SORN petition

"Austin Shackles" <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS RemoveThis @ddol-las.net> wrote in
message news:nojhp31rritlnlv67oiap5575o26ki3gme@4ax.com...
> sign it!
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SORN-rules/
> --

Good call...

I'm sinking under a sea of SORNs - petition signed.

--
Iain
Esprit Turbo, Elise, VF1000F-II Bol d'Or, FZR1000 Genesis, Ducati 851,
GPz750 Unitrack, RD125LC
http://www.ilearntoplay.com
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:05:46 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp DeleteThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:27:33 +0000, Pip Luscher wrote:
>
>> In the case of SORN, not even once because as I've already explained,
>> failing to tax a vehicle must by default be taking it off-road, though
>
>Ah, but you may forget to tax it and leave it on the road.

Well, that's what a tax reminder is for.

>> After all, you wouldn't expect to have to advise the DVLA that your
>> 'bike is still sold' yearly, would you?
>
>Don't you dare suggest that to them !

Heh. Oops.

--
-Pip
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:07:27 +0000, Lozzo wrote:

> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
>> FFS, getting fined for not doing something is ridiculous.
>
> Tell me about it, I have a notice here that tells me I owe the cunts 80
<snip>
So, you bought the bike, didn't mot it, didn't insure it and told them
about it. How do they know you are not using it ?

Why are so many moaning about such a trivial thing ?

--
XJR1300SP, XJ900F, GS550, GSX250, 750SS
POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8
*(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)*
"The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly"
http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On or around Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:40:30 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp.DeleteThis@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:07:27 +0000, Lozzo wrote:
>
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>
>>> FFS, getting fined for not doing something is ridiculous.
>>
>> Tell me about it, I have a notice here that tells me I owe the cunts 80
><snip>
>So, you bought the bike, didn't mot it, didn't insure it and told them
>about it. How do they know you are not using it ?
>
>Why are so many moaning about such a trivial thing ?

being stung 80 quid is hardly trivial. I'm not aware that it says on the V5
that if the vehicle is SORN then you have to re-declare it on change of
keeper - it might do, but if so I've not noticed.

There's also the point that if it was SORN he could still be using it
illegally. SORN doesn't stop illegal vehicle use, and since plod can easily
access insurance/mot data they can soon check if a machine on the road is,
or isn't, legal.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

Austin Shackles wrote:
|| On or around Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:40:30 GMT, YTC#1
|| <bdp.TakeThisOut@ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
||
||| On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:07:27 +0000, Lozzo wrote:
|||
|||| Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
||||
||||| FFS, getting fined for not doing something is ridiculous.
||||
|||| Tell me about it, I have a notice here that tells me I owe the
|||| cunts 80
||| <snip>
||| So, you bought the bike, didn't mot it, didn't insure it and told
||| them about it. How do they know you are not using it ?
|||
||| Why are so many moaning about such a trivial thing ?
||
|| being stung 80 quid is hardly trivial. I'm not aware that it says
|| on the V5 that if the vehicle is SORN then you have to re-declare it
|| on change of keeper - it might do, but if so I've not noticed.
||
|| There's also the point that if it was SORN he could still be using it
|| illegally. SORN doesn't stop illegal vehicle use, and since plod
|| can easily access insurance/mot data they can soon check if a
|| machine on the road is, or isn't, legal.
|| --
|| Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
|| Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
|| ------------------------------------------------\
|| >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
|| a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

Apparently, it is the owner that is SORN'd, not the vehicle. i.e. the owner
is declaring that he/she wont use the vehicle on the road, not relying on
the vehicle itself to get on the road all by itself. IYSWIM.

Change of owner = New SORN declaration

Still uckin stoopid

--
===========================
Martyn K
FJ1200
FZS600
GSXF400 Kat


http://www.czd.org.uk
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:50:39 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:40:30 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:07:27 +0000, Lozzo wrote:
>>
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>
>>>> FFS, getting fined for not doing something is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Tell me about it, I have a notice here that tells me I owe the cunts 80
>><snip>
>>So, you bought the bike, didn't mot it, didn't insure it and told them
>>about it. How do they know you are not using it ?
>>
>>Why are so many moaning about such a trivial thing ?
>
> being stung 80 quid is hardly trivial. I'm not aware that it says on the V5

I did not mean the 80ukp was trivial, just the moaning that people do
because they are incapable of using their heads

> that if the vehicle is SORN then you have to re-declare it on change of
> keeper - it might do, but if so I've not noticed.

When you get a new vehicle, that is untaxed, you normally go and tax it.
If you are not going to use it, you SORN it. Not hard is it ? The SORN is
for a vehicle kept at a location by a person. A new person/location = a
new SORN. I have a bike, GSX250, kept 20 miles away, I have no problem
reSORNing it each year.

>
> There's also the point that if it was SORN he could still be using it
> illegally. SORN doesn't stop illegal vehicle use, and since plod can
> easily access insurance/mot data they can soon check if a machine on the
> road is, or isn't, legal.

I conceed it is an utter waste of time, and totally a game of paper
shifting. However, for the few seconds it takes to reSORN it is a
nobrainer.

--
XJR1300SP, XJ900F, GS550, GSX250, 750SS
POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8
*(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)*
"The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly"
http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On or around Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:18:41 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>When you get a new vehicle, that is untaxed, you normally go and tax it.
>If you are not going to use it, you SORN it. Not hard is it ? The SORN is
>for a vehicle kept at a location by a person. A new person/location = a
>new SORN. I have a bike, GSX250, kept 20 miles away, I have no problem
>reSORNing it each year.

Yebbut, if you buy one *with* tax, you say "good, it's got tax on it", and I
for one didn't know that the SORN needed re-applying if you buy a SORNed
one. I do now - the general perception though is that SORN is "instead of
tax" and this is reinforced by the DVLA's own reminders which say "you must
now either tax it or declare SORN" when it's due to expire.

So unless you've done it before and found out, there's nothing to tell the
average punter that if they buy a SORNed vehicle that it doesn't transfer to
the new keeper the same as a tax disc would.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:50:22 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:18:41 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp DeleteThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>When you get a new vehicle, that is untaxed, you normally go and tax it.
>>If you are not going to use it, you SORN it. Not hard is it ? The SORN is
>>for a vehicle kept at a location by a person. A new person/location = a
>>new SORN. I have a bike, GSX250, kept 20 miles away, I have no problem
>>reSORNing it each year.
>
> Yebbut, if you buy one *with* tax, you say "good, it's got tax on it", and I

And then when it runs out, you get a reminder, if you sent thye docs off,
or a fine if you didn't
> for one didn't know that the SORN needed
re-applying if you buy a SORNed
> one. I do now - the general perception though is that SORN is "instead
> of tax" and this is reinforced by the DVLA's own reminders which say
> "you must now either tax it or declare SORN" when it's due to expire.
>
> So unless you've done it before and found out, there's nothing to tell
> the average punter that if they buy a SORNed vehicle that it doesn't
> transfer to the new keeper the same as a tax disc would.

The tax disc belongs to the vehicle, not the keeper.

--
XJR1300SP, XJ900F, GS550, GSX250, 750SS
POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8
*(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)*
"The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly"
http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On or around Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:39:27 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:50:22 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:18:41 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>When you get a new vehicle, that is untaxed, you normally go and tax it.
>>>If you are not going to use it, you SORN it. Not hard is it ? The SORN is
>>>for a vehicle kept at a location by a person. A new person/location = a
>>>new SORN. I have a bike, GSX250, kept 20 miles away, I have no problem
>>>reSORNing it each year.
>>
>> Yebbut, if you buy one *with* tax, you say "good, it's got tax on it", and I
>
>And then when it runs out, you get a reminder, if you sent thye docs off,
>or a fine if you didn't

quite so, but until it runs out you don't have to a damn thing.

>> for one didn't know that the SORN needed
>re-applying if you buy a SORNed
>> one. I do now - the general perception though is that SORN is "instead
>> of tax" and this is reinforced by the DVLA's own reminders which say
>> "you must now either tax it or declare SORN" when it's due to expire.
>>
>> So unless you've done it before and found out, there's nothing to tell
>> the average punter that if they buy a SORNed vehicle that it doesn't
>> transfer to the new keeper the same as a tax disc would.
>
>The tax disc belongs to the vehicle, not the keeper.

and it's not immediately obvious that the SORN doesn't. It doesn't say
anything about SORN on the V5 in the notes about transferring it - not even
in the bit about continuous registration. In fact, it's damned silly (which
is no surprise) that the SORN doesn't stick to the vehicle, seeing as it's
the vehicle that has to be insured, taxed and MOT'd for use on the road, not
the keeper.

Of course, they could solve it by issuing a SORN disc in place of the tax
disc, then it would all be simple and plain and you'd know (by looking at
the disc) when it was due to expire - also the disc could stay with the
vehicle when it was transferred... But that'd mean that they'd lose out on
the chance to fine you for not doing something which it's not apparent that
you should need to do.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:23:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS.TakeThisOut@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>Of course, they could solve it by issuing a SORN disc in place of the tax
>disc, then it would all be simple and plain and you'd know (by looking at
>the disc) when it was due to expire - also the disc could stay with the
>vehicle when it was transferred... But that'd mean that they'd lose out on
>the chance to fine you for not doing something which it's not apparent that
>you should need to do.

"Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by
incompetence"

--
-Pip
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:23:30 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:39:27 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:50:22 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>> On or around Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:18:41 GMT, YTC#1 <bdp RemoveThis @ytc1NOARGYBEEF.co.uk>
>>> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>>When you get a new vehicle, that is untaxed, you normally go and tax it.
>>>>If you are not going to use it, you SORN it. Not hard is it ? The SORN is
>>>>for a vehicle kept at a location by a person. A new person/location = a
>>>>new SORN. I have a bike, GSX250, kept 20 miles away, I have no problem
>>>>reSORNing it each year.
>>>
>>> Yebbut, if you buy one *with* tax, you say "good, it's got tax on it", and I
>>
>>And then when it runs out, you get a reminder, if you sent thye docs off,
>>or a fine if you didn't
>
> quite so, but until it runs out you don't have to a damn thing.
>
>>> for one didn't know that the SORN needed
>>re-applying if you buy a SORNed
>>> one. I do now - the general perception though is that SORN is "instead
>>> of tax" and this is reinforced by the DVLA's own reminders which say
>>> "you must now either tax it or declare SORN" when it's due to expire.
>>>
>>> So unless you've done it before and found out, there's nothing to tell
>>> the average punter that if they buy a SORNed vehicle that it doesn't
>>> transfer to the new keeper the same as a tax disc would.
>>
>>The tax disc belongs to the vehicle, not the keeper.
>
> and it's not immediately obvious that the SORN doesn't. It doesn't say
> anything about SORN on the V5 in the notes about transferring it - not even
> in the bit about continuous registration. In fact, it's damned silly (which
> is no surprise) that the SORN doesn't stick to the vehicle, seeing as it's
> the vehicle that has to be insured, taxed and MOT'd for use on the road, not
> the keeper.
>
> Of course, they could solve it by issuing a SORN disc in place of the tax
> disc, then it would all be simple and plain and you'd know (by looking at
> the disc) when it was due to expire - also the disc could stay with the
> vehicle when it was transferred... But that'd mean that they'd lose out on
> the chance to fine you for not doing something which it's not apparent that
> you should need to do.

You are a bitter man

--
XJR1300SP, XJ900F, GS550, GSX250, 750SS
POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8
*(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)*
"The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly"
http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

Pip Luscher wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:23:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS.DeleteThis@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>> Of course, they could solve it by issuing a SORN disc in place of
>> the tax disc, then it would all be simple and plain and you'd know
>> (by looking at the disc) when it was due to expire - also the disc
>> could stay with the vehicle when it was transferred... But that'd
>> mean that they'd lose out on the chance to fine you for not doing
>> something which it's not apparent that you should need to do.
>
> "Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by
> incompetence"

YM 'adequately'
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition 

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:20:22 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Pip Luscher wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:23:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
>> <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS DeleteThis @ddol-las.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, they could solve it by issuing a SORN disc in place of
>>> the tax disc, then it would all be simple and plain and you'd know
>>> (by looking at the disc) when it was due to expire - also the disc
>>> could stay with the vehicle when it was transferred... But that'd
>>> mean that they'd lose out on the chance to fine you for not doing
>>> something which it's not apparent that you should need to do.
>>
>> "Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by
>> incompetence"
>
>YM 'adequately'

IPD

--
-Pip
 >> Stay informed about: SORN petition