Sargent Seat on Monster 620?

Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my taste. I
trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.

Btw, when is Ducati coming out with a new ST? They are beginning to look
somewhat dated, the instruments in particular.

"Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
  > >
 > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
 >
 > Henry & Kirst
 > UK
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

The steering on the ST2 was quite slow, but as I have it now on the ST4s it
seems very quick (to me). I read about Ducati setting the suspension softer
"for safety" a few years ago, and followed the instructions on tweaking the
front adjusters. That made a world of difference, as I could feel how it
held the line better. (link below for that). The rear suspension I have set
fairly hard on the preload, and it seems very forgiving. I am not so sure of
the set-up for the damping on the rear, but I have been told it is very good
compared to other Dukes. Certainly it is very capable, as over some very
uneven roads recently I was happily maintaining around 80mph and turned to
look to my fellow riders (on 916, ST4, Fireblade) and found them to be quite
some distance behind.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248</a>

Tyres also make quite a difference to the "feel" I have found. I had an
opportunity to try the ST4s with Michelins and then Bridgestone's, both good
tyres so "worn out" was not an excuse. I was swapping the tyres about when I
part ex the ST2 for the ST4s and I have to say I really preferred the BT020.
I have since tried BT010 and that handling is excellent. I shall happily buy
the same again.

As for a new ST? I ( thousands of others no doubt) were hoping for a 998
version this year. I don't know I would spend an extra £1k on ABS
particularly, it is starting to look a bit TOO expensive then. I would buy
another ST4s I think, having just done 2,300 miles in 20 days around France.
Apart from "numb bum", which might be fixed with a Corbin seat, I (and the
bike) were very happy ... if a little hot in the southern reaches! Maybe
next year they will update the bike. Apart from it's slightly less
attractive looks though (trying to be polite here) ... is it really dated?

Henry
UK

"Mazi AI" <aikoku RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b2idnb7S9YkoBa2iXTWJgA@comcast.com...
 > Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my taste. I
 > trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.
 >
 > Btw, when is Ducati coming out with a new ST? They are beginning to look
 > somewhat dated, the instruments in particular.
 >
 > "Henry Wills" <henry RemoveThis @handk.plus.com> wrote in message
 > news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
   > > >
  > > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
  > >
  > > Henry & Kirst
  > > UK
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

FOllowing my own link I see that the page is not available. At least, the
page might be, but there is no content there now.

Here is the saved text as I have it ...

Ducati's "S"express

When Ducati declared it was re-entering the sport-touring segment in 1997
with the ST2 there were plenty of riders who doubted the Italians really
could build a comfortable, reliable bike.

They were wrong: against all the clichés the ST2 worked just fine as a
sports tourer, offering good comfort with excellent handling. It also went
against more preconceptions: it didn't look particularly special, where
Italian bikes are supposed to be gorgeous, but it didn't rust and fall to
pieces either. In fact, the resistance to corrosion of the ST2 and since
then the ST4 has proved to be outstanding - you can use one through the
winter and it'll still come up shiny in the Spring.

The ST4S will cost you £700 more than an ST4 at £8490, but how it's worth
it! The suspension alone justifies the extra. At the front you benefit from
a pair of top quality inverted Showas with full adjustability and
cool-looking, low friction, gold titanium nitride finish on the sliders,
which gives you more grip and a superior ride quality from finer wheel
control.

At the back is a top line Ohlins unit, adjustable for ride height plus the
rest, and you can tell this is the business because those adjusters make a
big, noticeable difference.

This is just as well because as it comes from the factory, and probably your
Ducati dealer too, the suspension set up is biased towards high-speed
stability at the expense of everything else. Ducati is playing safe - the
ST4S is capable of around 160mph (not bad for a sports touring V-twin!), but
unlike a 996 or other supersports bike, is quite likely to be ridden flat
out while loaded with panniers and passenger, maybe in blustery crosswinds
and possibly on a poorly made road. In these days of seven figure product
liability suits, Ducati (which is owned by Americans, who know about these
things...) decided to take no chances and make the ST4S as secure as
possible.

You don't need it like this though as ground clearance is compromised and
the handling awkward. So (make sure you have a Biro handy...)... increase
the front compression damping from eight to 12 clicks off minimum to reduce
dive. Then increase rear ride height by 10mm and the preload by 5mm from
minimum. This sharpens the steering and the ST4S holds tight lines, steer
neutrally and generally eggs you to take on the next sports bike you see.
And this chassis is so good, you might just beat him, too!

The charismatic engine's a lot torquier than the ST4 with big power at the
top. The " S " gets the full power 996 motor whereas the cooking model ST4
makes do with the older, smaller capacity 916 engine, making the " S " the
fastest bike in its class as well as the best handling. Yet you still get
the ST attributes of good comfort and a long tank range - reckon on 180 mile
gaps between refills.

"Henry Wills" <henry.TakeThisOut@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
news:1p4Ya.54497$xd5.3355256@stones.force9.net...
 > The steering on the ST2 was quite slow, but as I have it now on the ST4s
it
 > seems very quick (to me). I read about Ducati setting the suspension
softer
 > "for safety" a few years ago, and followed the instructions on tweaking
the
 > front adjusters. That made a world of difference, as I could feel how it
 > held the line better. (link below for that). The rear suspension I have
set
 > fairly hard on the preload, and it seems very forgiving. I am not so sure
of
 > the set-up for the damping on the rear, but I have been told it is very
good
 > compared to other Dukes. Certainly it is very capable, as over some very
 > uneven roads recently I was happily maintaining around 80mph and turned to
 > look to my fellow riders (on 916, ST4, Fireblade) and found them to be
quite
 > some distance behind.
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248</a>
 >
 > Tyres also make quite a difference to the "feel" I have found. I had an
 > opportunity to try the ST4s with Michelins and then Bridgestone's, both
good
 > tyres so "worn out" was not an excuse. I was swapping the tyres about when
I
 > part ex the ST2 for the ST4s and I have to say I really preferred the
BT020.
 > I have since tried BT010 and that handling is excellent. I shall happily
buy
 > the same again.
 >
 > As for a new ST? I ( thousands of others no doubt) were hoping for a 998
 > version this year. I don't know I would spend an extra £1k on ABS
 > particularly, it is starting to look a bit TOO expensive then. I would buy
 > another ST4s I think, having just done 2,300 miles in 20 days around
France.
 > Apart from "numb bum", which might be fixed with a Corbin seat, I (and the
 > bike) were very happy ... if a little hot in the southern reaches! Maybe
 > next year they will update the bike. Apart from it's slightly less
 > attractive looks though (trying to be polite here) ... is it really dated?
 >
 > Henry
 > UK
 >
 > "Mazi AI" <aikoku.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
 > news:b2idnb7S9YkoBa2iXTWJgA@comcast.com...
  > > Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my taste. I
  > > trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.
  > >
  > > Btw, when is Ducati coming out with a new ST? They are beginning to look
  > > somewhat dated, the instruments in particular.
  > >
  > > "Henry Wills" <henry.TakeThisOut@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
  > > news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
   > > > >
   > > > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
   > > >
   > > > Henry & Kirst
   > > > UK
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

Mazi AI wrote:

 > Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my taste. I
 > trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.

I was about to tell you to lower the front or raise the rear to make the
steering more responsive. But Henry gave an excellent post on the subject
that contains the actual suspension settings. Good for Henry.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

Very interesting. Thank you!

"Henry Wills" <henry.DeleteThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
news:Kl5Ya.52995$9C6.3151898@wards.force9.net...
 > FOllowing my own link I see that the page is not available. At least, the
 > page might be, but there is no content there now.
 >
 > Here is the saved text as I have it ...
 >
 > Ducati's "S"express
 >
 > When Ducati declared it was re-entering the sport-touring segment in 1997
 > with the ST2 there were plenty of riders who doubted the Italians really
 > could build a comfortable, reliable bike.
 >
 > They were wrong: against all the clichés the ST2 worked just fine as a
 > sports tourer, offering good comfort with excellent handling. It also went
 > against more preconceptions: it didn't look particularly special, where
 > Italian bikes are supposed to be gorgeous, but it didn't rust and fall to
 > pieces either. In fact, the resistance to corrosion of the ST2 and since
 > then the ST4 has proved to be outstanding - you can use one through the
 > winter and it'll still come up shiny in the Spring.
 >
 > The ST4S will cost you £700 more than an ST4 at £8490, but how it's worth
 > it! The suspension alone justifies the extra. At the front you benefit
from
 > a pair of top quality inverted Showas with full adjustability and
 > cool-looking, low friction, gold titanium nitride finish on the sliders,
 > which gives you more grip and a superior ride quality from finer wheel
 > control.
 >
 > At the back is a top line Ohlins unit, adjustable for ride height plus the
 > rest, and you can tell this is the business because those adjusters make a
 > big, noticeable difference.
 >
 > This is just as well because as it comes from the factory, and probably
your
 > Ducati dealer too, the suspension set up is biased towards high-speed
 > stability at the expense of everything else. Ducati is playing safe - the
 > ST4S is capable of around 160mph (not bad for a sports touring V-twin!),
but
 > unlike a 996 or other supersports bike, is quite likely to be ridden flat
 > out while loaded with panniers and passenger, maybe in blustery crosswinds
 > and possibly on a poorly made road. In these days of seven figure product
 > liability suits, Ducati (which is owned by Americans, who know about these
 > things...) decided to take no chances and make the ST4S as secure as
 > possible.
 >
 > You don't need it like this though as ground clearance is compromised and
 > the handling awkward. So (make sure you have a Biro handy...)... increase
 > the front compression damping from eight to 12 clicks off minimum to
reduce
 > dive. Then increase rear ride height by 10mm and the preload by 5mm from
 > minimum. This sharpens the steering and the ST4S holds tight lines, steer
 > neutrally and generally eggs you to take on the next sports bike you see.
 > And this chassis is so good, you might just beat him, too!
 >
 > The charismatic engine's a lot torquier than the ST4 with big power at the
 > top. The " S " gets the full power 996 motor whereas the cooking model ST4
 > makes do with the older, smaller capacity 916 engine, making the " S " the
 > fastest bike in its class as well as the best handling. Yet you still get
 > the ST attributes of good comfort and a long tank range - reckon on 180
mile
 > gaps between refills.
 >
 > "Henry Wills" <henry.DeleteThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
 > news:1p4Ya.54497$xd5.3355256@stones.force9.net...
  > > The steering on the ST2 was quite slow, but as I have it now on the ST4s
 > it
  > > seems very quick (to me). I read about Ducati setting the suspension
 > softer
  > > "for safety" a few years ago, and followed the instructions on tweaking
 > the
  > > front adjusters. That made a world of difference, as I could feel how it
  > > held the line better. (link below for that). The rear suspension I have
 > set
  > > fairly hard on the preload, and it seems very forgiving. I am not so
sure
 > of
  > > the set-up for the damping on the rear, but I have been told it is very
 > good
  > > compared to other Dukes. Certainly it is very capable, as over some very
  > > uneven roads recently I was happily maintaining around 80mph and turned
to
  > > look to my fellow riders (on 916, ST4, Fireblade) and found them to be
 > quite
  > > some distance behind.
  > >
  > >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248</a>
  > >
  > > Tyres also make quite a difference to the "feel" I have found. I had an
  > > opportunity to try the ST4s with Michelins and then Bridgestone's, both
 > good
  > > tyres so "worn out" was not an excuse. I was swapping the tyres about
when
 > I
  > > part ex the ST2 for the ST4s and I have to say I really preferred the
 > BT020.
  > > I have since tried BT010 and that handling is excellent. I shall happily
 > buy
  > > the same again.
  > >
  > > As for a new ST? I ( thousands of others no doubt) were hoping for a 998
  > > version this year. I don't know I would spend an extra £1k on ABS
  > > particularly, it is starting to look a bit TOO expensive then. I would
buy
  > > another ST4s I think, having just done 2,300 miles in 20 days around
 > France.
  > > Apart from "numb bum", which might be fixed with a Corbin seat, I (and
the
  > > bike) were very happy ... if a little hot in the southern reaches! Maybe
  > > next year they will update the bike. Apart from it's slightly less
  > > attractive looks though (trying to be polite here) ... is it really
dated?
  > >
  > > Henry
  > > UK
  > >
  > > "Mazi AI" <aikoku.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
  > > news:b2idnb7S9YkoBa2iXTWJgA@comcast.com...
   > > > Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my taste.
I
   > > > trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.
   > > >
   > > > Btw, when is Ducati coming out with a new ST? They are beginning to
look
   > > > somewhat dated, the instruments in particular.
   > > >
   > > > "Henry Wills" <henry.DeleteThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
   > > > news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
   > > > > >
   > > > > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
   > > > >
   > > > > Henry & Kirst
   > > > > UK
   > > > >
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

You're welcome

"Mazi AI" <aikoku.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tEednZRRmZxfaqyiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
 > Very interesting. Thank you!
 >
 > "Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
 > news:Kl5Ya.52995$9C6.3151898@wards.force9.net...
  > > FOllowing my own link I see that the page is not available. At least,
the
  > > page might be, but there is no content there now.
  > >
  > > Here is the saved text as I have it ...
  > >
  > > Ducati's "S"express
  > >
  > > When Ducati declared it was re-entering the sport-touring segment in
1997
  > > with the ST2 there were plenty of riders who doubted the Italians really
  > > could build a comfortable, reliable bike.
  > >
  > > They were wrong: against all the clichés the ST2 worked just fine as a
  > > sports tourer, offering good comfort with excellent handling. It also
went
  > > against more preconceptions: it didn't look particularly special, where
  > > Italian bikes are supposed to be gorgeous, but it didn't rust and fall
to
  > > pieces either. In fact, the resistance to corrosion of the ST2 and since
  > > then the ST4 has proved to be outstanding - you can use one through the
  > > winter and it'll still come up shiny in the Spring.
  > >
  > > The ST4S will cost you £700 more than an ST4 at £8490, but how it's
worth
  > > it! The suspension alone justifies the extra. At the front you benefit
 > from
  > > a pair of top quality inverted Showas with full adjustability and
  > > cool-looking, low friction, gold titanium nitride finish on the sliders,
  > > which gives you more grip and a superior ride quality from finer wheel
  > > control.
  > >
  > > At the back is a top line Ohlins unit, adjustable for ride height plus
the
  > > rest, and you can tell this is the business because those adjusters make
a
  > > big, noticeable difference.
  > >
  > > This is just as well because as it comes from the factory, and probably
 > your
  > > Ducati dealer too, the suspension set up is biased towards high-speed
  > > stability at the expense of everything else. Ducati is playing safe -
the
  > > ST4S is capable of around 160mph (not bad for a sports touring V-twin!),
 > but
  > > unlike a 996 or other supersports bike, is quite likely to be ridden
flat
  > > out while loaded with panniers and passenger, maybe in blustery
crosswinds
  > > and possibly on a poorly made road. In these days of seven figure
product
  > > liability suits, Ducati (which is owned by Americans, who know about
these
  > > things...) decided to take no chances and make the ST4S as secure as
  > > possible.
  > >
  > > You don't need it like this though as ground clearance is compromised
and
  > > the handling awkward. So (make sure you have a Biro handy...)...
increase
  > > the front compression damping from eight to 12 clicks off minimum to
 > reduce
  > > dive. Then increase rear ride height by 10mm and the preload by 5mm from
  > > minimum. This sharpens the steering and the ST4S holds tight lines,
steer
  > > neutrally and generally eggs you to take on the next sports bike you
see.
  > > And this chassis is so good, you might just beat him, too!
  > >
  > > The charismatic engine's a lot torquier than the ST4 with big power at
the
  > > top. The " S " gets the full power 996 motor whereas the cooking model
ST4
  > > makes do with the older, smaller capacity 916 engine, making the " S "
the
  > > fastest bike in its class as well as the best handling. Yet you still
get
  > > the ST attributes of good comfort and a long tank range - reckon on 180
 > mile
  > > gaps between refills.
  > >
  > > "Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
  > > news:1p4Ya.54497$xd5.3355256@stones.force9.net...
   > > > The steering on the ST2 was quite slow, but as I have it now on the
ST4s
  > > it
   > > > seems very quick (to me). I read about Ducati setting the suspension
  > > softer
   > > > "for safety" a few years ago, and followed the instructions on
tweaking
  > > the
   > > > front adjusters. That made a world of difference, as I could feel how
it
   > > > held the line better. (link below for that). The rear suspension I
have
  > > set
   > > > fairly hard on the preload, and it seems very forgiving. I am not so
 > sure
  > > of
   > > > the set-up for the damping on the rear, but I have been told it is
very
  > > good
   > > > compared to other Dukes. Certainly it is very capable, as over some
very
   > > > uneven roads recently I was happily maintaining around 80mph and
turned
 > to
   > > > look to my fellow riders (on 916, ST4, Fireblade) and found them to be
  > > quite
   > > > some distance behind.
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248" target="_blank">http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes/detail?sectionID=52475&documentID=59248</a>
   > > >
   > > > Tyres also make quite a difference to the "feel" I have found. I had
an
   > > > opportunity to try the ST4s with Michelins and then Bridgestone's,
both
  > > good
   > > > tyres so "worn out" was not an excuse. I was swapping the tyres about
 > when
  > > I
   > > > part ex the ST2 for the ST4s and I have to say I really preferred the
  > > BT020.
   > > > I have since tried BT010 and that handling is excellent. I shall
happily
  > > buy
   > > > the same again.
   > > >
   > > > As for a new ST? I ( thousands of others no doubt) were hoping for a
998
   > > > version this year. I don't know I would spend an extra £1k on ABS
   > > > particularly, it is starting to look a bit TOO expensive then. I would
 > buy
   > > > another ST4s I think, having just done 2,300 miles in 20 days around
  > > France.
   > > > Apart from "numb bum", which might be fixed with a Corbin seat, I (and
 > the
   > > > bike) were very happy ... if a little hot in the southern reaches!
Maybe
   > > > next year they will update the bike. Apart from it's slightly less
   > > > attractive looks though (trying to be polite here) ... is it really
 > dated?
   > > >
   > > > Henry
   > > > UK
   > > >
   > > > "Mazi AI" <aikoku.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
   > > > news:b2idnb7S9YkoBa2iXTWJgA@comcast.com...
   > > > > Indeed it is, even though the steering was a little slow for my
taste.
 > I
   > > > > trust this could be taken care of with some suspension tweaks.
   > > > >
   > > > > Btw, when is Ducati coming out with a new ST? They are beginning to
 > look
   > > > > somewhat dated, the instruments in particular.
   > > > >
   > > > > "Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
   > > > > news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
   > > > > > >
   > > > > > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Henry & Kirst
   > > > > > UK
   > > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Sargent Seat on Monster 620? 

Raising the rear ride height will not change the seat to footpeg distance.

Mike

"Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
 > Just as a matter of interest, the difference between the 620 Monster and
the
 > ST4s is mainly the "independent ride height adjuster" on the rear
 > suspension. They share the same frame now, whereas before only the S4
 > monster used the ST frame. (think I am correct on this). I have an '01
model
 > ST4s (used to have ST2) and my missus now has an M620Si.e, and the S model
 > monsters also have that adjuster. She needed that (badly) because of
being,
 > errrm, "not particularly tall". OK, she's short - at 5'3", whatever that
is
 > in metric. I am not suggesting that the M620 would be as tall as the ST
with
 > the adjuster set high, but it might be close enough. Might make the
Monster
 > look a little odd, but would possibly improve handling? Not going to go
and
 > try it I'm afraid as it's a fiddly job to adjust it.
 >
 > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
 >
 > Henry & Kirst
 > UK
 >
 >
 > "Mazi AI" <aikoku.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
 > news:k1Cdncei5MvtzLKiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
  > > By how much would a Sargent seat raise the ride height on a Monster 620
 > ie?
  > > My legs could really use more room, so much so that I experienced cramps
  > > upon returning to my M620 after test-riding an ST4s and M1000DS for a
 > couple
  > > of hours (I am considering them as potential upgrades). I felt much
more
  > > comfortable on the higher seats of these bikes.
  > >
  > > Also, what is your experience with the different materials offered by
  > > Sargent--griptex, carbonfx, leather?
  > >
  > > Thanks!
  > >
  > > AI
  > >
  > >
 >
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Really? how come then that setting the ride height adjuster to lowest allows
my wife to get the balls of her feet down, and when I get on and put my feet
on the pegs I feel like I have my knees up under my chin?

Henry


"Mike" <s.notallowed.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:wGj_a.132246$Ho3.16719@sccrnsc03...
 > Raising the rear ride height will not change the seat to footpeg distance.
 >
 > Mike
 >
 > "Henry Wills" <henry.RemoveThis@handk.plus.com> wrote in message
 > news:n1KXa.54242$xd5.3324107@stones.force9.net...
  > > Just as a matter of interest, the difference between the 620 Monster and
 > the
  > > ST4s is mainly the "independent ride height adjuster" on the rear
  > > suspension. They share the same frame now, whereas before only the S4
  > > monster used the ST frame. (think I am correct on this). I have an '01
 > model
  > > ST4s (used to have ST2) and my missus now has an M620Si.e, and the S
model
  > > monsters also have that adjuster. She needed that (badly) because of
 > being,
  > > errrm, "not particularly tall". OK, she's short - at 5'3", whatever that
 > is
  > > in metric. I am not suggesting that the M620 would be as tall as the ST
 > with
  > > the adjuster set high, but it might be close enough. Might make the
 > Monster
  > > look a little odd, but would possibly improve handling? Not going to go
 > and
  > > try it I'm afraid as it's a fiddly job to adjust it.
  > >
  > > Incidentally, the ST4s is an awesome machine.
  > >
  > > Henry & Kirst
  > > UK
  > >
  > >
  > > "Mazi AI" <aikoku.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
  > > news:k1Cdncei5MvtzLKiXTWJjw@comcast.com...
   > > > By how much would a Sargent seat raise the ride height on a Monster
620
  > > ie?
   > > > My legs could really use more room, so much so that I experienced
cramps
   > > > upon returning to my M620 after test-riding an ST4s and M1000DS for a
  > > couple
   > > > of hours (I am considering them as potential upgrades). I felt much
 > more
   > > > comfortable on the higher seats of these bikes.
   > > >
   > > > Also, what is your experience with the different materials offered by
   > > > Sargent--griptex, carbonfx, leather?
   > > >
   > > > Thanks!
   > > >
   > > > AI
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > >
 >
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Dear Al:

Check out ducatimonster.org or, if I have the address wrong, do a
search for the DML list or the Ducati Monster List. Sign on , they are
a great bunch of guys, and post your question in the accessories and
mods section. You will be stunned by the response, immediate, and
accurate. All of my mods were commented upon by the "board" and
because of this, I was able to get exactly what I wanted.

If you are USA, there are geographic seperations to the country so you
can find people to ride with.

Have fun!

Tom Tricep
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:40:46 -0700, "Mazi AI" <aikoku DeleteThis @comcast.net>
wrote:

 >By how much would a Sargent seat raise the ride height on a Monster 620 ie?
Specifically, the Sargent seat would lower the seat position due to
the flatter seat material. If you want a higher seat, talk to the
sargent people. They are quite accomodating. The 620 has the lowest
seat height of any monster. Sorry!
 >
 >Also, what is your experience with the different materials offered by
 >Sargent--griptex, carbonfx, leather?

I have the carbon seat pattern, and It is quite nice. Grippy yet I can
slide to hang.
Good luck!

Tom Tricep
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:40:46 -0700, "Mazi AI" <aikoku.RemoveThis@comcast.net>
wrote:

 >By how much would a Sargent seat raise the ride height on a Monster 620 ie?
Specifically, the Sargent seat would lower the seat position due to
the flatter seat material. If you want a higher seat, talk to the
sargent people. They are quite accomodating. The 620 has the lowest
seat height of any monster. Sorry!
 >
 >Also, what is your experience with the different materials offered by
 >Sargent--griptex, carbonfx, leather?

I have the carbon seat pattern, and It is quite nice. Grippy yet I can
slide to hang.
Good luck!

Tom Tricep
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