What's Wrong with the MRA (Victoria)

"Martin Taylor" <mtaylor RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote in message
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 > There's a fair bit of discussion going amongst the MRA (Victoria)
 > members at this present time. Various issues are being discussed.
 >
 > I'd like to conduct an informal survey amongst the Vics here and
 > separately the "non" Vics, if you don't mind.
 >
 > This survey has no official standing with the Association. I'm trying to
 > get some background on why the org has declined to where it is now, and
 > to perhaps get some ideas on lifting its game and then present it to the
 > membership for consideration.
 >
 > A lot of you guys have been around a while and have some definite views
 > on the org. So, perhaps from that, I can get an idea of what's wrong
 > with it and if it can be fixed.
 >
 > For Vics:
 >
 > 1. Are you a member?
 > 2. If not, why not?
 > 3. What would have to be done for you to consider joining or rejoining?
 >
 > For other states.
 >
 > 1. What is your perception of the Vic MRA, and why?
 >
 >
 > Thanks


MRA is fine except for the back stabbing, bitchiness, and Damien fucking
Codognotto.
Piss all memory of him off, become a decent lobby group, and bobs yer uncle.

And yes I was a member years ago, and I would consider rejoining.


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Martin Taylor wrote:
 > There's a fair bit of discussion going amongst the MRA (Victoria)
 > members at this present time. Various issues are being discussed.
 >
 > I'd like to conduct an informal survey amongst the Vics here and
 > separately the "non" Vics, if you don't mind.
 >
 > This survey has no official standing with the Association. I'm trying to
 > get some background on why the org has declined to where it is now, and
 > to perhaps get some ideas on lifting its game and then present it to the
 > membership for consideration.
 >
 > A lot of you guys have been around a while and have some definite views
 > on the org. So, perhaps from that, I can get an idea of what's wrong
 > with it and if it can be fixed.
 >
 > For Vics:
 >
 > 1. Are you a member?
 > 2. If not, why not?
 > 3. What would have to be done for you to consider joining or rejoining?
 >
 > For other states.
 >
 > 1. What is your perception of the Vic MRA, and why?

Non Vic:

MRAA (when did it rename to MRA Vic ?) seems to suffer from way too much
infighting and insufficient focus on building relationships with the
powers that be. Relationships don't mean sucking up, but they don't mean
opposing everything either, it means finding common ground and building
upon it.

All you seem to hear out of MRAA is the latest blue between office
holders - there's some awfully large egos battering each other and what
seems like a complete unwillingness to compromise, discuss and
negotiate. Powerplays don't get anyone anywhere. The focus on the office
bearers "winning" out, and in the mean time the state of play has gone
to hell with m/c's interests sidelined and ignored by the govt.

The thing I admire about Guy Stanford (MCC NSW) is his ability to get
people talking and then throw some facts at them and get them persuaded
to reconsider their position.

Hell even Scruby is more effective than MRAA has been lately, and he's
one loony and a fax machine with too much time on his hands

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Martin Taylor wrote:


 >
 > For Vics:
 >
 > 1. Are you a member?
No


 > 2. If not, why not?

Backstabbing and Damien



 > 3. What would have to be done for you to consider joining or rejoining?

changing the name to mrav
get rid of all the old guard and some of the current board who don't
have any political nous let alone any literal or comprehension skills.
become a more proffessional outfit
Get rid of Damien
Get rid of Damien
Get rid of Damien


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 > For other states.
 >
 > 1. What is your perception of the Vic MRA, and why?
 >
 >
 > Thanks
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Smee wrote:

 > become a more proffessional outfit
That'd be "professional", teacher.

Moike

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"Martin Taylor" <mtaylor.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote in message
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 > There's a fair bit of discussion going amongst the MRA (Victoria)
 > members at this present time. Various issues are being discussed.
 >
 > I'd like to conduct an informal survey amongst the Vics here and
 > separately the "non" Vics, if you don't mind.
 >

I'm both, and have been a member of MRAA, and am a member of MRA Tas

 > This survey has no official standing with the Association. I'm trying to
 > get some background on why the org has declined to where it is now, and
 > to perhaps get some ideas on lifting its game and then present it to the
 > membership for consideration.
 >
 > A lot of you guys have been around a while and have some definite views
 > on the org. So, perhaps from that, I can get an idea of what's wrong
 > with it and if it can be fixed.
 >
 > For Vics:
 >
 > 1. Are you a member?

Ex-member

 > 2. If not, why not?

I got fed-up with Damien Codognotto and his grandstanding & posturing.
Later, I moved.

 > 3. What would have to be done for you to consider joining or rejoining?
 >
 > For other states.
 >
 > 1. What is your perception of the Vic MRA, and why?
 >
Executive shit-fights between egotists. No-one listens to them, no-one
cares what they have to say, the only noise they make is when they're
slandering each other.
 >
 > Thanks
 >

They face the same problems as motorbike groups everywhere, when those
groups aren't sure why they exist. MRA Tas has its problems too. It is
trying to prevent heavy-handed bureaucratic interference and legislative
strangling of motorcycling. At the same time, there is a section of the
membership which would ignore that and concentrate on personal/factional
battles - just like everywhere else.

Ulysses, OTOH, exists as a social organisation but is increasingly asked
from all directions to speak for all riders. It has occasional internal
ructions - usually about money, because it has money - but because it
steadfastly maintains its recreational/social emphasis and keeps growing at
a phenominal rate it can handle the other, political/legislative side as
well.

What is MRAA's charter? Does it pursue the charter, or does it get
sidetracked?

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 > For Vics:
 >
 > 1. Are you a member?

No.

 > 2. If not, why not?

Well, I subscribed to the yahoo discussion group, and they seem to be
ham-strung by in-fighting and politics. Are they even financially solvent?

 > 3. What would have to be done for you to consider joining or rejoining?

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"conehead" <conehead RemoveThis @witsend.com> wrote in
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 > I got fed-up with Damien Codognotto and his grandstanding & posturing.

Without responding to Martin directly, I'll just mention that I'm ex-Vic
MRA too. People may be interested to hear that Damien was an opinionated
self-serving prick when I first met him, back in the mid-70s. Now he has an
OBE (or something similar) to prove it.

Gary (probably grey hair and a Beemer as well)

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Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice

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