Servicing question

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:10:11 +1000
Tim Moran <tim.DeleteThis@evilbastard.org> wrote:
 > the only thing I'd need to buy would be a set of vaccum gauges to
 > balance the throttle bodies, I've got just about everything else.

You can borrow my carbtunes any time.

 >
 > The issue I've come to is doing the valves, they're not supposed to be
 > due for another 30,000km, but at least one is making some noise now, so
 > I figure they need a quick check. The question is, once I've checked
 > them all and figured out what shims need replaceing, and what size shim
 > I need, where do I get replacements from?

I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
swapped for those I did, which meant a certain amount of calculation
required to see what swaps could happen amongst the ones I had so I
exhanged the minimum number.

Not all dealers will do this of course. Ring first...

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"Tim Moran" <tim RemoveThis @evilbastard.org> wrote in message
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 > Now that the FJR is due for a service, I've done a bit of research and
 > decided I couldn't be stuffed paying someone else stupid amounts of
 > money to do it, so I've aqquired a copy of the service manual, and had a
 > good read and can't see anything there I'd have an issue doing. About
 > the only thing I'd need to buy would be a set of vaccum gauges to
 > balance the throttle bodies, I've got just about everything else.

ive got the guages here if you need ti use them

 >
 > The issue I've come to is doing the valves, they're not supposed to be
 > due for another 30,000km, but at least one is making some noise now, so
 > I figure they need a quick check. The question is, once I've checked
 > them all and figured out what shims need replaceing, and what size shim
 > I need, where do I get replacements from?

ok just in the processs of doing shims myself and have found out the hard
way of things not
to do and now have a method for future reference

get hold of a tackle box with all the compartments so that you can put shims
in correspoding holes

you need to measure all the clearances and make a chart of what the values
are

now you can work out which ones need to be changed

take out ones that need to be changed and put in coprresponding hole in box

measure all shims and then calculate new ones required and make another
chart of required sizes
and if lucky you can swap some around

go to dealer and order correect sizes

measure new ones and double check old ones and make sure you have the right
ones required

fit using a blob of grease on the end of a screwdriver ,urn over engine a
couple of times to seat shims
and measure them all again then find out you have made some stuff ups and go
to step one again

dependant on your delaer they may allow you to swap just depends on where
you go

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.precisionshims.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.precisionshims.com.au/</a> as suggested

personally just head to your dealer for them , they will very likely have to
order them


 >
 > Any advice that doesn't involve a kick in the nuts would be greatly
 > appreciated

dont worry about kick in the nutz
be ready to be very sore the day after you do all this shim work as lots of
crawling around the floor
and using muscles you didnt think existed

 >
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Zebee Johnstone <zebee RemoveThis @zip.com.au> wrote in
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 > I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
 > swapped for those I did

That's pretty good of the dealer. Don't shims wear?

Gary

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In aus.motorcycles on 22 Apr 2004 17:37:11 +1100
Gary Woodman <up.RemoveThis@your.nose> wrote:
 > Zebee Johnstone <zebee.RemoveThis@zip.com.au> wrote in
 > news:slrnc8er73.au3.zebee@zeus.zipworld.com.au:
 >
  >> I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
  >> swapped for those I did
 >
 > That's pretty good of the dealer. Don't shims wear?

No idea. My mechanic mate stores old shims when doing shim tappets,
and tests them with a micrometer to get the ones he wants. Even grinds
them if necessary.

even brand new ones get the micrometer before going in.

(Oh and the dealer was Seaside in Lismore. Top class lot, highly
recommended. good mechs, excellent customer service.)

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Gary Woodman wrote:
 > Zebee Johnstone <zebee DeleteThis @zip.com.au> wrote in
 > news:slrnc8er73.au3.zebee@zeus.zipworld.com.au:
 >
  >> I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
  >> swapped for those I did
 >
 > That's pretty good of the dealer. Don't shims wear?
 >
 > Gary

Hardly at all, the reason the clearances close up is valves settling in,
then valve seat recession or valves themselves wearing. Besides if they are
worn they can be turned over as well. Most shims are run on an exchange
basis. we have a shim kit for 8-valve K series BMWs in the club(same shim
as XJ Yams), We actually buy very few new ones in a year (the thicker ones
and thinner ones rarely get used and are still mostly new).

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"Gary Woodman" <up.DeleteThis@your.nose> wrote in message
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 > Zebee Johnstone <zebee.DeleteThis@zip.com.au> wrote in
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 >
  > > I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
  > > swapped for those I did
 >
 > That's pretty good of the dealer. Don't shims wear?

yes good dealer

no they dont wear

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 > Gary
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Yes, if treated poorly they can wear. And if ground "to size" badly they can also cause more damage than the savings are worth.

Certainly the nominal size can wear off.

In any event always remeasure ... never assume the stamped size is accurate.

The number should be placed on the non-cam side.


"Johnnie5" <ducatiau.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c67u2j$ofh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
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 > "Gary Woodman" <up.DeleteThis@your.nose> wrote in message
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  > > Zebee Johnstone <zebee.DeleteThis@zip.com.au> wrote in
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  > >
   > > > I got them from the dealer. Went in with the ones I didn't want,
   > > > swapped for those I did
  > >
  > > That's pretty good of the dealer. Don't shims wear?
 >
 > yes good dealer
 >
 > no they dont wear
 >
  > >

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"Johnnie5" <ducatiau RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > <snip>
 > dependant on your delaer they may allow you to swap just depends on where
 > you go
 > <snip>


I took my bike to a delaer--now I'm always late...


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"Pat Heslewood" <pstmnpat RemoveThis @tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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 > "Johnnie5" <ducatiau RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > <snip>
  > > dependant on your delaer they may allow you to swap just depends on
where
  > > you go
  > > <snip>
 >
 >
 > I took my bike to a delaer--now I'm always late...

were you ever on time ???

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In article <c67rhk$m98$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Johnnie5 wrote:
 >
 > ive got the guages here if you need ti use them
 >

I might take you up on that this time around, though I do want to get
one of my own eventualy

 > ok just in the processs of doing shims myself and have found out the hard
 > way of things not
 > to do and now have a method for future reference
 >
 > get hold of a tackle box with all the compartments so that you can put shims
 > in correspoding holes
 >
 > you need to measure all the clearances and make a chart of what the values
 > are
 >

There's a nice chart in the workshop manual for the fjr, feed in the
current shim size, the measured gap and it gives size of the new shims,
I know it wouldn't be hard to work it out, but I'm for anything that
saves me from having to think.

 > go to dealer and order correect sizes
 >

I'll try that, though I think I'd rather order them direct myself if
it's not in stock at the dealer, Cut out the middleman.

 > fit using a blob of grease on the end of a screwdriver ,urn over engine a
 > couple of times to seat shims
 > and measure them all again then find out you have made some stuff ups and go
 > to step one again
 >

Hoping I can get away with only doing that 2 or 3 times.

 > dont worry about kick in the nutz
 > be ready to be very sore the day after you do all this shim work as lots of
 > crawling around the floor
 > and using muscles you didnt think existed

And then there's the rest of the service to look forward to.

I will need to add a micrometer to my shopping list though, thats
something I haven't managed to aqquire yet, will also need to learn how
to use one.


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Well I;ve got a spreadsheet that includes:- any spare shims lying around, current fitted size, desired clearance and it spits out
a "shopping list" of what you are short of and what shims are spare to swap.

Only problem is I built it for a Triple.


"Tim Moran" <tim.TakeThisOut@evilbastard.org> wrote in message news:slrnc8f5bb.3i0.tim@cohen.hokinrazi.homeip.net...
 > In article <c67rhk$m98$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Johnnie5 wrote:
  > >
  > > ive got the guages here if you need ti use them
  > >
 >
 > I might take you up on that this time around, though I do want to get
 > one of my own eventualy
 >
  > > ok just in the processs of doing shims myself and have found out the hard
  > > way of things not
  > > to do and now have a method for future reference
  > >
  > > get hold of a tackle box with all the compartments so that you can put shims
  > > in correspoding holes
  > >
  > > you need to measure all the clearances and make a chart of what the values
  > > are
  > >
 >
 > There's a nice chart in the workshop manual for the fjr, feed in the
 > current shim size, the measured gap and it gives size of the new shims,
 > I know it wouldn't be hard to work it out, but I'm for anything that
 > saves me from having to think.
 >
  > > go to dealer and order correect sizes
  > >
 >
 > I'll try that, though I think I'd rather order them direct myself if
 > it's not in stock at the dealer, Cut out the middleman.
 >
  > > fit using a blob of grease on the end of a screwdriver ,urn over engine a
  > > couple of times to seat shims
  > > and measure them all again then find out you have made some stuff ups and go
  > > to step one again
  > >
 >
 > Hoping I can get away with only doing that 2 or 3 times.
 >
  > > dont worry about kick in the nutz
  > > be ready to be very sore the day after you do all this shim work as lots of
  > > crawling around the floor
  > > and using muscles you didnt think existed
 >
 > And then there's the rest of the service to look forward to.
 >
 > I will need to add a micrometer to my shopping list though, thats
 > something I haven't managed to aqquire yet, will also need to learn how
 > to use one.
 >
 >
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In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:50:36 +1000
Tim Moran <tim DeleteThis @evilbastard.org> wrote:
 >
 > I will need to add a micrometer to my shopping list though, thats
 > something I haven't managed to aqquire yet, will also need to learn how
 > to use one.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.transquip.com.au" target="_blank">www.transquip.com.au</a>

Get a digital one, solves the micrometer reading problem if you were
asleep in metalwork classes.

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Tim Moran wrote:

 >
 > I will need to add a micrometer to my shopping list though, thats
 > something I haven't managed to aqquire yet, will also need to learn
 > how to use one.
 >
 >
 > Tim

You can get a digital vernier caliper Tim. For the sizes you are talking of
it will be plenty accurate. Shims usually go in .05mm steps, you won't need
the accuracy of a micrometer for that. Costs less too. You can also use it
for measuring the tread depth of your tyres.
--
Al (who doesnt have a vernier caliper, but mics coming out of his ears)

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