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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:59 am
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A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn

b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty

c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,

d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200

also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person can
be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?

i can see the hondas and yamaha's are a smaller bike for ergos and such and
tiny people

im leaning gsxr. but havent test driven it yet.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:59 am
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"MX-Pilot" <no.RemoveThis@spam.thxs> wrote in message
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: A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
:
: b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
:
: c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
:
: d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
:
: also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person
can
: be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
: also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?
:
: i can see the hondas and yamaha's are a smaller bike for ergos and such
and
: tiny people
:
: im leaning gsxr. but havent test driven it yet.
:

How come there are no Kawasaki's in the mix?



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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:20 am
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MX-Pilot <no.DeleteThis@spam.thxs> wrote:
 > A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
 >
 > b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
 >
 > c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
 >
 > d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
 >

None of the above. Those prices suck.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:20 am
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Kurt wrote:

 > MX-Pilot <no RemoveThis @spam.thxs> wrote:
  >> A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
  >>
  >> b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
  >>
  >> c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
  >>
  >> d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
  >>
 >
 > None of the above. Those prices suck.

Kurt? cnd = canadian $s.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:12 am
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 > A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
 >
 > b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
 >
 > c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
 >
 > d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
 >
 > also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person
can
 > be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
 > also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?

Being able to ride a certain motorcycle is more about riding ability than
tallness or strength. A good rider should have no problem with the GSXR,
even if only 5 feet tall. It's all a matter of technique.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:20 am
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Mike" <s.notallowed.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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 >
 >
  > > A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
  > >
  > > b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
  > >
  > > c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
  > >
  > > d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
  > >
  > > also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person
 > can
  > > be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
  > > also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?
 >
 > Being able to ride a certain motorcycle is more about riding ability than
 > tallness or strength. A good rider should have no problem with the GSXR,
 > even if only 5 feet tall. It's all a matter of technique.
 >
 > Mike

I'm talking about ergo's and comfort, I just wanna know if those extrat
inches or reach for the handle bars is gonna end up straining my back or
such.

how about that gsxr price? usually it lists in canada for around 11,399 msrp
and around 10,500 regular dealer price, and this demo is for 8599. the
dealer thinks its a great deal, but what i wanna know is, its a demo for
what? anyone to ride? it was part of some susuki demo day? so perhaps some
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:20 am
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on 8/12/03 10:20 PM, herman wrote:

 > I'm talking about ergo's and comfort, I just wanna know if those extrat
 > inches or reach for the handle bars is gonna end up straining my back or
 > such.
 >
Only you can know for sure.

 > how about that gsxr price? usually it lists in canada for around 11,399 msrp
 > and around 10,500 regular dealer price, and this demo is for 8599. the
 > dealer thinks its a great deal, but what i wanna know is, its a demo for
 > what? anyone to ride? it was part of some susuki demo day? so perhaps some
 > idiots did the breaking in at full throttle?
 >
So what if they did? Factory warranty, right? If it breaks, they fix or
replace it. Do you think a dealer demo bike would be any more thrashed than
a normal used bike? Do you think most people would be more likely to ride
hard on a demo bike, or on their own bike?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:10 am
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I found a used kawi 600, but its kinda older technologies, also, I only
found one, and it wasn't lookin very good. and new is kinda expensive,
except that this dealer has this demo bike new gsxr.


"Andrew" <yogig.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "MX-Pilot" <no.DeleteThis@spam.thxs> wrote in message
 > news:rIi_a.132185$4UE.43370@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
 > : A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
 > :
 > : b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
 > :
 > : c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
 > :
 > : d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
 > :
 > : also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person
 > can
 > : be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
 > : also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?
 > :
 > : i can see the hondas and yamaha's are a smaller bike for ergos and such
 > and
 > : tiny people
 > :
 > : im leaning gsxr. but havent test driven it yet.
 > :
 >
 > How come there are no Kawasaki's in the mix?
 >
 >
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:17 am
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Bilbo <bilbo.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
 > Kurt wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> None of the above. Those prices suck.
 >
 > Kurt? cnd = canadian $s.
 >

Oops, I missed that.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:08 am
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 >From: Jamin Kortegard

 > Do you think most people would be more likely to ride
 >hard on a demo bike, or on their own bike?

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:08 am
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on 8/13/03 3:08 AM, Saddlebag wrote:

  >> From: Jamin Kortegard
 >
  >> Do you think most people would be more likely to ride
  >> hard on a demo bike, or on their own bike?
 >
 > YES. So perhaps that'll be one that was broken in PROPERLY.
 >
Riding hard = proper break-in, you mean? I agree. I did not coddle either of
my R1s while they were new. I just rode them exactly like I eventually
intended them to be ridden.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:12 pm
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Whats are the prices in "real" money? Smile

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:06 pm
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"Saddlebag" <saddlebag.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >From: Jamin Kortegard
 >
  > > Do you think most people would be more likely to ride
  > >hard on a demo bike, or on their own bike?
 >
 > YES. So perhaps that'll be one that was broken in PROPERLY.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:33 pm
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:59:19 GMT, "MX-Pilot" <no.DeleteThis@spam.thxs> wrote:

 >A) used 2002 cbr600f4i 10,000km, $8795$ cdn
 >
 >b)demo 2003 gsxr600 1,700km $8599$ cdn, and factory warrenty
 >
 >c) used 1999 cbr600f4, 10,000km $6199 cdn,
 >
 >d) used R6 2002 10,000km $8,200
 >
 >also, the gsxr is a physically bigger bike? whats the smallest a person can
 >be to ride that bike? 5'6? i'm around 5'8
 >also, what is the target riders height of that bike? 5'10?
 >
 >i can see the hondas and yamaha's are a smaller bike for ergos and such and
 >tiny people
 >
 >im leaning gsxr. but havent test driven it yet.
 >

The "smallest?" Some of the best riders of 125 and 250 two-strokes,
not to mention 600s, are shorter and lighter than average.

You don't mention experience, so let's hope this isn't your first jump
into motorcycles. Most motorcycles will not suffer the uninitiated.
The price for failure can be catastrophic. Modern 600s are just that
much less forgiving, due to the high performance potential.

Since you list various prices, money doesn't seem to be the primary
issue. Keep in mind newer bikes depreciate quickly. You'd probably
take less of a loss on the '99, percentage-wise, when it's time to
sell again. If you aren't a fiend for the latest tech, used bikes are
a good thing for most guys.

The "target" rider seems to vary from bike to bike. Some are setup
for big fat Westerners; others, lighter Asians. You'll have to figure
that out on a case-by-case basis. There isn't a magic bullet.

Regarding bikes: guess it depends what you want. 600s took a big leap
forward in 2003, though the Gixxer 600 remained largely unchanged from
2002. Some argue the Gixxer didn't "need" any upgrades, but that's a
marketing and racing issue. 600s change fast, not to mention lose
resale value equally quickly. I believe they are currently the most
competitive class, in terms of technology, and wonder if the gauntlet
hasn't passed from liter bikes to 750s to 600s..

I like fuel injection. I've owned four bikes with FI, starting with
my '90 851 (unusual technology back then). The other three are
currently in the garage. I like the way they deliver power and ease
of street-tuning (I'll take an EPROM or gameboy to a jet kit any day).
Some still prefer carbs for various reasons, and I'm not technical
enough to argue the point from a performance perspective in exhaustive
detail. It may, however, be safe to say fuel injection's easier for
the "average" rider to deal with.

Guys flog the crap out of Gixxer 600s at the track all day long, and
it just comes back for more. Roadracing World's Army of Darkness race
reports make me a littler nervous about quality, however. Honestly,
I'd research that as thoroughly as possible before buying. With a
warranty, though, the decision's a little easier. That's worth a lot
to some guys.

The R6 changed substantially from '02 to '03, losing eight pounds and
gaining additional engine and suspension tractability. I do not know
if the '02 has FI. Many say they're great all-around bikes.
Definitely take a ride and decide for yourself.

Honda is hard to fault. I've seen guys really haul ass (street and
track) on F4i's. Hondas are quite civilized and usually don't break,
in my modest experience. Perhaps this one is the most civilized
street bike of the bunch? Again, take a ride, understand where you'll
use the bike. Know thyself.

The '99 F4's a step behind in technology, but at reduced price. Guess
it comes down to bling-bling factor there. That extra $2,300 or so
CNDN for the other bikes will buy a LOT of gear and training.

Don't forget to check insurance rates. They may vary bike to bike,
depending on your experience. I know little of Canadian insurance.





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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:59 pm
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On 8/13/03 11:33 AM, "Daniel Bannon" wrote:

 > The R6 changed substantially from '02 to '03, losing eight pounds and
 > gaining additional engine and suspension tractability. I do not know
 > if the '02 has FI.

The 2001/2002 R6 did not have fuel injection. I believe both the R1 and R6
are on a 2-year update schedule, with the R6 trailing the R1 by 1 year with
regard to major updates. So the 2001/2002 R6 has about the same level of
technology as the 2000/2001 R1: DeltaBox II frame, non-LED tail lights,
carbureted engine.

The major overhaul of the R1 that occurred between 2001 and 2002 was applied
to the R6 between 2002 and 2003: DeltaBox III frame (with vacuum casting
technology), revised frame geometry based on R7 superbike, fuel injection,
updated styling including LED tail lights and "sharpened" body panels.
There's other stuff that was done, but those are the things that stand out
in memory.

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