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Mike Corey

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: Total loss ignition Archived from groups: rec>motorcycles>tech (more info?)

Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me? Thanks. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill: >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? Do you need to have a battery at all? A lot of single cylinder dirt bikes had what is called an energy transfer magneto. They didn't need a battery. The permanent magnet rotor induced a low voltage into the ignition coil behind the rotor, and there was a set of ignition points that opened and closed as the crankshaft turned. One wire went up to the primary winding of the ignition coil, and a wire went to the kill button. >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Mark Olson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mike Corey wrote: > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? > > Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me? Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal. The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary terminal. Can't get any simpler than that. -- '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark Olson wrote: > Mike Corey wrote: >> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and >> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? >> >> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me? > > Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal. > The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each > is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the > points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil > primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the > spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding > is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary > terminal. > > Can't get any simpler than that. Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch. Les >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Mark Olson

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Project Magnet #1 wrote: > Mark Olson wrote: >> Mike Corey wrote: >>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and >>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? >>> >>> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me? >> >> Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal. >> The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each >> is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the >> points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil >> primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the >> spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding >> is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary >> terminal. >> >> Can't get any simpler than that. > > Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch. Good idea. I was just trying to suggest the simplest possible practical circuit so the OP could get his head around it. I wonder if just saying "add a kill switch" would even help-- there's a significant fraction of the public who would happily put the KS across the points or between any two random nodes in the circuit for that matter. They don't call it electrickery for nothing. -- '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sep 25, 7:52?pm, AWR7MM....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: > Yes, I should have mentioned, the bike is a modified 1956 Harley > Davidson Model 165 that is raced in light weight Antique flattrack. > Anything and everything that's not needed has been removed. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/kevins_pages/1955_model165.gif >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Mike Corey

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com (B-]) wrote: >Do you need to have a battery at all? Yes, I should have mentioned, the bike is a modified 1956 Harley Davidson Model 165 that is raced in light weight Antique flattrack. Anything and everything that's not needed has been removed. Thanks for the replies everyone. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill: >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Project Magnet #1

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark Olson wrote: > Project Magnet #1 wrote: >> Mark Olson wrote: >>> Mike Corey wrote: >>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and >>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? >>>> >>>> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me? >>> >>> Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal. >>> The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each >>> is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the >>> points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil >>> primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the >>> spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding >>> is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary >>> terminal. >>> >>> Can't get any simpler than that. >> >> Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch. > > Good idea. > > I was just trying to suggest the simplest possible practical > circuit so the OP could get his head around it. I wonder if > just saying "add a kill switch" would even help-- there's a > significant fraction of the public who would happily put the > KS across the points or between any two random nodes in the > circuit for that matter. > > They don't call it electrickery for nothing. Across the points works fine if your not running a battery. With a battery, a way to kill the power would be best. Les >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mike Corey <AWR7MMSTW DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote: > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? > Heh. Just bought one. A little dirt bike with a Honda 125 lump in it. Wired directly. No battery. Just a killswitch. -- BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

B-] <RhiannonX.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: > > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? > > Do you need to have a battery at all? > He didn't say battery, did he? -- BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Mark Olson

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

The Older Gentleman wrote: > B-] <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: >>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and >>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? >> Do you need to have a battery at all? >> > > He didn't say battery, did he? He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as a "total loss" system. -- '01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark Olson <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.net> wrote: > The Older Gentleman wrote: > > B-] <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: > >>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > >>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? > >> Do you need to have a battery at all? > >> > > > > He didn't say battery, did he? > > He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers > to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being > charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as > a "total loss" system. Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel ignition, no battery. -- BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

Project Magnet #1

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

The Older Gentleman wrote: > Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.net> wrote: > >> The Older Gentleman wrote: >>> B-] <RhiannonX.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....RemoveThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: >>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and >>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? >>>> Do you need to have a battery at all? >>>> >>> He didn't say battery, did he? >> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers >> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being >> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as >> a "total loss" system. > > Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel > ignition, no battery. Never heard of total loss being used in that context myself. Always used to describe a battery ignition with no means to keep the battery charged. Les >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Project Magnet #1 <test_spamgourmet RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote: > The Older Gentleman wrote: > > Mark Olson <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.net> wrote: > > > >> The Older Gentleman wrote: > >>> B-] <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote: > >>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and > >>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle? > >>>> Do you need to have a battery at all? > >>>> > >>> He didn't say battery, did he? > >> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers > >> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being > >> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as > >> a "total loss" system. > > > > Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel > > ignition, no battery. > > Never heard of total loss being used in that context myself. Always used > to describe a battery ignition with no means to keep the battery charged. > Fairy nuff. -- BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition

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