Wildlife vs Dirtbikes study results

On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:56:24 GMT, "whenindoubt" <dontemailme.TakeThisOut@netzero.net>
wrote:

 >My theory is that animals like dirtbikes
 >because they know the riders are not out to harm them.

Before the one-man jeep wave finished adding the local trails to the f'ing
Interstate System, I rode 3-5 days/week for several years. During that
time, I discovered that deer were entirely unconcerned with me (I don't
mean they assumed a defensive "freeze" position... they sort of went "oh
it's just Mike" and went back to eating grass). I would ride back and
forth through sections often coming within 20' of them on trails several
times. In the fields, that would go up to maybe 100'. Up on "Manhood Peak"
on the mountain, some hawks lived right where the telegraph lines went
over the top. I stop every time I get there. Before the q-tards arrived,
the only things that EVER got there were bikes and horses. And it was
common that two of the ~ 6 hawks that you'd see up there would land a
short distance away and hop over to maybe 10' away. Gave one a little
part of my nutrigrain bar once and he ate it. Stopped doing it because I'm
not sure that's good for them. Anyway, animals have brains... they can
maybe spot what's a threat and what's not.

I've also heard the theory that deer associate 2-strokes with chain saws,
and that they like the sound of chain saws because the land is more
grazable after there's been a cut.

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Hey, where do I send my money to support this study??? I thought anything to
do with a study on the effects of motorcycles from wildlife... I mean, (uh
hum) the effects of wildlife from motorcycles took millions of dollars.?.?.?

Did you get a government grant for that study? <LOL>

I hear you loud and clear... We have 2.5 acres in the country (yes, it is a
small lot) and I built a track for my boys. To get the dirt needed for all the
jumps (6 sets of doubles, 25 to 45' and one nice stretch of whoops) I dug a
hole in the middle of our back yard. Since we have lived here (about nine
years) a family of hawks have moved into the trees and every spring and fall we
have ducks like you would not believe! The hole holds water (approx 40' in
diameter, 3 to 4' deep) but I wouldn't consider it a pond. When we have the
ducks they just swim and watch as the boys fly around the yard. It's pretty
cool to watch them, watch the boys ride. I wouldn't say they are terrified as
they don't leave and they come back every year.

Hey, maybe you should do a study to see if the exhaust from motorcycles (2
strokers, as we know that 4 strokers put off polution like cars, trucks, etc),
if the exhaust helps turn leaves a deaper green on trees? I have also noticed
that the trees in our area for some reason seem to hold their leaves longer and
stay green longer than others in our area. Good Luck.

TMax
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Just a defensive statement because I want Mike to like me. I'm sorry I own a
quad. It was given to me free by a friend. GP fixed it up and rode it around
his Mom's house for a year and then I took it and rode it around my backyard
for a year. I cross my heart and swear that I will NEVER, EVER ride the quad
on a piece of single-track. It will probably never leave my backyard again.
Please forgive me Mike, I know I screwed up. Will you be my friend?
whenindoubt


"Mike W." <outofthe.DeleteThis@emailbiz.com> wrote in message
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 > On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:56:24 GMT, "whenindoubt" <dontemailme.DeleteThis@netzero.net>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >My theory is that animals like dirtbikes
  > >because they know the riders are not out to harm them.
 >
 > Before the one-man jeep wave finished adding the local trails to the f'ing
 > Interstate System, I rode 3-5 days/week for several years. During that
 > time, I discovered that deer were entirely unconcerned with me (I don't
 > mean they assumed a defensive "freeze" position... they sort of went "oh
 > it's just Mike" and went back to eating grass). I would ride back and
 > forth through sections often coming within 20' of them on trails several
 > times. In the fields, that would go up to maybe 100'. Up on "Manhood Peak"
 > on the mountain, some hawks lived right where the telegraph lines went
 > over the top. I stop every time I get there. Before the q-tards arrived,
 > the only things that EVER got there were bikes and horses. And it was
 > common that two of the ~ 6 hawks that you'd see up there would land a
 > short distance away and hop over to maybe 10' away. Gave one a little
 > part of my nutrigrain bar once and he ate it. Stopped doing it because I'm
 > not sure that's good for them. Anyway, animals have brains... they can
 > maybe spot what's a threat and what's not.
 >
 > I've also heard the theory that deer associate 2-strokes with chain saws,
 > and that they like the sound of chain saws because the land is more
 > grazable after there's been a cut.
 >
 > Mike
 >
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:23:59 GMT, "whenindoubt" <dontemailme.TakeThisOut@netzero.net>
wrote:

 >Just a defensive statement because I want Mike to like me.

It's not all it's cracked up to be. Greg says you're a good guy, so that's
all I need anyway.

 >I'm sorry I own a
 >quad.

The *single* greatest incorrect take-away that occurs anytime my opinion
on quads comes up is this... it's taken that I have some
automatically-activated burning hatred of quad riders. Not the case. For
example, I like Guido... somewhere in between: I would piss on him if he
were on fire but not enough to give him a kidney. My opinion is centered
around the impact the existence of these conveyances of old Japanese women
down muddy roads into town has had on a favored sport:

- Destruction of our habitat (yes, WE were there first so I am permitted
to feel the fucked party here). Guys like you and Greg and Pete can go
like raped apes in the woods. You guys do fine in the wide open
log-cleared FAA-certifiable runways these goddam things have transformed
the tight stuff into. I have zero desire to hang it out in fifth gear. In
fact, fuck fifth gear. I want sane risk. I want the trail riding
experience I had that was 100% consistent back to the early 70's in this
town and just zapped the fuck away *overnight* when the one-man jeeps
(OMJ's) showed up. I *swear* to God that if I ever encounter another
person removing a log from the trail I'll kill their ass on the spot.

- The impact this peer group, and the damage they have done, has had on
the reputation of our sport. OMJ's and dirtbikes are the same thing to Joe
Public and he's the one that votes and drives policy. Any way you slice
it, OMJ's have had an off-the-scale detrimental impact on off-road riding.
Less sound/more ground would solve 90+% of our access problems if it was
just bikes. Quads make the sound issue moot. They destroy.

- Regarding the riders... I do a miserable job of concealing my perfect
incompatibility with stupid people/left-siders. I have gone to great pains
to clarify that I do not believe there is a causal relationship between
riding quads and being a left-sider. I have made the point, I think
definitively, that the industry had to "cross the chasm"/slob-enable the
their technology to grow market share... meaning they had to reach out to
the left siders. This would flood the ranks of OMJ enthusiasts with left
siders who were previously prevented from sustainable engagement with the
core of the woods by the risk/cost/requisite dedication inherent in two
wheel access. I made the point, and so I know what it really was... People
screw up the point, but screwing up is a hallmark of the slob-enabled
target market so I don't lose much sleep. I'm an unlikable insensitive
elitist bastard and so people shouldn't lose sleep that I don't like them.
We'll all be dead in a 100 years so let's work on something else.

for reference, the larger explanation resides at:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://users.crocker.com/~mwilliams/SETV.htm" target="_blank">http://users.crocker.com/~mwilliams/SETV.htm</a>

 >It was given to me free by a friend.

Greg is good people. Too bad Pete's a bastard:)

 >GP fixed it up and rode it around
 >his Mom's house for a year

I don't remember the road into town there being muddy... And Mrs. P is not
"old"... I had her down as maybe in her 30's? Odd that an OMJ should be
needed there...

 >and then I took it and rode it around my backyard
 >for a year.

If I had a larger bit of property that a tractor could not successfully
handle, I would own a quad. They seem to be great work vehicles and a
great last hurrah for when we all get older and still wish to be on
something out in the woods besides wheel chairs. Hmmm.... off-road
tractoring. Would anyone notice?

 >I cross my heart and swear that I will NEVER, EVER ride the quad
 >on a piece of single-track. It will probably never leave my backyard again.
 >Please forgive me Mike, I know I screwed up.

The gesture is appreciated but unnecessary. We lost. Game over.

 >Will you be my friend?

Already am, but I would encourage you to aspire to larger goals... like...
well... she's mine. Make up your own goals.

On another note, say you were drinking tomato juice out of a can. Say you
liked pepper in your tomato juice. Say you already were somehow aware that
if you drop the pepper in the hole that you can't shake it up without
making a huge mess and ruining your favorite t-shirt. Got any ideas?
Please reply quickly... it's about half gone.

Mike

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 > I've also heard the theory that deer associate 2-strokes with chain saws,
 > and that they like the sound of chain saws because the land is more
 > grazable after there's been a cut.

I had a baby deer once come up to my 2-stroke, apparently thinking the sound
resembled it's mother. It looked at me kinda puzzled for about 30 seconds,
then ran off. Geese hate 2-strokes, though. Thought I had something stuck
in my rear wheel because I kept getting hit in the back of the boot. Turned
around and there were 3 geese running after me, biting me. Second gear, hit
the juice, everybody was happy again...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 5 May 2004 12:00:45 -0700, spamTHISbrp.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (XR650L_Dave) wrote:

 >The damn turkeys, however, insist on waiting 'till I get close then
 >going apeshit, scaring the heck out of me. Maybe my bike is too quiet
 >to be eco-friendly?

There's a "black thing" that lurks around the pheasant farm here trying to
scare the shit out of me. I don't' know what it is. It's got a really
black boat. It's the height of a medium dog but longer, at least as seen
from the back. It runs by moving it's front legs together and it's back
legs together (vs a left right split... a trot). It waits until I'm 10'
away and then darts out on to the trail and runs from me. I let it pull
away and after a while, it turns *really* sharp to the right or left . I
don't know what this thing is but it looks strong. Not a bear (I think).

Observation - Portuguese music kicks ass... at least for the last 15 min!

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I'm not sure about the following;
I believe to accomplish your survey completely you need the information on
your
property before you started riding there and more than one property needs to
be studied that is similar to yours....however, i agree that you should
apply for
a federal grant to continue this study....and include atvs, tractors,
chainsaws,
logging trucks, bicycles, cars, catapillars, and power lines. if the grant
was big
enough; then you could quit your day job and ride your cycle to all the
"study"
sites to gather data....gee, wouldn't that be fun?
rich
"whenindoubt" <dontemailme.RemoveThis@netzero.net> wrote in message
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 > Ok, my research is complete and the un-official report on my wildlife
study
 > is complete.
 >
 > Setting, a suburban cul-de-sac neighborhood in CT. (I hate to admit that)
 >
 > I live on a couple acre lot that surrounds a small one acre pond. The
 > property around the pond is shared by 6 neighbors. My portion of land that
 > abuts the pond has about 1/2 mile of trails that I rip around on my
dirtbike
 > and quad. The other 5 propertys have nothing but raw land with no trails.
 >
 > So, why is it that on my property I have a hawks nest, a wild turkey nest
 > with 6 eggs in it and a huge momma turkey, thousands of chipmunks and
 > squirels and a fox den with a momma and three pups? Why is it that on the
 > other 5 propertys that abut mine there are no nests or dens of any kind?
 > Maybe they have some inherited fear of raw land, knowing from past
 > experience that hunters are trying to shoot them and enviro nuts are
trying
 > to tranquilize and tag them. My theory is that animals like dirtbikes
 > because they know the riders are not out to harm them. Score one for the
 > good guys I say.
 >
 > Save the animals! Go riding! Build them a safe haven protected from the
 > enviro-weenies!
 > whenindoubt
 >
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:56:24 GMT, "whenindoubt" <dontemailme DeleteThis @netzero.net> wrote:

 >Ok, my research is complete and the un-official report on my wildlife study
 >is complete.

There's a kind of monkey that it's brazilian native. We call them "sagui". They are smaller than
cats (more like the size of rats...), they are very intelligent and *very* curious animals. It's
rare to see them, because any noise and they run away, even if you wear forest slippers (TM) and to
make things worse, they are always over a tree, and the color of it's fur (brown, black and white)
makes it hard to see through the leaves and they never come down to land, except on rare
circumstances, mostly to drink water. But if you come riding a motorcycle, and then stop, no matter
how much noise you make, if you look closely, you may see several of them, together, looking at
you... If you keep looking at them, they jump from a branch to another and still keep looking at
you, if you stay there the rest of the day looking at them, they stay there, looking back at you...

--
Tiago Rocha
Recife - Brasil
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"Ed E." <EdEllks RemoveThis @NetZero.MyPants.net> wrote in message

 > I had a baby deer once come up to my 2-stroke, apparently thinking the
sound
 > resembled it's mother. It looked at me kinda puzzled for about 30
seconds,
 > then ran off.

Deer love 2-strokes, stupid bastards that they are. I had a mom and fawn
walk toward me on a trail (while blocking it) and they refused to move until
I launched toward them in a wheelie. I was riding my old CanAm, which has
to be one of the most obnoxiously loud machines in existance. They either
like the sound, or they just HAVE to find out what that noisy thing is with
the big white round head.

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"Mike W." <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com> sez:

<snip> I'm an unlikable insensitive
 > elitist bastard <snip>

Not that there is anything wrong (or illegal) with that. He kinda reminds
me of me ...

Good pontificatin' to ya,
VLJ
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:18:13 GMT, "vlj" <v DeleteThis @l.j> wrote:

 >"Mike W." <outofthe DeleteThis @emailbiz.com> sez:
 >
 ><snip> I'm an unlikable insensitive
  >> elitist bastard <snip>
 >
 >Not that there is anything wrong (or illegal) with that. He kinda reminds
 >me of me ...

You're faster and don't mind cliffs. Being as mechanical as you are, I was
counting on you or ckckckck to help me out with my pepper dilemma.

 >
 >Good pontificatin' to ya,

Excellent point here... I swore off ranting, but that should include all
long-form persuasive works. I'm back to one-liners like "free snow" or the
electric fan bit, even though they seemed to piss Asswipe off.

Free soap-box.

Mike


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In article <6g5i909ltb4jdue4645ikfu5vfh0jmp25j.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Mike W.
<outofthe.TakeThisOut@emailbiz.com> wrote:

 > I'm an unlikable insensitive
 > elitist bastard and so people shouldn't lose sleep that I don't like them.
 > We'll all be dead in a 100 years so let's work on something else.

Correction.

As far as I can tell, without ever meeting you in person, you're an
unlikeable SENSitive elitist bastard...

Carry on.

--
Charles
'99 YZF600R
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:39:56 GMT, harvey.TakeThisOut@mush.man (HardWorkingDog) wrote:

 >As far as I can tell, without ever meeting you in person, you're an
 >unlikeable SENSitive elitist bastard...

Thank you for noticing. I play the guitar and write poetry too. When I'm
not setting raggies on fire just for the rush.

M<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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