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Since: Sep 02, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:04 pm
Post subject: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues?
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Hi,
I've been lurking on this forum long enough to know valve stem lights
(Google "tire fly") are the kind of thing that get you laughed off the
forum... so it's unfortunate that's going to be my first question.
First off, I want to say: when I first saw them on a modified car
(complete with fluorescent under-side lighting) I thought to myself
"You tosser!"
I then went out and bought a pair because I thought they'd give my
bike a bit of side-on presence (it still gets dark before I leave
work).
I really should've got white as it is the brightest type (inside your
eye, you see it with all red, green, blue cones, and your light/dark
rods light-sensitive cells) but my mistake I think was buying blue
because they didn't have any white in stock.
Are there any laws in Australia about having a blue light on your
vehicle? I have scoured the ARR web site, but I cannot find any
traffic law about coloured (or flashing) lights. It seems if you have
a white one on the front and a red one on the back you are OK.
I scoured the ARR and there isn't anything there, but I have managed
to find in NSW legislation Road Transport (Vehicle Registration)
Regulation 1998, Part 4 (Vehicle configuration and dimensions),
Division 19 (Other lights, reflectors, rear marking plates or
signals), Section 123 (Other lights and reflectors), 2b, item iv (a
vehicle must not display...a blue light).
Which isn't really helpful, because I live in Victoria.
So here's a straight question, can I get a strait answer please. Will
I get busted for using blue "tire fly"s and if so, what rule will I be
breaking?
Ta,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sep 3, 3:04 pm, VTR250 <goo... RemoveThis @m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> I then went out and bought a pair because I thought they'd give my
> bike a bit of side-on presence (it still gets dark before I leave
> work).
Think that through for a second... at what angle from the bike's
centreline does a little hoop of light inside your rims become
visible? For the driver of a car crossing your path to see the bike
sufficiently side-on to see the Tireflies, either both of you are
going to be so far from the point at which your paths will cross that
the extra visibility won't matter, or you'll be so close that it won't
help.
Like dayglo vests, bright-red fairings, translucent crash knobs lit
with integrated LED's and other high-visibility measures, these things
are a rabbit's foot because they perpetuate the idea that bikes are
hard to see. They're not to anyone who looks, and making you and the
bike stand out more can't make you any more preceptible to someone
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:19 am
Post subject: Re: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sep 3, 3:04 pm, VTR250 <goo....RemoveThis@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been lurking on this forum long enough to know valve stem lights
> (Google "tire fly") are the kind of thing that get you laughed off the
> forum... so it's unfortunate that's going to be my first question.
>
> First off, I want to say: when I first saw them on a modified car
> (complete with fluorescent under-side lighting) I thought to myself
> "You tosser!"
>
> I then went out and bought a pair because I thought they'd give my
> bike a bit of side-on presence (it still gets dark before I leave
> work).
>
> I really should've got white as it is the brightest type (inside your
> eye, you see it with all red, green, blue cones, and your light/dark
> rods light-sensitive cells) but my mistake I think was buying blue
> because they didn't have any white in stock.
>
> Are there any laws in Australia about having a blue light on your
> vehicle? I have scoured the ARR web site, but I cannot find any
> traffic law about coloured (or flashing) lights. It seems if you have
> a white one on the front and a red one on the back you are OK.
>
> I scoured the ARR and there isn't anything there, but I have managed
> to find in NSW legislation Road Transport (Vehicle Registration)
> Regulation 1998, Part 4 (Vehicle configuration and dimensions),
> Division 19 (Other lights, reflectors, rear marking plates or
> signals), Section 123 (Other lights and reflectors), 2b, item iv (a
> vehicle must not display...a blue light).
>
> Which isn't really helpful, because I live in Victoria.
>
> So here's a straight question, can I get a strait answer please.
> Will
> I get busted for using blue "tire fly"s and if so, what rule will I be
> breaking?
Whether you will get "busted" is less about the legality and more
about your behaviour I would suspect. Anyway, here's the appropriate
parts of the vic legislation at a quick scan
Table of contents
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsr1999309/index.html#xx144
Side markers
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsr1999309/s96.html
"Other" lights
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsr1999309/s118.html
(2) A vehicle may be fitted with any other light or reflector, except
(unless
subclause (3) applies)-
(a) a light that flashes; or
(b) a light or reflector that-
(i) shows a red light to the front; or
(ii) shows a white light to the rear; or
(iii) is shaped or located in a way that reduces the effectiveness
of a
light or reflector that is required to be fitted to the
vehicle under
the Vehicle Standards.
So, while I suggest you obtain your own legal advice it would seem to
me that no, they aren't legal. Particularly not in blue.
If you want to try on the argument, get a yellow set and claim they
are side markers under s.96 - good luck, I doubt you'll win, but have
fun.
JL >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:01 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:04:26 -0700
VTR250 <google.RemoveThis@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> So here's a straight question, can I get a strait answer please. Will
> I get busted for using blue "tire fly"s and if so, what rule will I be
> breaking?
Well... if they want you, they'll get you, so first job is don't
break the Public Stupidity laws.
If you don't make a cop decide you are being Knowingly Stupid in a
Public Place (lack of taste is usually excluded) then you go onto the
next bit which is "will your average driver who has trouble walking
and chewing gum at the same time mistake you for an emergency
vehicle?"
Of course as any ambo or firey will tell you, the Average Australian
Driver can't recognise an emergency vehicle if it's right up his clacker
howling like a banshee, and flashing like a bucks night but they can
see cop cars miles off.
So if the things are on the tyres I think you should be safe enough as
even the AAD won't think you are a copper (to be avoided) or an
emergency vehicle (to be ignored).
Zebee >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:01 am
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Yes, it is unfortunate .. spokey dokeys have come a long way haven't
they ? 
You're probably better off looking in the Vic laws but anyway.. Have you
seen any blue ones on the road ? If so it's presumably OK. Since the
lights are not rear/forward facing nor on top of the vehicle you might
be OK for that reason. They may be a grey area but something every
victorian cop has as a pet peeve .. could be discretionary.
If you can't find anything on it, perhaps there is nothing on it ? Tried
ringing the RTA (or whatever the Vic equivalent is?)
You'd think there'd be a pic of some in use on the ad tho ..
VTR250 wrote:
> I've been lurking on this forum long enough to know valve stem lights
> (Google "tire fly") are the kind of thing that get you laughed off the
> forum... so it's unfortunate that's going to be my first question. >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:50 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:07 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:45 am
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In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:27:47 -0700
intact.kneeslider.DeleteThis@start.com.au <intact.kneeslider.DeleteThis@start.com.au> wrote:
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> Like dayglo vests, bright-red fairings, translucent crash knobs lit
> with integrated LED's and other high-visibility measures, these things
> are a rabbit's foot because they perpetuate the idea that bikes are
> hard to see. They're not to anyone who looks, and making you and the
> bike stand out more can't make you any more preceptible to someone
> who's not looking in the first place.
Some of the studies referenced in the Vic enquiry into headlights on
showed that there was better gap acceptance and more recognition of
bikes when the bike had a light, solid-coloured fairing.
For some reason, white BMW type fairings were apparently the most
visible.
Zebee
- whose two most visible bikes (judging by motorist reaction) were
the Baby Beemer and the 'Orrible 'Onda Chop. Look cute or look
dangerous and they'll see you. >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:50 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:40 am
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"BT Humble" <bt_humble RemoveThis @bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> GB wrote:
>> ... My gut
>> feel is that amber, if anything, would be the least frowned upon.
>
> I'd agree with that, since the reflectors in pushbike wheels are
> amber.
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> BTH
and the daggy reflective discs that came attached to the front wheel of my
bike (and which I haven't been game to chuck!) are also amber.....
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:47 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:42 am
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"Yeebok" <here.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, it is unfortunate .. spokey dokeys have come a long way haven't they
> ?
>
> You're probably better off looking in the Vic laws but anyway.. Have you
> seen any blue ones on the road ? If so it's presumably OK. Since the
> lights are not rear/forward facing nor on top of the vehicle you might be
> OK for that reason. They may be a grey area but something every victorian
> cop has as a pet peeve .. could be discretionary.
>
> If you can't find anything on it, perhaps there is nothing on it ? Tried
> ringing the RTA (or whatever the Vic equivalent is?)
>
> You'd think there'd be a pic of some in use on the ad tho ..
>
> VTR250 wrote:
>> I've been lurking on this forum long enough to know valve stem lights
>> (Google "tire fly") are the kind of thing that get you laughed off the
>> forum... so it's unfortunate that's going to be my first question.
There was talk a while ago when the windsscreen washer lights came out that
the blue ones were illegal >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:20 pm
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On Sep 3, 8:07 pm, VTR250 <goo... RemoveThis @m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > So, while I suggest you obtain your own legal advice it would seem to
> > me that no, they aren't legal. Particularly not in blue.
>
> > JL
>
> JL, you have just made a four-year-old very happy with his new $10
> spokey-dokeys.
Exactly where they belong !!
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:55 pm
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On Sep 4, 8:47 am, Yeebok <h....TakeThisOut@there.com> wrote:
> You'd think any colour of a swinging light in front of the car'd be
> illegal..
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So I better stop that bloke running along in front of my car with the
red lantern........ oh, its ok you say, he is not "attached" to the
vehicle........ well we can soon solve that little
dilemma..............lmao.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:47 pm
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You'd think any colour of a swinging light in front of the car'd be
illegal..
George W. Frost wrote:
> "Yeebok" <here.DeleteThis@there.com> wrote in message
> news:46db98c6@news.comindico.com.au...
>> Yes, it is unfortunate .. spokey dokeys have come a long way haven't they
>> ?
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> There was talk a while ago when the windsscreen washer lights came out that
> the blue ones were illegal
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> >> Stay informed about: Tire Flys - are there any legal issues? |
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