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>>getting overtaken by 4wd's 9 times out of 10. (while doing 100-120)
> [snip]
>
> It's your own fault, then, innit?
>

My point being if any road user is speeding it will be the giant truck like
thing that takes twice as much road to pull up!
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are the trolls getting weaker round here..
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:23:17 -0000, AH <notsure@...> wrote in
aus.motorcycles:

[snip]
>While on the subject of 4wd drivers arrogance is it also only me that is
>getting overtaken by 4wd's 9 times out of 10. (while doing 100-120)
[snip]

It's your own fault, then, innit?

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"AH" <notsure.TakeThisOut@notsure.org> wrote in message
news:Xns98F85F830592EAjtossorfcomorgauars@203.16.214.243...
> Is it just me?
>
> 4wd pulls out in front of me, I honk (fairly long as horn is feeble and
> maybe confused with mouse being run over if not held on in a sustained
> sqeek), 4wd stops dead in tracks, I pull up beside and recieve loud verbal
> abuse for not letting him in?
>
> While on the subject of 4wd drivers arrogance is it also only me that is
> getting overtaken by 4wd's 9 times out of 10. (while doing 100-120)
>
> BTW does anyone know where to purchase those special boots with the large
> spike poking out through the toe area?
>
> AH.

Solution.... don't ride to work
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bob_the_rider wrote:
>> Solution.... don't ride to work
>
> My ride to work on Tuesday...
>
> Approaching a round about and see this stupid b!tch on the round about
> but no indication - she should be going straight. have that sixth
> sense feeling that she hasn't indicated - which she hadn't and rolls
> around in front of me - she had not a care in the world...
>

er... maybe you should check the road laws regarding how indicators are
used at roundabouts before you get upset about the odd one who does it
properly. You are supposed to indicate left to exit the roundabout.
This makes sense on really large roundabouts like they have in
Can'tberra, but looks absurd on some of the tiny suburban ones we have
in Melbourne.

The other two instances do, however, look like people who should not be
on the road.

Moike
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Moike wrote:
> bob_the_rider wrote:
>
>>> Solution.... don't ride to work
>>
>> My ride to work on Tuesday...
>>
>> Approaching a round about and see this stupid b!tch
>> on the round about but no indication - she should
>> be going straight. have that sixth sense feeling
>> that she hasn't indicated - which she hadn't and rolls
>> around in front of me - she had not a care in the world...
>
> er... maybe you should check the road laws regarding how
> indicators are used at roundabouts before you get upset
> about the odd one who does it properly.
> You are supposed to indicate left to exit the roundabout.

Ummm, you sure about that, Moike?

My understanding is that the indicate-left-to-leave rule was introduced
as an addition to, not a replacement for the rules which preceded it,
which were to indicate at a roundabout as you would around any other
intersection...

That said, the OP could well be having a semi-unnecessary whinge; the
act of swinging the wheel left to enter plenty of roundabouts is
pronounced enough to cancel a right indicator.

The rest of his problems could, no doubt, have been resolved by the
simple expedient of wearing a fluorescent vest.
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Moike wrote:
> bob_the_rider wrote:
>>> Solution.... don't ride to work
>>
>> My ride to work on Tuesday...
>>
>> Approaching a round about and see this stupid b!tch on the round about
>> but no indication - she should be going straight. have that sixth
>> sense feeling that she hasn't indicated - which she hadn't and rolls
>> around in front of me - she had not a care in the world...
>>
>
> er... maybe you should check the road laws regarding how indicators are
> used at roundabouts before you get upset about the odd one who does it
> properly. You are supposed to indicate left to exit the roundabout. This
> makes sense on really large roundabouts like they have in Can'tberra,
> but looks absurd on some of the tiny suburban ones we have in Melbourne.

No, Moike, you're not required to indicate left to exit a roundabout in
Victoria. You only need to indicate as you would for any other
intersection, left to turn left, right to turn right, none required to
travel straight. What a silly idea anyway, to complicate the
already-difficult-enough-for-many-people task of negotiating a
roundabout, by making them fiddle with the indicator while they're
trying to do 4 other things at a time.

> The other two instances do, however, look like people who should not be
> on the road.

Bob the rider sounds like every other noobie-road user who will find
many friends@netrider. His roundabout complaint is unwarranted because
when entering a roundabout you are required to give way to any other
vehicle already on the roundabout, so Bob is required to give way to the
other vehicle regardless of whether or not they have indicated.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
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IK wrote:
> Moike wrote:
>> bob_the_rider wrote:
>>
>>>> Solution.... don't ride to work
>>>
>>> My ride to work on Tuesday...
>>>
>>> Approaching a round about and see this stupid b!tch
> >> on the round about but no indication - she should
> >> be going straight. have that sixth sense feeling
> >> that she hasn't indicated - which she hadn't and rolls
>>> around in front of me - she had not a care in the world...
>>
>> er... maybe you should check the road laws regarding how
> > indicators are used at roundabouts before you get upset
> > about the odd one who does it properly.
> > You are supposed to indicate left to exit the roundabout.
>
> Ummm, you sure about that, Moike?
>
> My understanding is that the indicate-left-to-leave rule was introduced
> as an addition to, not a replacement for the rules which preceded it,
> which were to indicate at a roundabout as you would around any other
> intersection...
>
Sort of, Maybe.
The guidelines on the vicroads website are a bit vague
http://tinyurl.com/2mn3jv

The "indicate as you approach, and indicate left if practical to leave"
works better for the small intersection, but makes little sense for big
roundabouts.


> That said, the OP could well be having a semi-unnecessary whinge; the
> act of swinging the wheel left to enter plenty of roundabouts is
> pronounced enough to cancel a right indicator.

True, we don't know whether or not the other car signalled on approach
to the intersection, but self-cancelling indicators would prevent the
indication continuing through the roundabout. In any case, the give-way
rule clearly says you must give way to anyone already on the roundabout,
and guessing wrong about their intentions is probably no excuse.

I think this is a problem that really needs to be addressed.
There is far too much confusion at roundabouts. Turning little
intersections into roundabouts by planting a tree in the middle doesn't
necessarily make them safer.

>
> The rest of his problems could, no doubt, have been resolved by the
> simple expedient of wearing a fluorescent vest.

heh.

Moike
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"Nev.." <idiot RemoveThis @mindless.com> wrote:
> No, Moike, you're not required to indicate left to exit a roundabout in
> Victoria. You only need to indicate as you would for any other
> intersection, left to turn left, right to turn right, none required to
> travel straight. What a silly idea anyway, to complicate the
> already-difficult-enough-for-many-people task of negotiating a
> roundabout, by making them fiddle with the indicator while they're
> trying to do 4 other things at a time.
>
This is a contentious question in Qld.
I've never really checked it and most of the Qld Transport brochures ignore
it but I work on the
signal-where-you're-going theory as you approach and enter the roundabout
and
signal-left-as-you-pass-the-exit-prior-to-the-one-you're-using as you're
leaving the roundabout. (and yes; in a little suburban roundabout you'd be
lucky to get a flash in!)

Up here all the roundabout literature is simplistic and incomplete.
They have all this stuff about if you're exiting at 9 enter in the left
lane.
If you're exiting at 3 enter in the right lane and,
if you're exiting at 12 use either lane.

This totally ignores the fact that you can enter at 6 and plan to exit at 12
using the right lane and someone else can enter at 3 planning to exit at 9
using the left lane and you'll both legally crash into eachother at about
11:50!!
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On Mar 30, 5:32 pm, "Nev.." <i....TakeThisOut@mindless.com> wrote:
> Moike wrote:
> > bob_the_rider wrote:
> >>> Solution.... don't ride to work
>
> >> My ride to work on Tuesday...
>
> >> Approaching a round about and see this stupid b!tch on the round about
> >> but no indication - she should be going straight. have that sixth
> >> sense feeling that she hasn't indicated - which she hadn't and rolls
> >> around in front of me - she had not a care in the world...
>
> > er... maybe you should check the road laws regarding how indicators are
> > used at roundabouts before you get upset about the odd one who does it
> > properly. You are supposed to indicate left to exit the roundabout. This
> > makes sense on really large roundabouts like they have in Can'tberra,
> > but looks absurd on some of the tiny suburban ones we have in Melbourne.
>
> No, Moike, you're not required to indicate left to exit a roundabout in
> Victoria. You only need to indicate as you would for any other
> intersection, left to turn left, right to turn right, none required to
> travel straight. What a silly idea anyway, to complicate the
> already-difficult-enough-for-many-people task of negotiating a
> roundabout, by making them fiddle with the indicator while they're
> trying to do 4 other things at a time.
>
> > The other two instances do, however, look like people who should not be
> > on the road.
>
> Bob the rider sounds like every other noobie-road user who will find
> many friends@netrider. His roundabout complaint is unwarranted because
> when entering a roundabout you are required to give way to any other
> vehicle already on the roundabout, so Bob is required to give way to the
> other vehicle regardless of whether or not they have indicated.
>
> Nev..
> '04 CBR1100XX

Hmmm... not sure which country you are from, but here in aus/vic we
are required to indicate on a roundabout when turning right - it's not
optional.

Nev, you are the one who sounds like "every other noobie-road user"
who "thinks" they know all the rules without ever having read them.

Cause I'm a nice guy, I have attached a link to the road rules for you
to actually read before you post anything stupid again:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CA55689D-51AC-49ED-B3B4-34...2148421

Pay particular attention to page 46, where it says under making right
turns on roundabouts: "Signal a right turn on your approach".
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>
> So far, we have an impression that everyday traffic occurrences make
> postworthy material, an apparent inability to vet potential evidence
> before citing it to prove a point, and the use of haughtiness among
> people he doesn't know thing-one about as a debating technique...
>
> Picked that one quite well, Nev. Definite Netrider material...

I dont think that you understand the post at all.... let me explain it
to you; the original post was replied to by the comment "don't ride to
work". I agreed with this by providing an account of one of my rides
to work and how many idiots there are on the roads that it is not
worth the stress (or danger). I even said that the story was inane -
the *point* is that it is not riding to work eveyday is good advice
and postworthy material, imho. most of you missed that point and
instead flame me on roundabout rules...

As for that roundabout thing.... I give up trying to explain that one
- even providing a link to the rules where it states you must indicate
before turning right and you somehow take this to mean that it doest
include during your turn?!?
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bob_the_rider wrote:

> Hmmm... not sure which country you are from, but here in aus/vic we
> are required to indicate on a roundabout when turning right - it's not
> optional.

Please don't quote back to me what I have already written and then
pretend that I didn't know it.

Because I'm a nice guy, I have quoted the bit from my post for you to
actually read before you post anything stupid again:

> On Mar 30, 5:32 pm, "Nev.." <i....DeleteThis@mindless.com> wrote:
>>
>> You only need to indicate as you would for any other intersection,
>> left to turn left, right to turn right, none required to travel
>> straight.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
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Knobdoodle wrote:

> I've never really checked it and most of the Qld Transport brochures ignore
> it but I work on the
> signal-where-you're-going theory as you approach and enter the roundabout
> and
> signal-left-as-you-pass-the-exit-prior-to-the-one-you're-using as you're
> leaving the roundabout. (and yes; in a little suburban roundabout you'd be
> lucky to get a flash in!)

That's the way it is.

> This totally ignores the fact that you can enter at 6 and plan to exit at 12
> using the right lane and someone else can enter at 3 planning to exit at 9
> using the left lane and you'll both legally crash into eachother at about
> 11:50!!

Can't see that. Someone exiting at entering at 9 won't be there at
11.50. They'll have turned off at 9. Unless they're making a 540 degree
turn...

If you give way to traffic already on the roundabout you won't collide
with anyone else.

The only problem arises on multilane roundabouts when someone tries to
turn right from the left lane across the path of someone in the right
lane going straight through.

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Work to ride, Ride to Work...
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