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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:07 am
Post subject: Warning to Non-NSWs - Don't go there if you have non OEM Exh
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I see that the NSW government, at the behest of its EPA has enacted new
regs that require specific labelling to be attached to the bike which
have the details of the exhaust system that's fitted to the bike. Stuff
like noise levels, rpm tested at, etc..
Currently, this isn't a requirement here in Victoria, and from what I
understand, it's not a requirement in other states. (If it is, then let
us know, please.).
This means then, if you're travelling to NSW, say to the Snowy charity
ride and the annual HRCA Snowy ride, then your aftermarket can may well
be illegal in NSW, even though it's not noisy, because it won't have a
label which meets NSW EPA's requirements.
So, interstate riders could well find themselves deep inside enemy
lines, with an illegal bike and unable to ride it back into friendly
territory. Could be a costly and a time wasting trip for some,
particularly if the cops and the EPA up there decide to "blitz" such
events.
I've heard lots of stories about the NSW EPA. Things like pinging riders
because they don't have an "unleaded fuel only" sticker on their tanks,
or even having tank bags that cover the label (and the fuel cap as
well), etc.. Sounds awfully like the horror stories the bike mags used
to trot out about the org when it was known as the State Pollution
Control Commission, a name that sounded like it wouldn't be out of place
in some then, eastern bloc countries.
Any of you NSW guys been pinged for this (or any other) EPA
infringement?
Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for such
labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling superfluous,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:07 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:07:08 +1000
Martin Taylor <mjpt57.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for such
> labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
> emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling superfluous,
> doesn't it?
this has been discussed a lot here, google is your friend, as is
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mccofnsw.org.au" target="_blank">www.mccofnsw.org.au</a>
Zebee
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:07 am
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Martin Taylor <mjpt57 DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<40e96e9d.1a9f4b04.bm000 DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>...
> I see that the NSW government, at the behest of its EPA has enacted new
> regs that require specific labelling to be attached to the bike which
> have the details of the exhaust system that's fitted to the bike. Stuff
> like noise levels, rpm tested at, etc..
>
> Currently, this isn't a requirement here in Victoria, and from what I
> understand, it's not a requirement in other states. (If it is, then let
> us know, please.).
>
> This means then, if you're travelling to NSW, say to the Snowy charity
> ride and the annual HRCA Snowy ride, then your aftermarket can may well
> be illegal in NSW, even though it's not noisy, because it won't have a
> label which meets NSW EPA's requirements.
>
> So, interstate riders could well find themselves deep inside enemy
> lines, with an illegal bike and unable to ride it back into friendly
> territory. Could be a costly and a time wasting trip for some,
> particularly if the cops and the EPA up there decide to "blitz" such
> events.
The second half of this post has been answered by Zebee (mcc website
has plenty of details on these whackos), to answer your first part,
yes it would seem that what you say is true going on the information
provided by Guy Stanford at the MCC meeting last night. I'm gathering
Martin you were at the MRA/VMC meeting with the AMC/ MCC of NSW ?
Apparently the NSW EPA have provided in writing notice to QLD and Vic
requests for clarification a statement that matches what you say
above.
If you're in QLD and you have an aftermarket exhaust, you could be
nabbed by the EPA while riding through to Phillip Island. The lack of
label is a defect notice that you get 28 days to remedy, and I don't
know how they could enforce it but yes, they apparently plan to do so.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:31 am
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> Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for such
> labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
> emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling superfluous,
> doesn't it?
No sticker is easy to check and ticket for. Too loud means getting out the
noise testing gear, setting it up, etc etc etc.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Warning to Non-NSWs - Don't go there if you have non OEM E.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:31 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:31:37 +1000
James Mayfield <jamesmayfield.RemoveThis@oztralia.com.nospamplease> wrote:
>> Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for such
>> labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
>> emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling superfluous,
>> doesn't it?
>
> No sticker is easy to check and ticket for. Too loud means getting out the
> noise testing gear, setting it up, etc etc etc.
Apparently, judging from Chris Coote's experience, and from at least one
other MCC affiliate club member's experience, an "experienced person"
can judge by ear and you can get a defect notice.
Which you then have to clear. Because the offence is not "96dB should
be 94" but "excessive noise". TO clear it, you have to get tested and
a bit of paper that proves your pipe is at or under the limit for its
year of manufacture.
That Chris got a defect notice despite having a) a legal sticker and b)
a legal bike will show you that some coppers are bastards.
Zebee
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:51 am
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I've never had a defect notice. Do you get a fine with it? Or is it just a
pain-in-the-arse type thing?
(I assume it is a time-to-repair defect, not a do-not-drive one.)
--
James Mayfield
"Insert witty comment here."
"Zebee Johnstone" <zebee RemoveThis @zip.com.au> wrote in message
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> In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:31:37 +1000
> James Mayfield <jamesmayfield RemoveThis @oztralia.com.nospamplease> wrote:
> >> Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for
such
> >> labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
> >> emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling
superfluous,
> >> doesn't it?
> >
> > No sticker is easy to check and ticket for. Too loud means getting out
the
> > noise testing gear, setting it up, etc etc etc.
>
>
> Apparently, judging from Chris Coote's experience, and from at least one
> other MCC affiliate club member's experience, an "experienced person"
> can judge by ear and you can get a defect notice.
>
> Which you then have to clear. Because the offence is not "96dB should
> be 94" but "excessive noise". TO clear it, you have to get tested and
> a bit of paper that proves your pipe is at or under the limit for its
> year of manufacture.
>
> That Chris got a defect notice despite having a) a legal sticker and b)
> a legal bike will show you that some coppers are bastards.
>
> Zebee
>
> --
> Zebee Johnstone (zebee@zip.com.au), proud holder of
> aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1.
> "Motorcycles are like peanuts... who can stop at just one?"<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Warning to Non-NSWs - Don't go there if you have non OEM E.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:51 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:51:42 +1000
James Mayfield <jamesmayfield RemoveThis @oztralia.com.nospamplease> wrote:
> I've never had a defect notice. Do you get a fine with it? Or is it just a
> pain-in-the-arse type thing?
>
> (I assume it is a time-to-repair defect, not a do-not-drive one.)
I don't know. I think there's a fine for excessive noise, plus you have
to get the defect cleared. No idea how much they are.
That particular defect can be cleared at any pinkslip place I'm told, as
long as you have the noise certificate, but Chris found it hard to find
anywhere willing to sign off, even though he had the certificate.
Zebee
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:17 am
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On 6/7/04 8:52 AM, in article slrncejml2.ggl.zebee.TakeThisOut@zeus.zipworld.com.au,
"Zebee Johnstone" <zebee.TakeThisOut@zip.com.au> decided to come out from under the bed
and slurred:
>
> That Chris got a defect notice despite having a) a legal sticker and b)
> a legal bike will show you that some coppers are bastards.
>
> Zebee
No, really?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:04 pm
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So where do we get one of these label things?
"Martin Taylor" <mjpt57 RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:40e96e9d.1a9f4b04.bm000@yahoo.com.au...
> I see that the NSW government, at the behest of its EPA has enacted new
> regs that require specific labelling to be attached to the bike which
> have the details of the exhaust system that's fitted to the bike. Stuff
> like noise levels, rpm tested at, etc..
>
> Currently, this isn't a requirement here in Victoria, and from what I
> understand, it's not a requirement in other states. (If it is, then let
> us know, please.).
>
> This means then, if you're travelling to NSW, say to the Snowy charity
> ride and the annual HRCA Snowy ride, then your aftermarket can may well
> be illegal in NSW, even though it's not noisy, because it won't have a
> label which meets NSW EPA's requirements.
>
> So, interstate riders could well find themselves deep inside enemy
> lines, with an illegal bike and unable to ride it back into friendly
> territory. Could be a costly and a time wasting trip for some,
> particularly if the cops and the EPA up there decide to "blitz" such
> events.
>
> I've heard lots of stories about the NSW EPA. Things like pinging riders
> because they don't have an "unleaded fuel only" sticker on their tanks,
> or even having tank bags that cover the label (and the fuel cap as
> well), etc.. Sounds awfully like the horror stories the bike mags used
> to trot out about the org when it was known as the State Pollution
> Control Commission, a name that sounded like it wouldn't be out of place
> in some then, eastern bloc countries.
>
> Any of you NSW guys been pinged for this (or any other) EPA
> infringement?
>
> Thing is, what I don't understand is why there is a requirement for such
> labelling. Surely all the muffler has to do is to comply with the noise
> emission test. And if it does, then it makes such labelling superfluous,
> doesn't it?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:04 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:18 pm
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Zebee Johnstone said....
> this has been discussed a lot here, google is your friend, as is
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mccofnsw.org.au</font" target="_blank">www.mccofnsw.org.au</font</a>>
The discussions that I recall recently on this issue were centred on the
"proposed" changes to the laws. I took it that as meaning that it wasn't
yet law or enforceable.
Today I'm reading the MCCNSW website's info on this, including the bits
where you can only attend a certain office on Wednesdays and between
certain times, in order to have your bike cleared.
Reminds me of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where Arthur Dent's
house is about to be flattened by the council, and he being told that if
he attended the council offices and asked for access to a prohibited
area down in the basement, he may have found the public notice
pertaining to the development order. If he could get past the doberman
dogs guarding it, that is...
Sounds like the EPA is a law unto itself. Not good, at all. Wonder how
it goes enforcing regs against big corporations for environmental
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:18 pm
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In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:18:20 +1000
Martin Taylor <mjpt57 RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Zebee Johnstone said....
>
>> this has been discussed a lot here, google is your friend, as is
<font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mccofnsw.org.au</font" target="_blank">www.mccofnsw.org.au</font</a>>
>
> The discussions that I recall recently on this issue were centred on the
> "proposed" changes to the laws. I took it that as meaning that it wasn't
> yet law or enforceable.
>
The laws have been in place for some time, over a year I believe. The
discussion about whether Vics were liable was sppeculation, but seems
they are.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:23 pm
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On 6/7/04 11:18 AM, in article 40e9fddf.67023be9.bm000.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au, "Martin
Taylor" <mjpt57.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> decided to come out from under the bed and
slurred:
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> Sounds like the EPA is a law unto itself. Not good, at all. Wonder how
> it goes enforcing regs against big corporations for environmental
> breaches.....
>
>
They have been beaten. And will be again. EPA is not invincible.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:52 pm
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:51:42 +1000
> James Mayfield <jamesmayfield.DeleteThis@oztralia.com.nospamplease> wrote:
>> I've never had a defect notice. Do you get a fine with it? Or is it just
>> a pain-in-the-arse type thing?
>>
>> (I assume it is a time-to-repair defect, not a do-not-drive one.)
>
>
> I don't know. I think there's a fine for excessive noise, plus you have
> to get the defect cleared. No idea how much they are.
Excessive noise or smoke: $216 + 3pts. (the $$ amount might be out by a
dollar or 2).
Undue noise whilst operating a vehicle on private premises: $220, 0pts.
Getting off without even a hint of retribution: priceless. (fuggorf Nev  )
James
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:11 pm
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