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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:37 pm
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It's been 3 weeks only, but it feels like months. Especially since we
had like 2 or 3 days of high 50's (one day it was 67). Bike's in the
exact same condition as it was when i found it with a note saying it
was dropped.
Went with my Haynes and my Clymer service manuals and tried to figure
it out. It's still two issues. And, of course, there's the meta-issue
of the insurance.
The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn. Can't figure out why or
what's broken or what i can do.
The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
scary.
I noticed, when i had the left side engine cover off, a small plastic
container that was empty. It said, on the cap, only "LLC." No idea
what that is. Couldn't find a picture in the manuals. Not sure whether
it being empty is relevant or not.
Anyway, i'm very stuck. I presume i'll have to get it towed to a shop
(they're telling me like $200 to go about 3 or 4 miles to another part
of NYC...rip off, or what?) and then get it serviced. Really not
looking forward to that. I'm pretty pissed i can't figure out what's
wrong. Looking through the books, it seems most jobs are doable by
someone who has the right tools and a little patience/intuition - so i
can only conclude the books aren't meant to replace having a mechanic
around or i'm really failing at using them. Maybe they're only for
maintenance and not for repairs?
The final thing is the bill. I can't figure out whether i should make
a claim on my insurance or not. If my insurance pays, i'll end up
having my rates raised. On the other hand, what the hell is it for?
Should i be using it as a one-time escape from a lawsuit, should
something go wrong? Because i really think if anything goes wrong, my
health insurance will pay for my hospital bill and the idiot in the
suv will be fine.
So this is all really weighing on me. I feel terribly pressured to get
back on the road, it's like the only thing that clears my head.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:15 pm
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On Feb 11, 5:37 pm, c <smalltalkingchic... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> The final thing is the bill. I can't figure out whether i should make
> a claim on my insurance or not. If my insurance pays, i'll end up
> having my rates raised. On the other hand, what the hell is it for?
> Should i be using it as a one-time escape from a lawsuit, should
> something go wrong? Because i really think if anything goes wrong, my
> health insurance will pay for my hospital bill and the idiot in the
> suv will be fine.
Collision insurance is not a one time escape from a lawsuit.
If you have it, it covers your vehicle rather than your
liability to others.
Sounds like you're stuck and aren't going to be able to fix
it yourself. Find out if you have collision insurance which
would cover the damage. Find out what your deductible is.
Get an estimate from a qualified shop. If the estimate is
significantly more than your deductible, you probably ought
to report it.
This kind of stuff is why it's worth having an agent that
you trust. If you have a reasonably good agent, explain
the situation and say that you're waiting to find out the
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:40 pm
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On Feb 11, 5:37�pm, c <smalltalkingchic... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn.
Are you saying that the ignition switch doesn't move when you try to
turn the key?
If so, wiggle the handlebars from side to side while working the key.
If that doesn't free up the switch, remove the two screws holding the
switch and remove the switch to see if it turns once it's loose.
> The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
> in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
> has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
> some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
> scary.
Nothing scary about that. The transmission will still shift gears
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:04 pm
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c wrote:
> It's been 3 weeks only, but it feels like months. Especially since we
> had like 2 or 3 days of high 50's (one day it was 67). Bike's in the
> exact same condition as it was when i found it with a note saying it
> was dropped.
>
> Went with my Haynes and my Clymer service manuals and tried to figure
> it out. It's still two issues. And, of course, there's the meta-issue
> of the insurance.
>
> The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn. Can't figure out why or
> what's broken or what i can do.
>
> The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
> in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
> has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
> some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
> scary.
>
> I noticed, when i had the left side engine cover off, a small plastic
> container that was empty. It said, on the cap, only "LLC." No idea
> what that is. Couldn't find a picture in the manuals. Not sure whether
> it being empty is relevant or not.
>
> Anyway, i'm very stuck. I presume i'll have to get it towed to a shop
> (they're telling me like $200 to go about 3 or 4 miles to another part
> of NYC...rip off, or what?) and then get it serviced. Really not
> looking forward to that. I'm pretty pissed i can't figure out what's
> wrong. Looking through the books, it seems most jobs are doable by
> someone who has the right tools and a little patience/intuition - so i
> can only conclude the books aren't meant to replace having a mechanic
> around or i'm really failing at using them. Maybe they're only for
> maintenance and not for repairs?
>
> The final thing is the bill. I can't figure out whether i should make
> a claim on my insurance or not. If my insurance pays, i'll end up
> having my rates raised. On the other hand, what the hell is it for?
> Should i be using it as a one-time escape from a lawsuit, should
> something go wrong? Because i really think if anything goes wrong, my
> health insurance will pay for my hospital bill and the idiot in the
> suv will be fine.
>
>
> So this is all really weighing on me. I feel terribly pressured to get
> back on the road, it's like the only thing that clears my head.
Let me start out by saying I am not unsympathetic to your
situation. However, do you think if you had a copy of
Grey's Anatomy (the textbook, not the TV series) that it
would qualify you to perform surgery?
Workshop manuals are not intended to provide *all* the
information a complete mechanical novice needs to work on
a bike. Mind you, the Haynes and Clymer manuals are about
the closest thing you'll find out there to exactly that-
a book that will help even the most inexperienced but
willing amateur perform all sorts of maintenance and
repair. However, you do have to have some experience of
working on things. It helps to start out on things of
low value like discarded lawnmower engines and cheap cars
when you're a teenager, working your way up to wrenching on
nicer/newer vehicles. It sounds like you don't have much
experience, and the only way to get it is to get your hands
dirty and get cracking.
Or you can pay a pro to do it.
I don't see too many people these days that assume they
can work on cars (other than oil changes and simple
maintenance tasks) without prior experience. Why would
you think you should be able to work on a bike
without any prior experience?
Again, I am not trying to discourage you from working on
your bike, in fact I am encouraging you. But you
have to accept that without someone beside you to show
you the way, you are going to have to move ahead slowly
and ask a lot of questions, or be prepared to accept the
consequences of the inevitable learner's mistakes.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:05 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:15:10 -0800 (PST), Rob Kleinschmidt
<Rkleinsch1216128 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>On Feb 11, 5:37 pm, c <smalltalkingchic... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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>> The final thing is the bill. I can't figure out whether i should make
>> a claim on my insurance or not. If my insurance pays, i'll end up
>> having my rates raised. On the other hand, what the hell is it for?
>> Should i be using it as a one-time escape from a lawsuit, should
>> something go wrong? Because i really think if anything goes wrong, my
>> health insurance will pay for my hospital bill and the idiot in the
>> suv will be fine.
>
>Collision insurance is not a one time escape from a lawsuit.
>If you have it, it covers your vehicle rather than your
>liability to others.
>
>Sounds like you're stuck and aren't going to be able to fix
>it yourself. Find out if you have collision insurance which
>would cover the damage. Find out what your deductible is.
>Get an estimate from a qualified shop. If the estimate is
>significantly more than your deductible, you probably ought
>to report it.
>
>This kind of stuff is why it's worth having an agent that
>you trust. If you have a reasonably good agent, explain
>the situation and say that you're waiting to find out the
>cost of repairs before deciding whether to file a claim.
Good advice. And talk to the agent some more. My insurance includes
free towing if my bike (or cage) is disabled.
Al Moore
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:33 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:37:40 -0800 (PST), c <smalltalkingchicken.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:
>The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn. Can't figure out why or
>what's broken or what i can do.
>
>The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
>in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
>has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
>some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
>scary.
OK, it's time for plan B. If you don't have a digital camera, go get one. You
don't need top of the line. 2 megapixel will do just fine. Take pictures of
the clutch lever from every possible angle. Ditto with the ignition switch.
Take pictures of anything that doesn't look right. Take pictures of anything
that you can't identify. Find any free picture hosting site and post the
pictures, then provide a link here.
We will look at your pictures and try to diagnose the problem(s). We will:
a. provide instructions on how to fix it.
b. ask for more pictures of specific parts from specific angles.
c. not be able to help.
d. all of the above.
e. none of the above.
f. some but not all the above.
But anything beats guessing. Take the pictures. Go to shutterfly.com or the
site of your choice and post the pictures. Let's get this thing running before
warm weather hits.
--
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:05 am
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On Feb 11, 9:04 pm, Mark Olson <ols... RemoveThis @tiny.invalid> wrote:
> c wrote:
> > It's been 3 weeks only, but it feels like months. Especially since we
> > had like 2 or 3 days of high 50's (one day it was 67). Bike's in the
> > exact same condition as it was when i found it with a note saying it
> > was dropped.
> Again, I am not trying to discourage you from working on
> your bike, in fact I am encouraging you. But you
> have to accept that without someone beside you to show
> you the way, you are going to have to move ahead slowly
> and ask a lot of questions, or be prepared to accept the
> consequences of the inevitable learner's mistakes.
>
> --
> '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
> OMF #7
I didn't think it'd be easy, but i definitely misunderstood the point
of the books. I really did assume i could diagnose the problems i have
with those books. What book do mechanics use? Or is the knowledge all
really groked and/or secret? I figured it was codified, and if it is,
it's not in those books.
I'm a little discouraged, but not by you.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:14 am
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On Feb 11, 8:37 pm, c <smalltalkingchic....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's been 3 weeks only, but it feels like months. Especially since we
> had like 2 or 3 days of high 50's (one day it was 67). Bike's in the
> exact same condition as it was when i found it with a note saying it
> was dropped.
>
> Went with my Haynes and my Clymer service manuals and tried to figure
> it out. It's still two issues. And, of course, there's the meta-issue
> of the insurance.
>
> The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn. Can't figure out why or
> what's broken or what i can do.
>
> The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
> in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
> has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
> some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
> scary.
>
> I noticed, when i had the left side engine cover off, a small plastic
> container that was empty. It said, on the cap, only "LLC." No idea
> what that is. Couldn't find a picture in the manuals. Not sure whether
> it being empty is relevant or not.
>
> Anyway, i'm very stuck. I presume i'll have to get it towed to a shop
> (they're telling me like $200 to go about 3 or 4 miles to another part
> of NYC...rip off, or what?) and then get it serviced. Really not
> looking forward to that. I'm pretty pissed i can't figure out what's
> wrong. Looking through the books, it seems most jobs are doable by
> someone who has the right tools and a little patience/intuition - so i
> can only conclude the books aren't meant to replace having a mechanic
> around or i'm really failing at using them. Maybe they're only for
> maintenance and not for repairs?
>
> The final thing is the bill. I can't figure out whether i should make
> a claim on my insurance or not. If my insurance pays, i'll end up
> having my rates raised. On the other hand, what the hell is it for?
> Should i be using it as a one-time escape from a lawsuit, should
> something go wrong? Because i really think if anything goes wrong, my
> health insurance will pay for my hospital bill and the idiot in the
> suv will be fine.
>
> So this is all really weighing on me. I feel terribly pressured to get
> back on the road, it's like the only thing that clears my head.
>
> -c
Sorry to hear that yuo are still suffering with that mishap. Hope it
all works out for you.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:15 am
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On Feb 11, 9:15 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 5:37 pm, c <smalltalkingchic....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Collision insurance is not a one time escape from a lawsuit.
> If you have it, it covers your vehicle rather than your
> liability to others.
>
I was being overly general about my insurance - i meant what's it good
for other than indemnification?
> Sounds like you're stuck and aren't going to be able to fix
> it yourself. Find out if you have collision insurance which
> would cover the damage. Find out what your deductible is.
> Get an estimate from a qualified shop. If the estimate is
> significantly more than your deductible, you probably ought
> to report it.
>
Spoke to a few shops - can't get an estimate over the phone. The
problem could be tiny or huge, apparently. Fair enough.
My deductible was 1/2 the value of the bike. I recently changed it to
only $100 because i'm going to be riding.
I know a guy who knows a guy who can, apparently, fix anything. Gonna
roll the bike by hand down a few blocks to his place and we'll see
what happens.
Bit of a side note - i live in manhattan. According to most nyc
webbys, there are only a few good cycle service shops, and the closest
one to me is in brooklyn. Does that sound right? Anyone have
experience in this cesspool finding an honest and competent
serviceperson? Other than word-of-mouth and the internet (which in a
few contexts is equivalent), i'm pretty lost.
> This kind of stuff is why it's worth having an agent that
> you trust. If you have a reasonably good agent, explain
> the situation and say that you're waiting to find out the
> cost of repairs before deciding whether to file a claim.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:17 am
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On Feb 11, 9:33 pm, Jack Hunt <jhun... DeleteThis @tds.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:37:40 -0800 (PST), c <smalltalkingchic... DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn. Can't figure out why or
> >what's broken or what i can do.
>
> >The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
> >in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
> >has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
> >some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
> >scary.
>
> OK, it's time for plan B. Take pictures of anything
> that you can't identify. Find any free picture hosting site and post the
> pictures, then provide a link here.
>
> We will look at your pictures and try to diagnose the problem(s). We will:
>
> a. provide instructions on how to fix it.
>
> b. ask for more pictures of specific parts from specific angles.
>
> c. not be able to help.
>
> d. all of the above.
>
> e. none of the above.
>
> f. some but not all the above.
>
> But anything beats guessing. Take the pictures. Go to shutterfly.com or the
> site of your choice and post the pictures. Let's get this thing running before
> warm weather hits.
>
> --
> Jack
It's been snowing. I'll take some pictures (as many as i can) and post
them. Maybe i'll just do it tonight if it lets up a bit.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:23 am
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On Feb 11, 10:40 pm, "." <Rhiann....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 5:37�pm, c <smalltalkingchic....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The ignition, plain and simple, won't turn.
>
> Are you saying that the ignition switch doesn't move when you try to
> turn the key?
>
Yes. It moves, when pushed in all the way, backward to "parking" and
to "steering lock" but in trying to move it forward, there's a great
resistance. It moves ever-so-slightly forward but i feel like i'm
going to snap the key if i force it.
> If so, wiggle the handlebars from side to side while working the key.
>
Tried that last time, forgot to report back. I tried it again today
after dreaming about it (i read this post last night). Still no luck.
Tried lots of jiggling. Also tried jiggling the bars when cocked to
the left (as though they were locked) - jiggling back toward straight.
> If that doesn't free up the switch, remove the two screws holding the
> switch and remove the switch to see if it turns once it's loose.
>
This i'll try tonight. Someone told me i could use a paperclip across
the leads on the clutch handle to short it and let it start. If the
oil and running lights come on, and the spedo comes to life (well, the
clock, the spedo/odometer i still haven't attempted to fix), i'll try
that to start it (while holding the brake in case i'm in gear).
> > The clutch, sadly, is perfectly fine. Took off the engine cover, got
> > in there, and saw the cable moves as it always has. Whatever's wrong
> > has to be in the transmission or the clutch mechanism itself or in
> > some other spot. I can change gears without the clutch lever. Kinda
> > scary.
>
> Nothing scary about that. The transmission will still shift gears
> whether the clutch can be disengaged or not.
So if you're riding along and forget to grab the clutch, and kick into
a new gear, you go into that gear? Does it grind out the gear or
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:32 am
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On Feb 12, 11:15 am, c <smalltalkingchic....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:15 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 5:37 pm, c <smalltalkingchic....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Collision insurance is not a one time escape from a lawsuit.
> > If you have it, it covers your vehicle rather than your
> > liability to others.
>
> I was being overly general about my insurance - i meant what's it good
> for other than indemnification?
>
> > Sounds like you're stuck and aren't going to be able to fix
> > it yourself. Find out if you have collision insurance which
> > would cover the damage. Find out what your deductible is.
> > Get an estimate from a qualified shop. If the estimate is
> > significantly more than your deductible, you probably ought
> > to report it.
>
> Spoke to a few shops - can't get an estimate over the phone. The
> problem could be tiny or huge, apparently. Fair enough.
>
> My deductible was 1/2 the value of the bike. I recently changed it to
> only $100 because i'm going to be riding.
>
> I know a guy who knows a guy who can, apparently, fix anything. Gonna
> roll the bike by hand down a few blocks to his place and we'll see
> what happens.
As Al Moore says, you may be covered for towing. Also,
if you think you might want to collect on insurance
be careful about letting him wade into the bike. It'd
be harder to make a claim after somebody dicked with it.
On the left coast, I might expect to pay $100 or so
for a tow or the cost of a nice dinner if I had a
friend with a truck.
>
> Bit of a side note - i live in manhattan. According to most nyc
> webbys, there are only a few good cycle service shops, and the closest
> one to me is in brooklyn. Does that sound right? Anyone have
> experience in this cesspool finding an honest and competent
> serviceperson? Other than word-of-mouth and the internet (which in a
> few contexts is equivalent), i'm pretty lost.
I lived in Manhattan a few years, owned a vehicle for a month
or two before we headed west and swore I would never own another
while living in N.Y. proper.
> > This kind of stuff is why it's worth having an agent that
> > you trust. If you have a reasonably good agent, explain
> > the situation and say that you're waiting to find out the
> > cost of repairs before deciding whether to file a claim.
>
> I have progressive. I talk to someone randomly. Guess that's that.
If you have multiple policies, (renters, auto, etc.) you
really ought to look for a good agent who can handle the
whole mess and wants your business. They act as kind of
a buffer between you and their company and help look out
for your interests.
Nobody says you have to stick with your present agent(s)
even if you stay with the same insurer. Find an agent you
like and move your business. Before you chase the last
dollar in price, look for a little bit more service.
Sounds like you may actually be covered. If it's something
non-trivial, I'd verify coverage, scout out a good shop
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:15 pm
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On Feb 12, 11:23�am, c <smalltalkingchic... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> So if you're riding along and forget to grab the clutch, and kick into
> a new gear, you go into that gear?
Yes. A motorcycle transmission can be shifted through all the gears,
without using the clutch at all. This is a *good thing*, actually.
> Does it grind out the gear or whatever?
No, it doesn't always "grind the gears". (1)
Each pair of gears is meshed *all the time* with the gear on the
opposite shaft, so it's impossible to actually grind the gear teeth.
Shifting is accomplished by sliding meshed gears *sideways*, and
engaging sturdy metal blocks called "dogs" into slots in the adjacent
gear on the same shaft.
> I can only assume that's really bad.
Quit "ass*-uming things about mechanical devices, it makes an ass out
of u and me.
As to the home repair manuals that you bought, they will not hold your
hand for you, guiding you through every step of a repair, you need
*some* mechanical experience and all experience is gained slowly and
often painfully.
(1) Some British motorcycles and older Husqvarnas had grindy gear
boxes that could only be shifted at idle speeds, so they had to be
shifted very deliberately to avoid grinding the gear dogs against each
other.
Japanese motorcycles can usually be shifted through all of the upper
gears, without using the clutch at all, and the shifting works well
even when you haven't exactly matched the RPMs of the engaging gears
because the slots the dogs drop into are fairly wide. >> Stay informed about: the broken bike and the man who sits on it and goes "vrroo.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:20 pm
Post subject: Re: the broken bike and the man who sits on it and goes "vrrooom!" [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 12, 11:23�am, c <smalltalkingchic... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> This i'll try tonight. Someone told me i could use a paperclip across
> the leads on the clutch handle to short it and let it start. If the
> oil and running lights come on, and the spedo comes to life (well, the
> clock, the spedo/odometer i still haven't attempted to fix), i'll try
> that to start it (while holding the brake in case i'm in gear).
The clutch interlock switch usually just disables the starter relay if
the clutch lever hasn't been pulled in.
If the headlight and instrument lights don't come on when you turn the
ignition key on, check for electrical power from the battery, the the
main fuse, to the ignition switch and through the kill switch.
If the turn signals and brake lights and instrument lights and warning
lights and such don't work when you turn the key on, you probably
won't be able to start the engine by shorting the clutch switch out
with a paper clip. >> Stay informed about: the broken bike and the man who sits on it and goes "vrroo.. |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:30 pm
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"." <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7b96ee71-82c4-4c6f-b000-bd0089022323@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> As to the home repair manuals that you bought, they
> will not hold your hand for you, guiding you through
> every step of a repair, you need *some* mechanical
> experience and all experience is gained slowly and
> often painfully.
I'm not sure where I first heard it, but:
"Experience is that thing you get just AFTER you
need it."
Bob M. >> Stay informed about: the broken bike and the man who sits on it and goes "vrroo.. |
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