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Andrew McKenna

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:25 am
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Theo Bekkers wrote:
>
> Let me understand this correctly. The Feds gave up the 10-30% wholesale
> sales tax when they intro'd the GST, gave all the GST to the States, and
> wound up with a $16B surplus?
>
> Theo
>

Ummm. All sales taxes were state taxes. The states gained with GST even
though the rate was lower because it is a much broader tax. The states
get all the GST revenue. The $16B surplus came largely from a) company
tax receipts, and b) cutting expenditure.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:25 am
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"Theo Bekkers" <tbekkers.DeleteThis@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message
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> sstrik wrote:
>> On Jan 10, 10:38 am, Johno <varc....DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>> I am sure the Libs when in power didn't get the $16 billion surplus
>>> by re-cycling coke cans
>
>> do you think for one minute that the States would not have kicked up a
>> massive issue over it if they didn't get the GST collected?
>
> Let me understand this correctly. The Feds gave up the 10-30% wholesale
> sales tax when they intro'd the GST, gave all the GST to the States, and
> wound up with a $16B surplus?
>
> Theo
>

I think the boy has finally got it.

Boxer

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:25 am
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Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Michael Bednarek wrote:
>> Speaking of speed; here's a different view, not often expressed:
>> (the paragraph starting with "In 2002" might bring some unpleasant
>> memories back for some).
>>
>> <http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23024712-28737,00.html>
>>
>> Lost in the rush
>> Bill Tuckey | January 09, 2008
>>
>> IT took just five hours for the first road carnage newspaper headline
>> to appear at the start of the 2007 Christmas-New Year holiday period.
>> A man was killed when a stolen car crashed at an intersection during
>> a chase in Melbourne at 5am on December 20.
>>
>> And so it began: the parade of news presenters, police using words
>> such as slaughter and issuing pleas to slow down, and graphic images
>> of mangled wreckage, sobbing relatives and friends, and flowers laid
>> at crash sites.
>
>> Figures from the federal Australian Transport Safety Bureau show that
>> for several years state authorities have set the Christmas-New Year
>> holiday period at 13 days (in Victoria in 2007 it began at midnight on
>> December 20 and ended at midnight on January4). In 2006, the last full
>> year for which ATSB figures are available, 62 people died: drivers,
>> passengers, motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians. That represented
>> an average of 4.7deaths a day. The same figures show that for the
>> entire year, deaths averaged 4.38 a day and the most lethal weekly
>> period year-long is Friday to Sunday, when there is an average of 5.4
>> deaths a day. For the five days of Easter 2007, there were an average
>> of five deaths a day.
>
> Spot on, I've been saying that for years. In WA, the Xmas 'carnage' over the
> last five years has been below the daily average.
>
> We doubled most of the fines and increased demerit points last year (OK we
> were pretty much the lowest) and we had a 15% increase in deaths. The
> solution? Double the fines again. ??

Obviously the people who didn't die last year NEED to be taught a lesson
if they don't die this year.

Nev..
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:40 am
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"Dale Porter" <daleaporter.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> Cheers,
> Dale.
>

accept it


one day its going to happen but hopefully I have passed to the big bike
place in the sky before it does
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Knobdoodle

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:41 am
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"Dale Porter" <daleaporter.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
I'm quite sure they'll use this sort of technology to record (and fine)
speeders: I really really doubt they use it to PREVENT speeders though!
(Except for maybe a handful of highly publicised example cases!)
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:41 am
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"Nev.." <idiot DeleteThis @mindless.com> wrote:
> CrazyCam wrote:
>> Well, in the event of this stuff being implemented widely, how much
>> income would state governments forgo from speed cameras?
>
> Nothing. They would reap a percentage of each unit sold in tax etc,
> possibly even retailing them through government owned corporations such as
> the RTA and Vicroads, so for every dollar they lost in speed camera
> revenue they would gain in tax/markup/etc on the purchase cost of the unit
> from every road user, whether they sped or not.
>
Naah; it's all a big con so we say "speed limiting is dangerous" and then
they can drop the "limiting" but keep the SAFETY-BASED speed-MONITORING
(with automatic ticketing).
How could you argue with such a safety initiative?
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