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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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Well it's over and done with for 2007.
I enjoyed the London stage very much and the atmosphere was fantastic. I
was even cheering for Bradley Wiggins to win and it's not often I shout
in public!
I've been glued to the telly every night watching the racing but once we
started to get the positive drug tests and all the other controversy I
started to feel dispirited. It was like the late 90s all over again.
I'm still not sure where my feelings are for an event I've grown to love
over the years - I didn't go to Paris to see the end because it felt
like a shadow race by the end.
Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
wheels? What say the ukrm jury (well those who are interested enough to
have an opinion)?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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Paul Corfield <aooy65 DeleteThis @dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
news:03gsa3tuno1ta5pmjpvnjof3aoer33uraa@4ax.com:
> Well it's over and done with for 2007.
>
> I enjoyed the London stage very much and the atmosphere was fantastic. I
> was even cheering for Bradley Wiggins to win and it's not often I shout
> in public!
>
> I've been glued to the telly every night watching the racing but once we
> started to get the positive drug tests and all the other controversy I
> started to feel dispirited. It was like the late 90s all over again.
> I'm still not sure where my feelings are for an event I've grown to love
> over the years - I didn't go to Paris to see the end because it felt
> like a shadow race by the end.
>
> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
> wheels? What say the ukrm jury (well those who are interested enough to
> have an opinion)?
>
It's a load of lycra clad cock. Not my sort of thing but YMMV...
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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Paul Corfield wrote:
> Well it's over and done with for 2007.
>
> I enjoyed the London stage very much and the atmosphere was
> fantastic. I was even cheering for Bradley Wiggins to win and it's
> not often I shout in public!
>
> I've been glued to the telly every night watching the racing but once
> we started to get the positive drug tests and all the other
> controversy I started to feel dispirited. It was like the late 90s
> all over again. I'm still not sure where my feelings are for an event
> I've grown to love over the years - I didn't go to Paris to see the
> end because it felt like a shadow race by the end.
>
> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
> wheels? What say the ukrm jury (well those who are interested enough
> to have an opinion)?
When involved with the Tour of Britain race it was pretty obvious some of
the racers were built somewhat beyond "the norm".
I cannot actually see the problem. It's a small number of people and a small
number of big annual events. Test everyone just before the event and to
compete they need to produce their quarterly tests, done at own expense at
certified labs.
It is so straightforward that I think we can assume the sport does not want
to face the problem.
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'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 >> Stay informed about: Tour de France |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:31 pm
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In article <f8lg2s$r2g$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog
<hogSPAM DeleteThis @freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes
>Paul Corfield wrote:
>> Well it's over and done with for 2007.
>>
>> I enjoyed the London stage very much and the atmosphere was
>> fantastic. I was even cheering for Bradley Wiggins to win and it's
>> not often I shout in public!
>>
>> I've been glued to the telly every night watching the racing but once
>> we started to get the positive drug tests and all the other
>> controversy I started to feel dispirited. It was like the late 90s
>> all over again. I'm still not sure where my feelings are for an event
>> I've grown to love over the years - I didn't go to Paris to see the
>> end because it felt like a shadow race by the end.
>>
>> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
>> wheels? What say the ukrm jury (well those who are interested enough
>> to have an opinion)?
>
>When involved with the Tour of Britain race it was pretty obvious some of
>the racers were built somewhat beyond "the norm".
>
>I cannot actually see the problem. It's a small number of people and a small
>number of big annual events. Test everyone just before the event and to
>compete they need to produce their quarterly tests, done at own expense at
>certified labs.
They shouldn't be required to pay but then than that I agree.
>
>It is so straightforward that I think we can assume the sport does not want
>to face the problem.
The sport does want to face the problem though and is, which is why so
many get caught despite going to considerable lengths to avoid it. All
credit to the Td'F organisers for doing it and being so up front about
it.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:35 pm
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steve auvache wrote:
> The sport does want to face the problem though and is, which is why so
> many get caught despite going to considerable lengths to avoid it.
> All credit to the Td'F organisers for doing it and being so up front
> about it.
No they are dabbling at it, not of one voice and dodging pressure from the
Teams/riders who don't want it. Random testing is a sop.
If the governing body did as was suggested all conventional drug use on the
Pro circuit would stop immediately. The teams are Pro, they should bear the
cost.
It might lead to an arms race from the drug designers but haemoglobin
percentages should be monitored too.
It's not a cheap process but pro cycling is big money.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:35 pm
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:38:39 +0100, mb wrote
(in article <T6SdnRWiaf7S0TPbRVnyhgA DeleteThis @zeelandnet.nl>):
> I find this incomprehensible. I go cycling regularly, this evening I
> did 54kms at an average of just over 30km/h, it was hard work into the
> wind. On a couple of short bits, with the wind, I got up to 50km/h.
> Could I average 45km/h, even for that distance? Hell no.
That's what pelotons and team tactics are for ...
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:54 pm
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On Jul 31, 7:53 am, Paul Corfield <aoo....TakeThisOut@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Well it's over and done with for 2007.
>
> I enjoyed the London stage very much and the atmosphere was fantastic. I
> was even cheering for Bradley Wiggins to win and it's not often I shout
> in public!
>
> I've been glued to the telly every night watching the racing but once we
> started to get the positive drug tests and all the other controversy I
> started to feel dispirited. It was like the late 90s all over again.
> I'm still not sure where my feelings are for an event I've grown to love
> over the years - I didn't go to Paris to see the end because it felt
> like a shadow race by the end.
>
> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
> wheels? What say the ukrm jury (well those who are interested enough to
> have an opinion)?
>
it is a great sporting event.
my mind is boggled by the cheating and all its ramifications.
sport + money = product
the money really does change your chose sport completely.
One of my favorite sports is volleyball. I love it a lot because it
doesn't (in most countries) have a professional league. Hopefully this
keeps it clean?
My beloved All Blacks are just hookers [sic] for Adidas.
I imagine there is a lot of doping in various forms of motorcycle
racing too. I know its not the same as cycling in terms of fitness,
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm
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vulgarandmischevious wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:53:19 +0100 Paul Corfield wrote:
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>> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
>> wheels?
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> So what if it is a drug paradise? I honestly don't know why drugs are
> illegal in sport.
While agree on one level on another I see it would become a battle of
minimising physical damage and maybe living past 40.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm
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DR wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:07:47 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
> <grimly4REMOVE.RemoveThis@REMOVEgmail.com> is alleged to have written:
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>> Tier two would be a free-for-all where any competitor can take what
>> he likes, within reason - over-indulgence in speed and doing a Tommy
>> Simpson would be a no-go.
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> I disagree with that last point - let them do whatever they want, no
> holds barred. If they die on their own heads be it. Darwin will out.
I do not generally want to see people kill themselves trying to compete and
entertain, which might surprise you.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:49 pm
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vulgarandmischevious wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:29:16 +0100 Hog wrote:
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>> vulgarandmischevious wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:53:19 +0100 Paul Corfield wrote:
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>>>> Is it still a great sporting event or simply a drug paradise on 2
>>>> wheels?
>>>
>>> So what if it is a drug paradise? I honestly don't know why drugs
>>> are illegal in sport.
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>> While agree on one level on another I see it would become a battle of
>> minimising physical damage and maybe living past 40.
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> Fuck 'em. Let them make that choice. Don't see it's any different
> from boxing or motorcycling, if we're worried about poor diddums
> sportsmen doing damage to themselves and maybe dying.
<bites lip>
<repeats mantra>
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