The back brake

Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:

> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a
> link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
> braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
> speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious to
> me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody
> had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to try it,
> and it really works!
>
> I was amazed, and felt slightly dim, that I hadn't thought of doing
> this before when I found I could easily do really slow feet-up
> U-turns in a narrow road nearby, and even almost-full-lock circles in
> the road were simple enough.
>
> That is all.

I think that was mentioned on my CBT, so I've known about it slightly
longer than I've had my licence.
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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found
> a link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
> braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
> speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious to
> me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody
> had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to try it,
> and it really works!
> I was amazed, and felt slightly dim, that I hadn't thought of
> doing this before when I found I could easily do really slow feet-up
> U-turns in a narrow road nearby, and even almost-full-lock circles in
> the road were simple enough.
>
> That is all.

How have you been riding slowly then?

Once you get the knack it's dead easy, I must say most yoi follow don't do
it though.


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Nige wrote:

> Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
> > After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found
> > a link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
> > braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
> > speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious
> > to me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but
> > nobody had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to
> > try it, and it really works!
> > I was amazed, and felt slightly dim, that I hadn't thought of
> > doing this before when I found I could easily do really slow feet-up
> > U-turns in a narrow road nearby, and even almost-full-lock circles
> > in the road were simple enough.
> >
> > That is all.
>
> How have you been riding slowly then?

What is this 'riding slowly' of which you speak?

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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:

> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a
> link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
> braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
> speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious to
> me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody
> had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to try it,
> and it really works!

It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all taught
as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:44:42 +0000, "Slower Than You" <no.way@jose>
wrote:

>Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
>
>> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a
>> link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
>> braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
>> speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious to
>> me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody
>> had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to try it,
>> and it really works!
>
>It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all taught
>as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.

"taught"? What is this "taught" of which you speak?
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Slower Than You wrote:
> Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
>
>> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a
>> link to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended
>> braking with just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow
>> speeds. After hearing this I felt that it should have been obvious to
>> me, and it may well be employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody
>> had ever mentioned this to me and I'd never even thought to try it,
>> and it really works!
>
> It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all taught
> as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.

I did my CBT and test in 1995 and I'm fairly sure I did just one "turn in
the road" during training and one in the test. Don't remember the instructor
saying much about braking at all apart from use the front more than the
back...

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:32:17 -0000, "Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot"
<eastREMOVEkent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a link
>to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended braking with
>just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow speeds. After hearing
>this I felt that it should have been obvious to me, and it may well be
>employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody had ever mentioned this to me
>and I'd never even thought to try it, and it really works!
>
> I was amazed, and felt slightly dim, that I hadn't thought of doing this
>before when I found I could easily do really slow feet-up U-turns in a
>narrow road nearby, and even almost-full-lock circles in the road were
>simple enough.
>
> That is all.

Deffo part of the CBT, the rear brake is your friend.

The IAM do a "Slow Riding Course" which lasts an afternoon which shows
one how to go really, really, really slow around a race track and the
rear brake is a big part of it. Correct amount of revs, correct use
of the clutch and correct application of the rear brake.

There's even a slow race at the end to see who can go around the
slowest. I lost as I went around the track the fastest, I'm still
confused about this being a good or bad thing. Other highlights were
a bloke stalling his new Pan Euro, dropping it and smashing the mirror
off and leaving some beautiful scratches in his new paintwork and
panniers.
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In article <1eadnaAhAuIWOiDanZ2dnUVZ8sOonZ2d.TakeThisOut@pipex.net>, Mungo "Two
Sheds" Toadfoot <eastREMOVEkent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> writes
> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found a link
>to another video on how to ride slowly; the chap recommended braking with
>just the back brake when maneuvering at slow/very slow speeds. After hearing
>this I felt that it should have been obvious to me, and it may well be
>employed by everyone here anyway, but nobody had ever mentioned this to me
>and I'd never even thought to try it, and it really works!
>
> I was amazed, and felt slightly dim, that I hadn't thought of doing this
>before when I found I could easily do really slow feet-up U-turns in a
>narrow road nearby, and even almost-full-lock circles in the road were
>simple enough.

I believe this is similar in effect to what racers refer to as "trailing
the back brake" as you go into the turn.


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wessie wrote:
>
> My CBT instructor tried to teach me to use plenty of revs and drag
> the rear brake or slip the clutch to control speed when doing U
> turns.

That's exactly what he said in the video. It seems to keep the bike more
upright and feel less like it'll drop too far during the turn.

> I never really mastered the technique until I owned a large
> thumper. I use it all the time on the R-GS, especially on very tight
> hairpin bends.

Just makes slow turns that much easier. Good stuff. I may well find an empty
bit of land tomorrow and play "How slow can you go" for an hour if it's not
raining. Or even if it is.

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BGN wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:32:17 -0000, "Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot"
> <eastREMOVEkent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After watching that Japanese police bike video last night I found
>> a link to another video on how to ride slowly
>
> Deffo part of the CBT, the rear brake is your friend.
>

I think perhaps my CBT was a little too B and not enough T.

> The IAM do a "Slow Riding Course" which lasts an afternoon which shows
> one how to go really, really, really slow around a race track and the
> rear brake is a big part of it. Correct amount of revs, correct use
> of the clutch and correct application of the rear brake.
>
> There's even a slow race at the end to see who can go around the
> slowest.

I remember you saying, actually.

> I lost as I went around the track the fastest, I'm still
> confused about this being a good or bad thing. Other highlights were
> a bloke stalling his new Pan Euro, dropping it and smashing the mirror
> off and leaving some beautiful scratches in his new paintwork and
> panniers.

Did he cry immediately or put on a brave face and cry later?

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"Champ" <news.RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote
> "Slower Than You" <no.way@jose> wrote:

>>It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all taught
>>as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.
>
> "taught"? What is this "taught" of which you speak?


Oh, you got your license in Greece too?

Geo
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:50:24 +0200, in
<fpkh99$mgv$1@volcano1.grnet.gr>, "Geo" <gRkEaMpOnVaEsCAPS.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Champ" <news.DeleteThis@champ.org.uk> wrote
>> "Slower Than You" <no.way@jose> wrote:
>
>>>It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all taught
>>>as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.
>>
>> "taught"? What is this "taught" of which you speak?
>
>
>Oh, you got your license in Greece too?

Heh. Some of us can remember when the UK was just as bad... or good,
depending on your perspective.

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Geo wrote:
> "Champ" <news.DeleteThis@champ.org.uk> wrote
>> "Slower Than You" <no.way@jose> wrote:
>
>>> It must be a long time since you passed your test - that is all
>>> taught as part of the CBT and DAS training now for U-turns.
>>
>> "taught"? What is this "taught" of which you speak?
>
>
> Oh, you got your license in Greece too?

7/6 from the Post Office.
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