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Dale Porter wrote:

> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html

I'd be interested to see how they implement this into all the different
types of ECUs (ALL of which are proprietary). Would involve some reverse
engineering at least - so probably won't be installable by an "authorised
installer" (idiots incorporated at the corner shop).

And more interestingly, how they implement this into carby type vehicles.

At least in a manner that can't be defeated with a measly screwdriver and 30
seconds on the side of the road when you pick the car up again...
The ECU-connected system might be more complex to defeat.
You need wirecutters for that.

The most laughable point: "A driver can put their foot flat to the floor if
they need extra power for merging or overtaking"
Sure, who needs a screwdriver. Or wirecutters...

Failing all that, a bit of tinfoil over the gps antenna will do the job nicely.

Also interesting how they will get over the "does not comply with
manufacturer's specs" bit after the modification. You can get exemptions, but
as I understand it, it's a real headache to do.
Much like the remarkably difficult time to get mains grid power to the speed
cameras. But it makes it remarkably easier when you're earning millions each
year in profits...
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Nev.. wrote:
> Dale Porter wrote:
>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> "It's believed a trial of the technology will soon be held in
> Victoria, with several ministers, Chief Commissioner of Police
> Christine Nixon, a former state coroner and 45 others likely to have
> devices fitted to their cars."
>
> Interesting, the Chief Commissioner of Police and several Government
> Ministers, the same people who claim that speed kills, are going to
> have to break the law intentionally, and speed, and not die, to prove
> that the road toll will be reduced if people don't speed.

Their spin is making my head spin. Go round that logic a few more times for
me.

Theo
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I wanna see them put one on my Landcruiser. It doesn't go fast, just goes
everywhere. It would be the most under-utilised piece of technology fitted.


"Dale Porter" <daleaporter DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fm102q$286s$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> Cheers,
> Dale.
>
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On Jan 9, 1:22 pm, "Madeyes" <madey....TakeThisOut@adam.com.au> wrote:
> I wanna see them put one on my Landcruiser. It doesn't go fast, just goes
> everywhere. It would be the most under-utilised piece of technology fitted.
>
> "Dale Porter" <daleapor....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fm102q$286s$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>
> >http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> > Cheers,
> > Dale.

Madeyes,

You have it all wrong.

They won't put it on, they will order YOU to put it on, at your
expense.

SteveB
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"Dale Porter" <daleaporter.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fm102q$286s$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> Cheers,
> Dale.
>

The reason for considering these high tech solutions, when our driving
skills and road rule knowledge is not checked when we renew our licences, is
not understood. The biggest single cause of crashes in the ACT is rear
enders (between 46 and 48% of all crashes according to the 2005 figures).
You will greatly increase the chance of having a rear end crash if you do
not look and see what is ahead of you or if you do not allow sufficient
space to stop between yourself and the vehicle ahead of you.

Education and enforcement are required. High tech solutions that can be
easily circumvented are proposed. It seems that science marches on.

John Dwyer
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John Dwyer wrote:
> "Dale Porter" <daleaporter.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fm102q$286s$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>>

> The reason for considering these high tech solutions, when our driving
> skills and road rule knowledge is not checked when we renew our
> licences, is not understood. The biggest single cause of crashes in
> the ACT is rear enders (between 46 and 48% of all crashes according
> to the 2005 figures). You will greatly increase the chance of having
> a rear end crash if you do not look and see what is ahead of you or
> if you do not allow sufficient space to stop between yourself and the
> vehicle ahead of you.

Technology can never overcome stupidity.

Theo
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Dale Porter wrote:
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> Cheers,
> Dale.
>
>

Well, in the event of this stuff being implemented widely, how much
income would state governments forgo from speed cameras?

regards,
CrazyCam
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Then there's comment #2 on the story :
> When a HOON is doing a "doughnut" or a "burnout", which has high danger
> potiential, how fast is the hoon traveling ? well the gps will see the
> hoon as almost stationary, here is an example of an Idiot, being
> dangerous, and in essence will be undetected.

I'm sure someone will prove something that we'll be spoonfed as 'good
for us' in some way shape or form.

Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Nev.. wrote:
>> Dale Porter wrote:
>>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>> "It's believed a trial of the technology will soon be held in
>> Victoria, with several ministers, Chief Commissioner of Police
>> Christine Nixon, a former state coroner and 45 others likely to have
>> devices fitted to their cars."
>>
>> Interesting, the Chief Commissioner of Police and several Government
>> Ministers, the same people who claim that speed kills, are going to
>> have to break the law intentionally, and speed, and not die, to prove
>> that the road toll will be reduced if people don't speed.
>
> Their spin is making my head spin. Go round that logic a few more times for
> me.
>
> Theo
>
>
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Theo Bekkers wrote:
> John Dwyer wrote:
>> "Dale Porter" <daleaporter.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fm102q$286s$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>>>
>
>> The reason for considering these high tech solutions, when our driving
>> skills and road rule knowledge is not checked when we renew our
>> licences, is not understood. The biggest single cause of crashes in
>> the ACT is rear enders (between 46 and 48% of all crashes according
>> to the 2005 figures). You will greatly increase the chance of having
>> a rear end crash if you do not look and see what is ahead of you or
>> if you do not allow sufficient space to stop between yourself and the
>> vehicle ahead of you.
>
> Technology can never overcome stupidity.

Encourage it, is more likely!

regards,
CrazyCam
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Evil, but pointed question there !

CrazyCam wrote:
> Dale Porter wrote:
>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dale.
>>
>
> Well, in the event of this stuff being implemented widely, how much
> income would state governments forgo from speed cameras?
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam
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Nev.. wrote:
> Dale Porter wrote:
>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>
> "It's believed a trial of the technology will soon be held in Victoria,
> with several ministers, Chief Commissioner of Police Christine Nixon, a
> former state coroner and 45 others likely to have devices fitted to
> their cars."
>
> Interesting, the Chief Commissioner of Police and several Government
> Ministers, the same people who claim that speed kills, are going to have
> to break the law intentionally, and speed, and not die, to prove that
> the road toll will be reduced if people don't speed.

But Nev, maybe they _will_ die.

regards,
CrazyCam
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Yeebers wrote:

>> income would state governments forgo from speed cameras?

> Evil, but pointed question there !

Nothing evil about it. How much money are they likely to make from this?

Nothing? It'll cost much and gain nothing? Thought so.

I think it's just vapourware. I doubt it's past the prototype stage.
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CrazyCam wrote:
> Dale Porter wrote:
>> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23025498-661,00.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dale.
>>
>
> Well, in the event of this stuff being implemented widely, how much
> income would state governments forgo from speed cameras?

Nothing. They would reap a percentage of each unit sold in tax etc,
possibly even retailing them through government owned corporations such
as the RTA and Vicroads, so for every dollar they lost in speed camera
revenue they would gain in tax/markup/etc on the purchase cost of the
unit from every road user, whether they sped or not.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
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