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timeOday

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:26 pm
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I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.

I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with my
hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
the wheel.

But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.

Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?

<http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>

I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.

I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration at
the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

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David T. Ashley

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:01 am
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM RemoveThis @theknack.net> wrote in message
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>I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
> range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.
>
> I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with my
> hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
> the wheel.

I suspect that, given the photo, it is possible for the vibration to get
worse with brake application even without a bent rotor. I don't know the
physics of it (it is just intuitive), but when you brake you have the rotor
tugging against the brake pads and brake assembly. If the wheel is bent and
changing its acceleration while rotating or bouncing up and down, I think
that force or harmonic change in speed can be transmitted through the brake
shoes. In other words, I don't think a bent rotor is required for it to
seem to get worse when you apply the brakes.

> But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
> low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
> applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.

This could also be explained by the paragraph above. When the wheel rolls
if it changes speed harmonically, I think brake application may make it
worse.

> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>
>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.

I believe the wheel in the photo is structurally damaged. The reason I say
that is that some of the strength comes from the sidewall (same as from
channel iron or from an I-beam). The shape is changed enough that you
should replace it. The damage is structural (but barely).

> I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
> axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration at
> the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

I'm not qualified, and I have no opinion there. You should have those
inspected by a mechanic ...

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Mark Olson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:47 am
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timeOday wrote:
> I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
> range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.
>
> I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with my
> hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
> the wheel.

Given how much the wheel is bent this seems reasonable.

> But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
> low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
> applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.

I have had this happen on more than one bike due to variation
in the friction coefficient of the disk as it rotates. I was
sure the disk was either bent or wobbling but it was perfectly
straight. The fix was to spin the wheel while squeezing a
piece of coarse sandpaper on the disk.

> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>
>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.

I'd buy a used wheel on ebay rather than bend that wheel any
more. I've replaced wheels for smaller bends than that.

> I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
> axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration at
> the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

Not likely.

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Mark B

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:56 am
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On Feb 26, 5:26 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....DeleteThis@theknack.net> wrote:
> I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
> range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.
>
> I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with my
> hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
> the wheel.
>
> But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
> low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
> applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.
>
> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>
>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.
>
> I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
> axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration at
> the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

Take a look at these guys www.framestraightsystem.com. No experience,
just thought it looked like it might be worth checking in to.
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MikeWhy

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:46 am
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM DeleteThis @theknack.net> wrote in message
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> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>

Duh.

>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.

30 years ago, I dented a rim on a 4x4 at highway speed. The mechanic at the
service station took a few minutes out of his obviously busy afternoon to
help. He looked it over, picked up a mallet, and intoned before proceeding
to bash at it, that "Don't try this without air in the tire." And then
bashed it round again. The worst you could do is bend the bent rim. Me
personally, I would just replace it.
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David T. Johnson

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:06 am
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timeOday wrote:
> I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
> range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.
>
> I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with my
> hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
> the wheel.
>
> But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
> low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
> applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.
>
> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>
> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>

Yes. The only way to know for sure is to take the wheel off, remove the
tire, and check the runout. Probably it's out of spec, not just for the
obvious rim but for the hub/disk mount. The wheel looks like cast
aluminum so I would recycle the wheel and get a new/used one that's not
bent because the wheels can and do crack somewhere after they're hit
hard enough to be bent that much.

>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.
>
> I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
> axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration at
> the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

The wheel can probably be fixed but the cost to fix it to spec and xray
inspect it is probably more than the cost of just getting a new wheel.
Your fork tube might be bent but probably it isn't. I would take both
of them off and check them. I wouldn't worry about the axle or triple
clamp but you should inspect them when you take the wheel off.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:13 am
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM.DeleteThis@theknack.net> wrote in message
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>I am getting some vibrations while braking, especially in the 30-35 mph
> range. I think it's either a rotor or the front wheel.
>
> I notice the vibrations even if I simply decelerate from 40 mph with
> my
> hands off the handlebars (no front brakes), which makes me think it's
> the wheel.

Do you mean it acts like it's going to go into a tank slapper? I think
that's common in a lot of bikes and not due to the bent wheel. I've
felt that on enough bikes, even new ones, that I don't do that!

> But I also notice some inconsistency in the braking force even at very
> low speed (i.e. coasting down my driveway with the brakes lightly
> applied), which makes me think it's a rotor.

You can check their runout. A little warpage might feel inconsistent
when using light braking.

>
> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?

I doubt it.

> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>
>
> I know I should probably get it fixed, but I don't want to send it off
> to be un-bent if it's unlikely to have a noticeable improvement.

I wouldn't if it's holding air. I bent a front rim (cast aluminum like
yours) bad enough that it leaked air. I attempted to straighten it
myself without much luck. I looked at having it straightened or
replacing the wheel. I wound up replacing the wheel. If you go that
route, you'll want to get new bearings, seals and a valve stem. You can
reuse the internal spacer. It cost me about $400 to do the job myself.

> I'm also worried I might have a bent fork leg (or triple clamp, or
> axle). But a bent non-rotating part couldn't account for a vibration
> at
> the same frequency as the wheel rotation, could it?

I don't know.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:21 am
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David T. Johnson wrote:
> timeOday wrote:

>> Is this wheel bent badly enough to account for the vibration?
>>
>> <http://home.comcast.net/~nabbott12/bent_wheel.jpg>
>
> Yes. The only way to know for sure is to take the wheel off, remove the
> tire, and check the runout. Probably it's out of spec, not just for the
> obvious rim but for the hub/disk mount.

I didn't think about the damage could extend to the hub/disk mount.
Actually I hope it does, since that could account for the seeming rotor
weirdness.

Thanks to everybody who chimed in.
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