average speed cameras in UK

"Damien" <al.qaeda DeleteThis @asio.gov.au> wrote:
> No they couldn't, actually, at least not with GPS. It's only accurate to
> within about 3 metres, but even if it was accurate to 1 metre, it is still
> useless for determining something like whether someone crossed double
> lines. For example, you could be driving down a dead straight section of
> road and maintaining a precise and constant position within your lane, and
> the GPS could still give a position that puts you halfway across the road
> or even suggest you were weaving all over the place. These issues are far
> too well documented for the government, or anyone else, to ever even
> consider mandating it as accurate - not even they are that stupid. To
> believe otherwise is to give far more credence to paranoia than a healthy
> person should be doing.
>
[guffaw] This is exactly what people said about the innacuracy of Qld
hand-held speed-guns [colloquially referred to as "random number
generators"].
No problem; the Qld Govt just declared them to be "accurate" and problem
solved!
Can't argue that in court!
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"Boxer" <someone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
> .... do you really think the police are interested in sitting in front of
> computers issuing speeding tickets all day, they really have a lot more to
> do.
>
No of course not; that'll just be done automatically or by data-processors
in Bangalore or Manilla.
Paying trained police to do it would be a very poor bang-for-bucks return!
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"Boxer" <someone.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
> ....I suppose taking it to the extreme the cops could monitor all cars and
> e-mail a speeding ticket to us whenever the GPS showed that the car had
> exceeded the speed limit. However the police in my area are stretched to a
> point of total inaction so I find it hard to believe that they would be
> interested in where I am going.
>
So you agree that all these cameras will make the job of knowing where
you're going (and automatically fining you) much easier [without them having
to spend real dollars on real police]?
That's good eh?
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On Jan 11, 12:15 pm, Damien <al.qa... DeleteThis @asio.gov.au> wrote:
> Knobdoodle wrote:
> > "Damien" <al.qa... DeleteThis @asio.gov.au> wrote:
> >> No they couldn't, actually, at least not with GPS. It's only accurate to
> >> within about 3 metres, but even if it was accurate to 1 metre, it is still
> >> useless for determining something like whether someone crossed double
> >> lines. For example, you could be driving down a dead straight section of
> >> road and maintaining a precise and constant position within your lane, and
> >> the GPS could still give a position that puts you halfway across the road
> >> or even suggest you were weaving all over the place. These issues are far
> >> too well documented for the government, or anyone else, to ever even
> >> consider mandating it as accurate - not even they are that stupid. To
> >> believe otherwise is to give far more credence to paranoia than a healthy
> >> person should be doing.
>
> > [guffaw] This is exactly what people said about the innacuracy of Qld
> > hand-held speed-guns [colloquially referred to as "random number
> > generators"].
> > No problem; the Qld Govt just declared them to be "accurate" and problem
> > solved!
> > Can't argue that in court!
>
> Does the US military have the ability to arbitrarily affect the accuracy
> of hand-held speed cameras by up to 150m?

Yeah actually they do but I doubt you'll see too many USAF fighter
planes cruising up the pacific highway ...

JL
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"Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Boxer" <someone.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> ....I suppose taking it to the extreme the cops could monitor all cars
>> and e-mail a speeding ticket to us whenever the GPS showed that the car
>> had exceeded the speed limit. However the police in my area are stretched
>> to a point of total inaction so I find it hard to believe that they would
>> be interested in where I am going.
>>
> So you agree that all these cameras will make the job of knowing where
> you're going (and automatically fining you) much easier [without them
> having to spend real dollars on real police]?
> That's good eh?
> --
> Clem
>

They may know where you have been Clem but they hardly know where you are
going. Seems like a real waste of money to spend real money on real police
to catch speeding mororists when a camera can do it more effectivly. Moral
of the story Clem, is don't speed past fixed speed cameras.

Boxer
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Knobdoodle wrote:
> "Damien" <al.qaeda RemoveThis @asio.gov.au> wrote:
>> No they couldn't, actually, at least not with GPS. It's only accurate to
>> within about 3 metres, but even if it was accurate to 1 metre, it is still
>> useless for determining something like whether someone crossed double
>> lines. For example, you could be driving down a dead straight section of
>> road and maintaining a precise and constant position within your lane, and
>> the GPS could still give a position that puts you halfway across the road
>> or even suggest you were weaving all over the place. These issues are far
>> too well documented for the government, or anyone else, to ever even
>> consider mandating it as accurate - not even they are that stupid. To
>> believe otherwise is to give far more credence to paranoia than a healthy
>> person should be doing.
>>
> [guffaw] This is exactly what people said about the innacuracy of Qld
> hand-held speed-guns [colloquially referred to as "random number
> generators"].
> No problem; the Qld Govt just declared them to be "accurate" and problem
> solved!
> Can't argue that in court!

Does the US military have the ability to arbitrarily affect the accuracy
of hand-held speed cameras by up to 150m?
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Knobdoodle wrote:

> [guffaw] This is exactly what people said about the innacuracy of Qld
> hand-held speed-guns [colloquially referred to as "random number
> generators"].
> No problem; the Qld Govt just declared them to be "accurate" and problem
> solved!
> Can't argue that in court!

"Scientific instruments" if I recall correctly...

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Mr_Hankey.TakeThisOut@qnr.com.au wrote:

> Please desist with the paranoia, or better still, seek help for your
> mental illness. Our Government knows best, and unless you are a hot
> shot lawyer or a member of some other elite class, get used to it.

Paranoia? Mental illness?

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"Boxer" <someone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Boxer" <someone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> ....I suppose taking it to the extreme the cops could monitor all cars
>>> and e-mail a speeding ticket to us whenever the GPS showed that the car
>>> had exceeded the speed limit. However the police in my area are
>>> stretched to a point of total inaction so I find it hard to believe that
>>> they would be interested in where I am going.
>>>
>> So you agree that all these cameras will make the job of knowing where
>> you're going (and automatically fining you) much easier [without them
>> having to spend real dollars on real police]?
>> That's good eh?
>
> They may know where you have been Clem but they hardly know where you are
> going. Seems like a real waste of money to spend real money on real police
> to catch speeding mororists when a camera can do it more effectivly. Moral
> of the story Clem, is don't speed past fixed speed cameras.
>
And having less police (and less money spent on police) is good in your
books is it John?
(Or did you purposely ignore that bit?)
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On Jan 11, 8:57 pm, Toosmoky <toosm... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Knobdoodle wrote:
> > [guffaw] This is exactly what people said about the innacuracy of Qld
> > hand-held speed-guns [colloquially referred to as "random number
> > generators"].
> > No problem; the Qld Govt just declared them to be "accurate" and problem
> > solved!
> > Can't argue that in court!
>
> "Scientific instruments" if I recall correctly...
>
> --
> Toosmoky
> Work to ride, Ride to Work...http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61

Because apparently "scientific instruments" don't have a margin of
error. At least, not in courtrooms. I guess it's kinda like the
starship bistromath. Like mathematics in restaurants, scientific
instruments function differently in courtrooms.


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"Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Boxer" <someone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Boxer" <someone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> ....I suppose taking it to the extreme the cops could monitor all cars
>>>> and e-mail a speeding ticket to us whenever the GPS showed that the car
>>>> had exceeded the speed limit. However the police in my area are
>>>> stretched to a point of total inaction so I find it hard to believe
>>>> that they would be interested in where I am going.
>>>>
>>> So you agree that all these cameras will make the job of knowing where
>>> you're going (and automatically fining you) much easier [without them
>>> having to spend real dollars on real police]?
>>> That's good eh?
>>
>> They may know where you have been Clem but they hardly know where you are
>> going. Seems like a real waste of money to spend real money on real
>> police to catch speeding mororists when a camera can do it more
>> effectivly. Moral of the story Clem, is don't speed past fixed speed
>> cameras.
>>
> And having less police (and less money spent on police) is good in your
> books is it John?
> (Or did you purposely ignore that bit?)
> --
> Clem

I missed the less police bit Clem, where did that come from?

Boxer
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