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Dean H.

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:20 pm
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Okay, so I finished parting together a Frankenvolvo for my daughter who
pretty much totalled the base car (1992 740 wagon) using parts from my
buddy's 1994 940 wagon which wouldn't pass emissions and was pronounced "not
worth fixing".

I got the whole thing done, I thought, then found that none of the three
brake lights are working. One tailight is from the original car and one is
from the donor car, but I doubt that's the problem. I checked the fuse and
that's OK. I checked the bulbs and they are okay. I did a visual on the
switch and its function looks OK. My old multimeter bit the dust so I bought
a new one today but haven't gone probing yet. All the other lights work fine
using the common ground that the brake lights use.

I think I can probably test the obvious stuff but maybe one of you knows
something that might be eluding me, especially something that crash damage
might cause. I'm stumped and get frustrated with electronics diagnosis, so
any hints will really help a lot.

Off to a big meeting tonight but I can answer the stuff I forgot to include
later on tonight.

BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...

I shoulda just called it totalled and left it at that. The things we do for
those we love...

TIA,
Dean
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:20 pm
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Dean,
Forget the multi meter. For about five bucks you can buy a test light.
It looks like an ice pick with a light bulb in the handle and a long
wire attached to the end with an alligator clip on the other end. This
magic tool allows you to easily check for current. The alligator clip
goes to any good ground and the sharp end is used to poke around for a
"hot spot". When you touch the sharp end of the tool to anything with
current it lights up inside the handle. Using this you can trace down
the current through the system. When the light fails to shine you know
you have a break in the system. Start with an electrical diagram. you
can work your way from the fuses to the tail light and diagnose it
along the way. The test light is particularly valuable when hooking up
trailer lights. Good luck. Kick Hillary in the ass for me. OF

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:20 pm
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Dean H.is working on cages:

> All the other lights work fine
> using the common ground that the brake lights use.

Vulva grounds are sorta like VW grounds. FUBAR.
Double/triple check 'em.

Oldfart's test light recommendation is a good one.


> BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...

Yikes. What's it take to be a certified 'old A/C repair shop'?
I'm guessing biggest expense is the recycle machine.


> Dean
> knucklehead

You bought a harley too?


Go fast. Take chances.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:54 pm
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:20:44 -0500, "Dean H." <moto.DeleteThis@groove.calm>
wrote:

>Okay, so I finished parting together a Frankenvolvo for my daughter who
>pretty much totalled the base car (1992 740 wagon) using parts from my
>buddy's 1994 940 wagon which wouldn't pass emissions and was pronounced "not
>worth fixing".
>
>I got the whole thing done, I thought, then found that none of the three
>brake lights are working. One tailight is from the original car and one is
>from the donor car, but I doubt that's the problem. I checked the fuse and
>that's OK. I checked the bulbs and they are okay. I did a visual on the
>switch and its function looks OK. My old multimeter bit the dust so I bought
>a new one today but haven't gone probing yet. All the other lights work fine
>using the common ground that the brake lights use.
>
>I think I can probably test the obvious stuff but maybe one of you knows
>something that might be eluding me, especially something that crash damage
>might cause. I'm stumped and get frustrated with electronics diagnosis, so
>any hints will really help a lot.
>
>Off to a big meeting tonight but I can answer the stuff I forgot to include
>later on tonight.
>
>BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...
>
>I shoulda just called it totalled and left it at that. The things we do for
>those we love...

In addition to the ohm meter, get a cheap, little 12V tester.
Great for troubleshooting. Should be about $6 or $8.00 at most
places.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:56 pm
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:52:26 -0800 (PST), oldfart
<alan.westcoast.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dean,
>Forget the multi meter. For about five bucks you can buy a test light.
>It looks like an ice pick with a light bulb in the handle and a long
>wire attached to the end with an alligator clip on the other end. This
>magic tool allows you to easily check for current. The alligator clip
>goes to any good ground and the sharp end is used to poke around for a
>"hot spot". When you touch the sharp end of the tool to anything with
>current it lights up inside the handle. Using this you can trace down
>the current through the system. When the light fails to shine you know
>you have a break in the system. Start with an electrical diagram. you
>can work your way from the fuses to the tail light and diagnose it
>along the way. The test light is particularly valuable when hooking up
>trailer lights. Good luck. Kick Hillary in the ass for me. OF


Hmmm. I wish I'd have thought of that...




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Tiago Rocha

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:29 am
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On Jan 9, 1:27 am, "Dean H." <m....DeleteThis@groove.calm> wrote:
> "oldfart" <alan.westcoast...
>
> > Dean,
> > Forget the multi meter. For about five bucks you can buy a test light.
> > It looks like an ice pick with a light bulb in the handle and a long
> > wire attached to the end with an alligator clip on the other end. This
> > magic tool allows you to easily check for current. The alligator clip
> > goes to any good ground and the sharp end is used to poke around for a
> > "hot spot". When you touch the sharp end of the tool to anything with
> > current it lights up inside the handle. Using this you can trace down
> > the current through the system. When the light fails to shine you know
> > you have a break in the system. Start with an electrical diagram. you
> > can work your way from the fuses to the tail light and diagnose it
> > along the way. The test light is particularly valuable when hooking up
> > trailer lights. Good luck. Kick Hillary in the ass for me. OF
>
> Test light. Got one somewhere... moved twice in the last six months so my
> stuff is fairly scattered...

Make one with a bulb, a piece of wire, a socket (from some broken tail
light?) and a spoke.

btdt

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:35 am
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On Jan 8, 9:42 pm, sturd <mikesturdevant....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dean H.is working on cages:
>
> > All the other lights work fine
> > using the common ground that the brake lights use.
>
> Vulva grounds are sorta like VW grounds. FUBAR.
> Double/triple check 'em.
>
> Oldfart's test light recommendation is a good one.
>
> > BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...
>
> Yikes. What's it take to be a certified 'old A/C repair shop'?
> I'm guessing biggest expense is the recycle machine.

I have a friend who is refrigerator technician...

The gas is reusable, costs close to nothing and only who has a permit
can buy it, only in small quantities...
The gas cost for them is close to US$25...

-- Tiago
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:31 am
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Make one with a bulb, a piece of wire, a socket (from some broken
tail
light?) and a spoke.

Get the car up to 88 MPH and we will see you sometime in the future.
OF
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:18 pm
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On Jan 8, 2:20 pm, "Dean H." <m....TakeThisOut@groove.calm> wrote:
>
> BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...
>
> I shoulda just called it totalled and left it at that. The things we do for
> those we love...
>
> TIA,
> Dean
> knucklehead

You could have spent about the same and had it converted to R134.

Dennis
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:50 pm
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bulb failure sensor.
Part number1362370

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"James Sweet" <jamessweet RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Dean H." <moto RemoveThis @groove.calm> wrote in message
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>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I finished parting together a Frankenvolvo for my daughter who
>> pretty much totalled the base car (1992 740 wagon) using parts from my
>> buddy's 1994 940 wagon which wouldn't pass emissions and was pronounced
>> "not
>> worth fixing".
>>
>> I got the whole thing done, I thought, then found that none of the three
>> brake lights are working. One tailight is from the original car and one
>> is
>> from the donor car, but I doubt that's the problem. I checked the fuse
>> and
>> that's OK. I checked the bulbs and they are okay. I did a visual on the
>> switch and its function looks OK. My old multimeter bit the dust so I
>> bought
>> a new one today but haven't gone probing yet. All the other lights work
>> fine
>> using the common ground that the brake lights use.
>>
>> I think I can probably test the obvious stuff but maybe one of you knows
>> something that might be eluding me, especially something that crash
>> damage
>> might cause. I'm stumped and get frustrated with electronics diagnosis,
>> so
>> any hints will really help a lot.
>>
>> Off to a big meeting tonight but I can answer the stuff I forgot to
>> include
>> later on tonight.
>>
>> BTW, $320 to recharge an old A/C system with 2lb 6oz of R12...
>>
>> I shoulda just called it totalled and left it at that. The things we do
>> for
>> those we love...
>>
>
>
> Check the bulb failure sensor.

This may be the culprit. I'm trying to find a brake light relay and this is
as close to that as I can find, looking for relay diagrams...

The switch checks out fine but runs counterintuitive. That is, the switch is
pushed in and on, supplying 12V when the brake pedal isn't touched. Pushing
on the brake pedal releases the switch and cuts the juice. So, a 12V signal
keeps the brake lights off. Remove the 12V signal and some gizmo should
switch on the lights.

But, I don't see anything relating brake lights to a single relay. But the
"bulb failure sensor" is right there on the realy panel (behind the fuses).
Maybe the relay shorted out and fried when the taillight got crushed and
filled with snow.

There's a headlight relay, but I doubt that's connected. Anyway, I can try
those two just by parts swapping off the donor car, I think.

>
> Baffles me why anyone uses R-12 anymore, you can convert the system to
> R-134 including all new seals and rubber hoses for a couple hundred bucks,
> then it's only around $30 to charge it. AC is not difficult to work on,
> you need a few specialized tools but even those are not expensive.

Well, including [parts that's not a ton cheaper unless you plan on multiple
recharges. It's a done deal. And the people considered that option, but had
seemingly good reasons to stick with the refrigerant of design. I knew
beforehand that there are very significant differences of efficiency between
the new and old stuff. The guy has been doing auto A/C for 50 years and will
just talk your ear off. He says the condenser isn't right for R-134 and a
hot day will really overwork the system and have pressures too high or some
such thing.

He did some value extra checking my work with flourescent dye in the oil,
and heated my dryer filter twide to reclaim the dessicant, and did his best
to get the oil quantity right in the system (not easy without a full flush
of the system which I didn't do.

>
> the 740/940 wagons are great cars, what better can you get for the money?

I have been very happy with the many Volvos I have owned over the years. And
I flog them hard too.
The old rear drive cars are a pleasure to work on.

Thanks for your response, BTW.

-Dean
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:23 pm
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>
> You could have spent about the same and had it converted to R134.

R-12 works much better, I've been told. OF
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:40 am
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On Jan 9, 6:23 pm, oldfart <alan.westco....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You could have spent about the same and had it converted to R134.
>
> R-12 works much better, I've been told. OF

I've had a couple of converted 70s cars. The AC worked better after
the conversion, but, before the conversion, the R12 had leaked out, so
the AC didn't work.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:53 am
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so if i were to list a 2/3 full 30lbs can of r12 on ebay would i be
arressted?

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>>
>> You could have spent about the same and had it converted to R134.
>
> R-12 works much better, I've been told. OF
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"john" <not.RemoveThis@this.add> wrote in message
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> so if i were to list a 2/3 full 30lbs can of r12 on ebay would i be
> arressted?

Lemme see... my car took 2 lbs 6 oz and I think the R12 was about $200 of
his price.
Dude. Street value around $1650?

There may be shipping concerns, but I don't think it's like shipping
plutonium.
I'm pretty sure you can't sell plutonium on ebay.


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> "oldfart" <alan.westcoast.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>> You could have spent about the same and had it converted to R134.
>>
>> R-12 works much better, I've been told. OF
>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:41 am
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"john" <not DeleteThis @this.add> wrote in message
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> so if i were to list a 2/3 full 30lbs can of r12 on ebay would i be
> arressted?

You need to be certified. There's an easy on-line examine (open book). I
got my certification several years ago just to be able to buy R12 at 1/4 the
price the pirates around here sell it for. At ISF 04 I put a couple cans in
DJones truck.

You can find it on Ebay. I sold 6 cans of leftover R12 last year. Since I
didn't have cars that used it anymore, I couldn't justify keeping it.

-Jeff-
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