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Since: Feb 24, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:46 pm
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Mike Corey wrote:
> I just read all the replies in this thread, and my head hurts. Why is
> that?
>
> One guy somehow switched the topic to removing the clutch assembly and
> changing gears in the transmission? How did that happen?
>
> To the original poster....
>
> You went from a 50T rear sprocket to a 45T. Three things will happen
> that you will notice right away. Your cruising RPM will be lower. Let's
> say that at 60 MPH your bike ran at 6000 RPM, with the first gearing.
> After the change, at 60 MPH your engine RPM will be 5500. These numbers
> may not even be close, but you get the idea, right?
>
> The second thing you will notice right away is slower acceleration.
>
> The third will be a higher top speed.
>
> I commute 35 miles one way to work on a Suzuki DR200. Not much of a
> street bike, not even much of a trail bike, but it's what I've got and
> I'm using it. It came with a 14T front and 45T rear. When I cruised down
> the road listening to the engine, a comfortable cruising speed was only
> 50 MPH. At 60 MPH the engine was working way too hard for my taste. So I
> installed a 39T rear sprocket. Now it cruises nicely at 60 MPH. And can
> even make 70 when needed. Top speed is actually unknown. The speedometer
> only goes up to 85, but it would not do that with the original gearing.
>
> So for street use, you did the right thing. For serious dirt and / or
> trail riding, you may have made a mistake. I still ride my DR200 on
> trails, I just use a lower gear in the transmission then I did before.
>
>
> "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
> worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill:
>
Well I had the same problem with my Yamaha TW200 and high revs at
highway speed. So now it's like another higher gear, yes less power but
more speed.
On the low end I will need a 55T sprocket because I always want a slower
gear than the original for slow moving in tight places off road.
In my opinion the bike needed one lower off road gear and one higher
gear for the highway. Since I use it mostly on the highway now I have
the smaller sprocket. The people who design these things should ask for
feedback for later model upgrades.
I understand that many years ago they had a 2 speed rear axle. This I
would love to have. It went out of fashion I guess because people were
too stupid to use it.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:02 pm
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On Feb 24, 9:46am, "Blattus Slafaly  "
<boobooililili... DeleteThis @roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In my opinion the bike needed one lower off road gear and one higher
> gear for the highway.
You expect too much out of what is basically a putt-putt dirtbike
intended for loose sand or deep dirt cover or mud.
> Since I use it mostly on the highway now I have the smaller sprocket.
You're using it for something it wasn't designed for.
> The people who design these things should ask for feedback for later model upgrades.
Who would they ask? You?
You don't know enough about motorcycles to even discuss them
intelligently, let alone advise motorcycle engineers about what they
need to do to upgrade a motorcycle that does what reasonable people
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:16 pm
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boobooililililil.DeleteThis@roadrunner.com wrote:
>I understand that many years ago they had a
> 2 speed rear axle. This I would love to have.
> It went out of fashion I guess because people
> were too stupid to use it.
I've never seen or heard of a two speed rear axle. But there may have
been such a thing. Maybe you're thinking of an "over lay sprocket" such
as the 1960's Harley Davidson Sprints had?
I believe the Kawasaki Big Horn had an eight speed tranny. Four gears in
low, for trail use, then you could stop, reach down and move a lever and
have four speeds in high for road use. If memory serves me, BSA made
something similar.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:43 pm
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Mike Corey wrote:
> boobooililililil RemoveThis @roadrunner.com wrote:
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>> I understand that many years ago they had a
>> 2 speed rear axle. This I would love to have.
>> It went out of fashion I guess because people
>> were too stupid to use it.
>
> I've never seen or heard of a two speed rear axle. But there may have
> been such a thing. Maybe you're thinking of an "over lay sprocket" such
> as the 1960's Harley Davidson Sprints had?
>
> I believe the Kawasaki Big Horn had an eight speed tranny. Four gears in
> low, for trail use, then you could stop, reach down and move a lever and
> have four speeds in high for road use. If memory serves me, BSA made
> something similar.
The Honda CB900C and CB1000C had a two-speed sub-transmission,
which could be shifted on the fly, which together with the
normal 5-speed box, gave 10 forward ratios.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:22 pm
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
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> Mike Corey wrote:
> > boobooililililil.DeleteThis@roadrunner.com wrote:
> >
> >> I understand that many years ago they had a
> >> 2 speed rear axle. This I would love to have.
> >> It went out of fashion I guess because people
> >> were too stupid to use it.
> >
> > I've never seen or heard of a two speed rear axle. But there may have
> > been such a thing. Maybe you're thinking of an "over lay sprocket" such
> > as the 1960's Harley Davidson Sprints had?
> >
> > I believe the Kawasaki Big Horn had an eight speed tranny. Four gears in
> > low, for trail use, then you could stop, reach down and move a lever and
> > have four speeds in high for road use. If memory serves me, BSA made
> > something similar.
>
> The Honda CB900C and CB1000C had a two-speed sub-transmission,
> which could be shifted on the fly, which together with the
> normal 5-speed box, gave 10 forward ratios.
>
> --
Personally I'd rather have a 6-speed like the RD400 had than the added
weight and complexity of tractor technology for street use. Might depend on
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:03 am
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Mark Olson <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> Mike Corey wrote:
> > boobooililililil.DeleteThis@roadrunner.com wrote:
> >
> >> I understand that many years ago they had a
> >> 2 speed rear axle. This I would love to have.
> >> It went out of fashion I guess because people
> >> were too stupid to use it.
> >
> > I've never seen or heard of a two speed rear axle. But there may have
> > been such a thing. Maybe you're thinking of an "over lay sprocket" such
> > as the 1960's Harley Davidson Sprints had?
> >
> > I believe the Kawasaki Big Horn had an eight speed tranny. Four gears in
> > low, for trail use, then you could stop, reach down and move a lever and
> > have four speeds in high for road use. If memory serves me, BSA made
> > something similar.
>
> The Honda CB900C and CB1000C had a two-speed sub-transmission,
> which could be shifted on the fly, which together with the
> normal 5-speed box, gave 10 forward ratios.
The Suzuki Trail Cat and a few other early trail bikes had a similar
hi/lo ratio system.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:03 am
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.. <RhiannonX.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't know enough about motorcycles to even discuss them
> intelligently, let alone advise motorcycle engineers about what they
> need to do to upgrade a motorcycle that does what reasonable people
> want it to do.
Irony overload.
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:04 am
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T Shadow wrote:
> "Mark Olson" <olsonm DeleteThis @tiny.invalid> wrote in message
>> The Honda CB900C and CB1000C had a two-speed sub-transmission,
>> which could be shifted on the fly, which together with the
>> normal 5-speed box, gave 10 forward ratios.
> Personally I'd rather have a 6-speed like the RD400 had than the added
> weight and complexity of tractor technology for street use. Might depend on
> what needs to be hauled though.
The subtransmission of the CB900C wasn't added because Honda thought the
bike desperately needed a high and a low range. It was there because
they were adapting the left hand side chain drive engine of the DOHC
CB750/900 to the right hand side shaft final drive of the GL1000/1100.
So there needed to be a bevel drive box to carry the power across the
bike, it was trivial to add another ratio and call it a feature.
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Since: Nov 28, 2007 Posts: 141
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:29 am
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On 24 Feb, 00:41, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> I just read all the replies in this thread, and my head hurts. Why is
> that?
>
> One guy somehow switched the topic to removing the clutch assembly and
> changing gears in the transmission? How did that happen?
>
> To the original poster....
>
> You went from a 50T rear sprocket to a 45T. Three things will happen
> that you will notice right away. Your cruising RPM will be lower. Let's
> say that at 60 MPH your bike ran at 6000 RPM, with the first gearing.
> After the change, at 60 MPH your engine RPM will be 5500. These numbers
> may not even be close, but you get the idea, right?
>
> The second thing you will notice right away is slower acceleration.
>
> The third will be a higher top speed.
>
Only if the engine has enough power to pull it. You can gear up a 125
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:30 am
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On 25 Feb, 11:04, Mark Olson <ols... RemoveThis @tiny.invalid> wrote:
> T Shadow wrote:
> > "Mark Olson" <ols... RemoveThis @tiny.invalid> wrote in message
> >> The Honda CB900C and CB1000C had a two-speed sub-transmission,
> >> which could be shifted on the fly, which together with the
> >> normal 5-speed box, gave 10 forward ratios.
> > Personally I'd rather have a 6-speed like the RD400 had than the added
> > weight and complexity of tractor technology for street use. Might depend on
> > what needs to be hauled though.
>
> The subtransmission of the CB900C wasn't added because Honda thought the
> bike desperately needed a high and a low range. It was there because
> they were adapting the left hand side chain drive engine of the DOHC
> CB750/900 to the right hand side shaft final drive of the GL1000/1100.
> So there needed to be a bevel drive box to carry the power across the
> bike, it was trivial to add another ratio and call it a feature.
>
I didn't actually know the CB900C was shaft drive! We never got it in
the UK. Sounds like we didn't miss much. >> Stay informed about: Sprocket |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:57 am
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TOG@Toil wrote:
> I didn't actually know the CB900C was shaft drive! We never got it in
> the UK. Sounds like we didn't miss much.
Despite the fact that my CB900C is the one bike I've owned that I have
no desire to ever own again, it wasn't a awful bike if you wanted an
inline four alternative to the Gold Wing. Of course anyone that
truly preferred a CB900C to a GL1100 after having tried both, was
demonstrably insane.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:06 pm
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AHA! The 150 MPH TW200OD is back! Fall off yet? Still have that noob
overconfidence? As I recall, you had some lamebrained ideas about your new
rice-harley a few months back, how did that work out? Is that what you've
made this change on?
On topic, one thing I haven't seen in the replies thus far - reduced
clutch life. If you are one of that large group of riders/drivers who go
through 2 or more clutches during the life of a vehicle, you've just
increased that tendency tenfold.
The Kawasaki G4TR (early '70's) and others had a hi/lo range. It's 100cc
would damn near climb vertical in lo!
"Blattus Slafaly ?  " <boobooililililil.DeleteThis@roadrunner.com> wrote in
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> Well I had the same problem with my Yamaha TW200 and high revs at
> highway speed. So now it's like another higher gear, yes less power but
> more speed.
> On the low end I will need a 55T sprocket because I always want a slower
> gear than the original for slow moving in tight places off road.
>
> In my opinion the bike needed one lower off road gear and one higher
> gear for the highway. Since I use it mostly on the highway now I have
> the smaller sprocket. The people who design these things should ask for
> feedback for later model upgrades.
>
> I understand that many years ago they had a 2 speed rear axle. This I
> would love to have. It went out of fashion I guess because people were
> too stupid to use it.
>
>
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:02 pm
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Hank wrote:
> AHA! The 150 MPH TW200OD is back! Fall off yet? Still have that noob
> overconfidence? As I recall, you had some lamebrained ideas about your new
> rice-harley a few months back, how did that work out? Is that what you've
> made this change on?
> On topic, one thing I haven't seen in the replies thus far - reduced
> clutch life. If you are one of that large group of riders/drivers who go
> through 2 or more clutches during the life of a vehicle, you've just
> increased that tendency tenfold.
> The Kawasaki G4TR (early '70's) and others had a hi/lo range. It's 100cc
> would damn near climb vertical in lo!
>
>
> "Blattus Slafaly ? " <boobooililililil DeleteThis @roadrunner.com> wrote in
> message news:47c1ad27$0$6474$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Well I had the same problem with my Yamaha TW200 and high revs at
>> highway speed. So now it's like another higher gear, yes less power but
>> more speed.
>> On the low end I will need a 55T sprocket because I always want a slower
>> gear than the original for slow moving in tight places off road.
>>
>> In my opinion the bike needed one lower off road gear and one higher
>> gear for the highway. Since I use it mostly on the highway now I have
>> the smaller sprocket. The people who design these things should ask for
>> feedback for later model upgrades.
>>
>> I understand that many years ago they had a 2 speed rear axle. This I
>> would love to have. It went out of fashion I guess because people were
>> too stupid to use it.
>>
>>
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>> Blattus Slafaly ? ? ?
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Ain't fallen off yet. Never replaced a clutch in anything and everything
is a standard including car and truck.
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