mislead and not to work with non-profit
groups as the Hollister Field Office is demonstrating? I hope you or
someone appointed by you looks into the Hollister California Field
Office’s operations before the civil suits filed by anti access
group’s begin.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:55 pm
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Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:08 am
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oldfart wrote:
> Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
> They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
> lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
> Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
> only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
> hunters. OF
>
Please. Does that mean that the "lefties" are for the environment and
the "righties" are agin it? And, yeah, the lefty "Judge Control
Conference" is next week. You should stop by.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: clear creek |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:40 am
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Since: Dec 31, 2004 Posts: 437
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:55 pm
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:08:30 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.DeleteThis@alertsite.com>
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>oldfart wrote:
>> Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
>> They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
>> lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
>> Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
>> only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
>> hunters. OF
>Please. Does that mean that the "lefties" are for the environment and
>the "righties" are agin it? And, yeah, the lefty "Judge Control
>Conference" is next week. You should stop by.
The lefties claim that ONLY they are for "The Environment" and that
"righties" are again' it - which is not the truth but lefties are
incapable of speaking or knowing what the truth is, the only thing
they are really capable of is collectivization.
-k
'97 KTM 300MXC, '99 BetaTechno
Non-AMA, not D-36 anymore...
go: BRC,SJ Zouaves,CMP,CRPA-Life,GOC,GOA-Life,NRA, etc...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: clear creek |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:02 pm
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keith (I think, google news sucks dead donkey dorks) wibbles:
> Who on the Left is pro-dirtbiking?
Me.
> Most of the Ecoweenies and tree-huggers are leftists who have
> collectivized in Eco-Fundraising groups like the Sierra Club.
Bullshit. Leftists and econazis may be a large overlap but they
are not the same thing.
Go fast. Take chances.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:19 pm
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-keith wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:08:30 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.DeleteThis@alertsite.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>oldfart wrote:
>>
>>>Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
>>>They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
>>>lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
>>>Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
>>>only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
>>>hunters. OF
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>
>
>>Please. Does that mean that the "lefties" are for the environment and
>>the "righties" are agin it? And, yeah, the lefty "Judge Control
>>Conference" is next week. You should stop by.
>
>
> The lefties claim that ONLY they are for "The Environment" and that
> "righties" are again' it - which is not the truth but lefties are
> incapable of speaking or knowing what the truth is, the only thing
> they are really capable of is collectivization.
>
> -k
> '97 KTM 300MXC, '99 BetaTechno
> Non-AMA, not D-36 anymore...
> go: BRC,SJ Zouaves,CMP,CRPA-Life,GOC,GOA-Life,NRA, etc...
Pitiful. Please find a group that wants to hear this goop.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: clear creek |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:55 pm
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:19:35 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.RemoveThis@alertsite.com>
wrote:
>-keith wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:08:30 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.RemoveThis@alertsite.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>oldfart wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
>>>>They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
>>>>lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
>>>>Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
>>>>only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
>>>>hunters. OF
>>
>>
>>
>>>Please. Does that mean that the "lefties" are for the environment and
>>>the "righties" are agin it? And, yeah, the lefty "Judge Control
>>>Conference" is next week. You should stop by.
>>
>>
>> The lefties claim that ONLY they are for "The Environment" and that
>> "righties" are again' it - which is not the truth but lefties are
>> incapable of speaking or knowing what the truth is, the only thing
>> they are really capable of is collectivization.
>>
>> -k
>> '97 KTM 300MXC, '99 BetaTechno
>> Non-AMA, not D-36 anymore...
>> go: BRC,SJ Zouaves,CMP,CRPA-Life,GOC,GOA-Life,NRA, etc...
>
>Pitiful. Please find a group that wants to hear this goop.
rec.motorcycles.dirt - am I cross-posting without knowing it?
Who on the Left is pro-dirtbiking? Their message and work is
closure-based and anti-access - except for the hiking elite.
Most of the Ecoweenies and tree-huggers are leftists who have
collectivized in Eco-Fundraising groups like the Sierra Club. Their
agenda is to increase "wilderness."
They are against hunting and pro-animal in preference to people.
Many are working towards a utopian dream-wish, to return the landscape
to a pre-colonial state, much like the Taliban and their views of a
12th Century religious society.
Eat goop. Goop good. Dig goop with stick. Big chieftain much
civilizieded.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:55 pm
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-keith wrote:
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> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:19:35 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.DeleteThis@alertsite.com>
> wrote:
>
> >-keith wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:08:30 -0400, Mike Lucente <ml.DeleteThis@alertsite.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>oldfart wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Here is an example of why the lefties want control of all the judges.
> >>>>They don't need the Senate or House or the Presidency if they can use
> >>>>lawsuits to get their way. I have never seen an environmentalist at
> >>>>Clear Creek nor have I ever heard one talk about the place. About the
> >>>>only people who know where it it is located are off roaders and
> >>>>hunters. OF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Please. Does that mean that the "lefties" are for the environment and
> >>>the "righties" are agin it? And, yeah, the lefty "Judge Control
> >>>Conference" is next week. You should stop by.
> >>
> >>
> >> The lefties claim that ONLY they are for "The Environment" and that
> >> "righties" are again' it - which is not the truth but lefties are
> >> incapable of speaking or knowing what the truth is, the only thing
> >> they are really capable of is collectivization.
> >>
> >> -k
> >> '97 KTM 300MXC, '99 BetaTechno
> >> Non-AMA, not D-36 anymore...
> >> go: BRC,SJ Zouaves,CMP,CRPA-Life,GOC,GOA-Life,NRA, etc...
> >
> >Pitiful. Please find a group that wants to hear this goop.
>
> rec.motorcycles.dirt - am I cross-posting without knowing it?
>
> Who on the Left is pro-dirtbiking? Their message and work is
> closure-based and anti-access - except for the hiking elite.
> Most of the Ecoweenies and tree-huggers are leftists who have
> collectivized in Eco-Fundraising groups like the Sierra Club. Their
> agenda is to increase "wilderness."
Remember Alan Cranston, the Sierra Club sellout who wildernessized some of the
best parts of Kennedy Meadows and invented the Mojave Whatever? I was just
moved to look up his biography. He died 12/31/2000. Wish I'd known, I would
have celebrated. He had prostate cancer. Hope it hurt.
> They are against hunting and pro-animal in preference to people.
> Many are working towards a utopian dream-wish, to return the landscape
> to a pre-colonial state, much like the Taliban and their views of a
> 12th Century religious society.
>
> Eat goop. Goop good. Dig goop with stick. Big chieftain much
> civilizieded.
This goop suck. That guy's goop much better. Take that guy's goop. Tell guy
it for his own good and that it also be good send me goop when season change.
Guy stupid, he fall for it. Throw away digstick. Civilization good.
--
Cheers,
Bev
=======================================================================
"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:29 pm
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ewa wrote:
> someone told me the blm closed clear creek ..
> is that right????
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>
You'd think the tree huggers would be more than happy to
let us have an asbestos-laced quarry. Maybe even have a
few laughs over it. But no.
Makes me wonder if they petitioned to take it away from
us only because it was ours.
At least I have some memories of riding there. They can't
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:29 pm
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They wanted to take it away only because we enjoyed it. I say we
petition the BLM to let us ride in wildernes areas. This shit should
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:55 pm
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On 6 Jun 2005 14:02:46 -0700, "sturd" <mikesturdevant127 DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
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>> Who on the Left is pro-dirtbiking?
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>Me.
Marx & Engels? All that Das Kapital managed-economies for proletarian
bliss stuff? Gotcha, cool! You and Rowdy.
>> Most of the Ecoweenies and tree-huggers are leftists who have
>> collectivized in Eco-Fundraising groups like the Sierra Club.
>
>Bullshit. Leftists and econazis may be a large overlap but they
>are not the same thing.
So, overlap - how to describe it? I was thinking of something along
the lines of; "not all Leftists are Ecoweenies, but all Ecoweenies are
Leftists?" Or are they outside that frame essentially, "Arborists." ?
>Go fast. Take chances.
>Mike S.
-keith
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:28 pm
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"-keith" <khunwick.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:62i9a1p18mch8pfstdf0l7vvr47mjojuvc@4ax.com...
> On 6 Jun 2005 14:02:46 -0700, "sturd"
> <mikesturdevant127.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>> Who on the Left is pro-dirtbiking?
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>>Me.
>
> Marx & Engels? All that Das Kapital
> managed-economies for proletarian
> bliss stuff? Gotcha, cool! You and Rowdy.
>
>>> Most of the Ecoweenies and tree-huggers are
>>> leftists who have
>>> collectivized in Eco-Fundraising groups like
>>> the Sierra Club.
>>
>>Bullshit. Leftists and econazis may be a large
>>overlap but they
>>are not the same thing.
>
Interesting conversation might I interject a
thought or three?
> So, overlap - how to describe it? I was
> thinking of something along
> the lines of; "not all Leftists are Ecoweenies,
> but all Ecoweenies are
> Leftists?"
Actually the ecoweenies are more facsists that
leftists.
>Or are they outside that frame essentially,
>"Arborists." ?
And the current crop of Arborists AREN'T. What I
mean is that REAL Arborists would be mortified at
how the U.S. handles it's national forests. What
with the poor managment to such a point that there
are oft times uncontrollable fires. With proper
managment i.e. allowing fires but keeping it in
the national forests such that the undergrowth and
dead wood are burnt off but the healthy trees
survive. With less undergrowth and deadwood you
have less wildfires, that's a GOOD THING isn't it?
Naturally you need to reintroduce some animals
that have been stupidly removed from their natural
range. Animals that help regulate undergrowth and
other animal populations. i.e. bring back wolves
to keep down the wapiti population.
Oh bother, I just can't seem to say what I mean.
Never mind I'll just go sulk over how hard it is
to find DR370 parts.
SNIP
> -keith
> When in doubt, collectivize the throttle!
screw that! If the throttle is in MY hand I'm the
ONE person that will decide HOW much twist (or
not) it will receive.
--
Keith Schiffner
DR370's need love also
"For none of us can ever express the exact measure
of his needs or his thoughts or his sorrows; and
human speech is like a cracked kettle on which we
tap crude rhythms for bears to dance to, while we
long to make music that will melt the stars. "
Gustave Flaubert
or for those who prefer the K.I.S.S. version.
"The human language is like a cracked kettle on
which we beat out a tune for a dancing bear, when
we hope with our music to move the stars." Gustave
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